Fallout New Vegas: The Post-Benny Syndrome

[The Wykydtron]

My current playthrough somehow ended up with me having sexy times with Benny, I ended up deciding that this particular character loved him and ended up challenging him to machetes at dawn while planning revenge against Caesar for making me kill him...

This actually changed who i was gonna side with, originally Caesar's Legion but now i'm siding with Yes Man to create an Independant Vegas in honour of Benny

Tis' an awesome game to roleplay in for sure.

 

[silver wolf009]

I never got the motivation to go after Betty. Were it me I'd get back up and say, "Holy shit, God has proven himself to exist, and now I want to get far, far away from here." After I killed Betty I just lost interest. That is to say the last spark of interest went out. If I personally was my character I'd look around, say, "This place is going to shit soon, so I'm outta here." and head south. I managed to get to the president part, playing for myself, but I just couldn't bring myself to finish the game. I deleted my save and put it away. I tried to play it again a few days ago. I can't get out of Goodsprings. I can't force myself to do it.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I wasn't bored after I killed Benny. Maybe it's just you.

Not really.
Benny goes down, I get that awesome 9 mm pistol he got, and now I start actually doing something that effects the world.
Whatever you are describing I don't understand it.

first two posts i agree with and they disagree with you..

problem?

honestly i found benny to be the boring part, i only cuaght up to him so i could go wreak havoc in the name of the NCR and destroy all legion/powder ganger/great khan's

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.

Yeah, they saved the franchise. You're welcome.

You're kidding right?
The NCR are not the good guys, The BoS in Fallout 3 are good guys.
The NCR are decent, and that makes them the "good guys", since they oppose the Legion. You know, the guys that enslave women, force children into servitude, support cannibalism and shun technology? Obsidian made Fallout awesome, because there is no straight up, "these guys are the good guys, these are the bad guys" There is light gray to black in terms of good.

I know Fallout lore, and believe me when I say that one could certainly argue as to why Caesar's Legion is better than the NCR.

 

[Vault101]

well after Benny the following events didnt feel as personal, big as they were

however it was a nice twist in that you realise the legion is thhe real threat. not benny, he was just an Idiot

 

[ChupathingyX]

Still I think Obsidian cocked it up. It is easy for me to see when something is aimed at an American audience. I put The Witcher as an example because it was made by a Polish developer team, and they even avoided using the Soviet Union as inspiration despite Poland's position as a former Soviet satellite state. That is how you appeal to an international audience. Many American developers are far more nationally oriented.
It is the focus on the American audience that made the New Vegas dark world seem silly and boring to me.

I'm Australian and I loved New Vegas' story, I sense a hole in your arguement.

 

[Vault101]

NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.

Yeah, they saved the franchise. You're welcome.

You're kidding right?
The NCR are not the good guys, The BoS in Fallout 3 are good guys.
The NCR are decent, and that makes them the "good guys", since they oppose the Legion. You know, the guys that enslave women, force children into servitude, support cannibalism and shun technology? Obsidian made Fallout awesome, because there is no straight up, "these guys are the good guys, these are the bad guys" There is light gray to black in terms of good.

I know Fallout lore, and believe me when I say that one could certainly argue as to why Caesar's Legion is better than the NCR.

regardless of weather or not you liked FO3 you have to admit Bethedesa pulled the franshice out of the ground...THEN obsidian aparently gave the fans the Fallout they always wanted

as for ceisars legion....*sigh* I know its just fiction but does 50% of the population just not matter? I mean I know they do have good points...but THAT is a serious issue

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

regardless of weather or not you liked FO3 you have to admit Bethedesa pulled the franshice out of the ground...THEN obsidian aparently gave the fans the Fallout they always wanted

as for ceisars legion....*sigh* I know its just fiction but does 50% of the population just not matter? I mean I know they do have good points...but THAT is a serious issue

If not Bethesda, another company would have done it (As it was up for auction back in 2004/2005 I think).

As regards to CL, they frankly need women for breeding purposes only to ensure the survival of the Legion. Maybe it will change once they've eradicated the NCR and become a true empire.

 

[DustStorm]

Yeah I kinda agree with you there. The game loses its raison d'etre as it were.

I don't think I was bored as such afterwards, but it lost a lot of urgency that's for sure.

Ditto, after you kill Benny the rest of the story isn't connected to the player character in any personal way. Although, I think Benny was just supposed to draw the player into the story's greater consequences, namely deciding the fat of the Wasteland.

 

[Vault101]

I thought Fallout New Vegas had an unfulfilling plot, where the mood of action and consequence was like a bad rip off The Witcher, where everything goes to hell whatever you do. As opposed to The Witcher, in New Vegas' cynical world you can smell the American views of the world (which is a short-sighted and faulty view of the world and humanity). One clear example is the NCR, supposedly 'good guys' only because they wish to restore a pre-apocalypse American society.

NV does not get boring after you kill Benny, it gets boring and downright insulting after you realize what Obsidian did to Fallout.

Dude, Fallout's been doing that since before the Witcher was even around. Have played the first two games? Just because 3 was much more black and white, doesn't mean it's that way for the other games.

Still I think Obsidian cocked it up. It is easy for me to see when something is aimed at an American audience. I put The Witcher as an example because it was made by a Polish developer team, and they even avoided using the Soviet Union as inspiration despite Poland's position as a former Soviet satellite state. That is how you appeal to an international audience. Many American developers are far more nationally oriented.
It is the focus on the American audience that made the New Vegas dark world seem silly and boring to me.

I think your kind of missing the point of the morallity in NV....yes to simplify thing NCR is good Legion is bad

HOWEVER anyone can see that theres more to it than that, neither sides are suposed to be perfect..THATS the point, YOU choose whats right and wrong and no matter how good your intentions you will screw somone over, the thing is I think it fits the world nicley and a refreshing change from most morality systms where theres really no reason to be "evil" other than for the sole reason of being evil (and half the time being evil doesnt make much sense)

BUT keep in mind that if you play your cards right you can get a half decent ending for most peopel involved..its still a little bitter sweet...but still sweeter

also...dude you DO realise that the "american"-ness is kind of Fallouts "thing"

Im Australian I totally got into it..hell the world of fallout hardly resembles america anymore anyway (plus the countless references to Mad Max...an Australian thing)

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

Yeah I kinda agree with you there. The game loses its raison d'etre as it were.

I don't think I was bored as such afterwards, but it lost a lot of urgency that's for sure.

Ditto, after you kill Benny the rest of the story isn't connected to the player character in any personal way. Although, I think Benny was just supposed to draw the player into the story's greater consequences, namely deciding the fat of the Wasteland.

What, a Fallout game that actually presents you with options? The nerve, the nerve!!!

 

[mirror's edgy]

well after Benny the following events didnt feel as personal, big as they were

however it was a nice twist in that you realise the legion is thhe real threat. not benny, he was just an Idiot

I think that Benny's little plan was just a way to give the player a simple goal that would lead to getting involved in the overarching power struggle and give them some perspective on what the various factions want. However, the Courier's personal story about delivering the Platinum Chip was never fully resolved, and I am eagerly anticipating Lonesome Road to do so.

 

[Vault101]

regardless of weather or not you liked FO3 you have to admit Bethedesa pulled the franshice out of the ground...THEN obsidian aparently gave the fans the Fallout they always wanted

as for ceisars legion....*sigh* I know its just fiction but does 50% of the population just not matter? I mean I know they do have good points...but THAT is a serious issue

If not Bethesda, another company would have done it (As it was up for auction back in 2004/2005 I think).

As regards to CL, they frankly need women for breeding purposes only to ensure the survival of the Legion. Maybe it will change once they've eradicated the NCR and become a true empire.

I doubt it....whoever would take over leadership from caisar wouldnt have such progressive veiws (especially lanius...I fel sorry for his wife)

I actually wish they didnt include that part...have the women as brutal as the men, it would have made things a little less black and white

 

[Echo136]

I never gave a crap about the main story from the beginning anyways. To me it was all about exploring and finding new places, and doing sidequests. And to be honest compared to Fallout 3, NV failed at that. Not enough actual freedom. Im boxed into a canyon.

Anyways, no I ever felt a "why bother" feeling after Benny, because that was usually the last thing I did anyways. I never chose a side till the end of the game, because otherwise it would be a ***** fighting the NCR and not being able to do some of their quests.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

regardless of weather or not you liked FO3 you have to admit Bethedesa pulled the franshice out of the ground...THEN obsidian aparently gave the fans the Fallout they always wanted

as for ceisars legion....*sigh* I know its just fiction but does 50% of the population just not matter? I mean I know they do have good points...but THAT is a serious issue

If not Bethesda, another company would have done it (As it was up for auction back in 2004/2005 I think).

As regards to CL, they frankly need women for breeding purposes only to ensure the survival of the Legion. Maybe it will change once they've eradicated the NCR and become a true empire.

I doubt it....whoever would take over leadership from caisar wouldnt have such progressive veiws (especially lanius...I fel sorry for his wife)

I actually wish they didnt include that part...have the women as brutal as the men, it would have made things a little less black and white

Well, it's lore. If everything goes according to plan (The complete destruction of the NCR), the Legion will go through a great transition. What exactly would change? Nobody knows, except for that it becomes a steady and truly shining empire in the wastelands.

As for females, it's not really realistic. As said, they need women for breeding purposes only while some are selected to be priestesses who raise the children.

 

[Vault101]

well after Benny the following events didnt feel as personal, big as they were

however it was a nice twist in that you realise the legion is thhe real threat. not benny, he was just an Idiot

I think that Benny's little plan was just a way to give the player a simple goal that would lead to getting involved in the overarching power struggle and give them some perspective on what the various factions want. However, the Courier's personal story about delivering the Platinum Chip was never fully resolved, and I am eagerly anticipating Lonesome Road to do so.

well said, and yes I agree

a "back story" was somthing I felt was missing, and by that do you mean the events as to why the courier was chosen? and who this Ulysses guy is? and the connection there?

I may have to get the PS3 version of the game so I can acess DLC...though the Idea of replaying is very daunting

I always had this cool theory that the courer was hand picked by mr house because he/she was the lone wanderer from FO3 (perhaps he even arranged his/her memory to be wiped)

silly I know and its not true

 

[shadow_Fox81]

i think new vegas needed to decide wether it was the political drama thing or the classic samurai tail of revenge. and i think the post benny blues (which i suffered) is born out of thinking the game was a tale of vengeance which doesn't lend itself well to a bethesda style game(some what obsidian) because tales of vengeance are simple with excellent writing and they usually have an abrupt end. despite the whole factions deal making more sense for open worlding i loved feeling like a grislled wasteland ronin dogging my preys movements from town to town being bogged down by the pitiful toubles of others hampering my ultimate goal of vengeance.
i think it would have made a sucessful prospect if i had had to literally slay my way to the top which benny wasn't like all good tales of vengeance that finally culminatong in realising everyone is dead(KILL Bill, Afro samurai, Sin city:a dame to kill for)