Fan-works that they deserve to be official.

[SweetShark]

This thread bothers me a lot........

See nobody ever thinks about how the artists would feel about having other people start adding and changing there works would feel. Would you like it if you worked your whole life on say a painting and somebody came up and said I like this a lot but we should change it and proceed to start painting over your work.

If the original artists are supporting the work than sure you know that is cool but really you shouldn't mess with a story or piece of work that is not your to mess with. It is doubly insulting to go and attempt to get it published as you are not only breaking the law but ripping off the original artist.

And that why I want the fan-works I put in this Thread to be as close as possible with the officials works.
For example.....terrible example really...I won't put a very well drawing comic of Mass effect series if this comics doesn't have anything to do with the actual story or have something completely random inside.

Also I don't find a reason why the original artist should feel insulted. Sure, I will not feel so proud if someone take an character I created and make a pornfic with him/her[/it?], but if it is for a fanwork that capture the spirit of my original work, I would feel very happy about that.

Why do you think the artist behind the comic "Bacon and Hobbes" did this "sequel" for "Calvin and Hobbes"?
He love the comic and to show his love he simple draw something that the artist see suitable for this specific occasion.

That is just the thing this very thread is about taking fan work and making it official. I may hate fan fiction but I have always left it alone because it keeps to itself and stays in its own corner. To get fan work published is to alter the original authors work through association. It doesn't matter if it is good or bad the fact is it directly alters the perception, reception and appreciation of the original work not to mention the message and story behind it all. Like I said if the origenal artist gives his blessing the way I see it is all the best to ya but without that to me your just a jackass taking liberties with someones life work that really isn't yours to touch. Like I said before though fanfiction I generally leave alone just because it doesn't pretend to be official it stays off to the side and anyone reading it is extremely aware that it is not part of the original artists work. When you make these things cannon it blurs that line and people forget who did what to the point that the original artists work isn't even his anymore its his and others who added on. Good intentions or not it is disrespectful to alter other peoples work. Even a retelling isn't so bad because at least then it is really obviously standing on its own.

My friend, don't get so serious about this thread of mine.
The only reason I did this thread is to create a place where we can post fanworks that they are well developed and show respec to the official work of the rightful owner.

You have any right to say that of course, cause we have already saw some examples that publishers didn't wanted fans to create something with their own works [like Blizzard for Starcraft Universe and Warner Bros for Middle Earth Roleplaying Project], but the thing is the fans did that cause they love the original work and to show this wanted to make something really good to show appreciation, working for many hours with their own money, plus they are free [of course these fanworks must be free].

So, if you feel offended for this, I am very sorry.


With that said, I will make an update soon. Later!

 

[Entitled]

This thread bothers me a lot........

See nobody ever thinks about how the artists would feel about having other people start adding and changing there works would feel. Would you like it if you worked your whole life on say a painting and somebody came up and said I like this a lot but we should change it and proceed to start painting over your work.

If the original artists are supporting the work than sure you know that is cool but really you shouldn't mess with a story or piece of work that is not your to mess with. It is doubly insulting to go and attempt to get it published as you are not only breaking the law but ripping off the original artist.

It's not that I don't think about the artists' rights, I'm thinking a lot about artists' rights.

It's that I came to the conclusion, that artists don't have a right to stop other people from creating art, and therefore I don't care about how they feel about it.

First of all, there is no such thing as an "original work", or an "original artist". All art is derivative. It's supposed to be. Genres are evolving by stories imitating each other. 2D jumping platformers exist because people copied Donkey Kong, and then Super Mario. FPS exists because people copied Doom. High Fantasy exists because people copied Tolkien.

Some of the greatest modern stories are either explicit retellings of old public domain mythology, tales, novels, etc, while many others are blatantly inspired by other contemporary work, but in a way that doesn't set off any copyright bells.

Content owners who harrass fan work based on copyright claims, are abusing the fact that the few things that fans care about the most, all happen to be copyrightable. Names, titles, specific settings, things like that. Romero very obviously invented the modern zombie archetype, yet he has no copyright claim on the Walking Dead, or Zombieland. Tolkien invented hobbits, and now The Tolkien Estate or Warner brothers can sue anyone who uses the little fellows.

The generic Western setting was created without anyone copyrighting it, so The Magnificent Seven could be made with only owning the Seven Samurai copyright and crossovering it, while Fallout:Equestria happens to take place in a copyrighted Fallout setting.

Bu these things are not different from each other. "Western setting" clichés are not more "original" than the Fallout world's formulas, and Hobbits were not more innovative than zombies.

All that fighting against fanfiction does, is twisting "originality" and "innovation" into legal concepts, while they were supposed to be defined by the intent to create art. They are abusing legal tools that were intended to "encourage the production of art", to stop art from being produced.

 

[IamQ]

This thread bothers me a lot........

See nobody ever thinks about how the artists would feel about having other people start adding and changing there works would feel. Would you like it if you worked your whole life on say a painting and somebody came up and said I like this a lot but we should change it and proceed to start painting over your work.

If the original artists are supporting the work than sure you know that is cool but really you shouldn't mess with a story or piece of work that is not your to mess with. It is doubly insulting to go and attempt to get it published as you are not only breaking the law but ripping off the original artist.

Well, the artist put their work out for the public, so they must expect to get a reaction from them. If the painting was for themselves, then sure, don't change it, he doesn't care what you think.

But these are works put out to the public, for us to criticize or praise. And if a fan publishes a work based on someone elses work, and everyone enjoys it, where is the loss here? A public work is never about the artist. It is about the people experiencing it, it is made for the people experiencing it. And if people expand upon the work, and more people love the experience, then good.

 

[aba1]

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My friend, don't get so serious about this thread of mine.
The only reason I did this thread is to create a place where we can post fanworks that they are well developed and show respec to the official work of the rightful owner.

You have any right to say that of course, cause we have already saw some examples that publishers didn't wanted fans to create something with their own works [like Blizzard for Starcraft Universe and Warner Bros for Middle Earth Roleplaying Project], but the thing is the fans did that cause they love the original work and to show this wanted to make something really good to show appreciation, working for many hours with their own money, plus they are free [of course these fanworks must be free].

So, if you feel offended for this, I am very sorry.


With that said, I will make an update soon. Later!

Ahh sorry if I came off a bit bitter this is just one of those few subjects I actually take somewhat seriously. Either way though even though I don't like fanfiction as long as it isn't published I generally don't pay it any notice. Just with 50shades of grey and 1 or 2 other titles that are fanfiction getting published things can get really bad for the entire writing industry if that becomes acceptable. With this thread being titled as it is sorta set me off.

 

[aba1]

This thread bothers me a lot........

See nobody ever thinks about how the artists would feel about having other people start adding and changing there works would feel. Would you like it if you worked your whole life on say a painting and somebody came up and said I like this a lot but we should change it and proceed to start painting over your work.

If the original artists are supporting the work than sure you know that is cool but really you shouldn't mess with a story or piece of work that is not your to mess with. It is doubly insulting to go and attempt to get it published as you are not only breaking the law but ripping off the original artist.

It's not that I don't think about the artists' rights, I'm thinking a lot about artists' rights.

It's that I came to the conclusion, that artists don't have a right to stop other people from creating art, and therefore I don't care about how they feel about it.

First of all, there is no such thing as an "original work", or an "original artist". All art is derivative. It's supposed to be. Genres are evolving by stories imitating each other. 2D jumping platformers exist because people copied Donkey Kong, and then Super Mario. FPS exists because people copied Doom. High Fantasy exists because people copied Tolkien.

Some of the greatest modern stories are either explicit retellings of old public domain mythology, tales, novels, etc, while many others are blatantly inspired by other contemporary work, but in a way that doesn't set off any copyright bells.

Content owners who harrass fan work based on copyright claims, are abusing the fact that the few things that fans care about the most, all happen to be copyrightable. Names, titles, specific settings, things like that. Romero very obviously invented the modern zombie archetype, yet he has no copyright claim on the Walking Dead, or Zombieland. Tolkien invented hobbits, and now The Tolkien Estate or Warner brothers can sue anyone who uses the little fellows.

The generic Western setting was created without anyone copyrighting it, so The Magnificent Seven could be made with only owning the Seven Samurai copyright and crossovering it, while Fallout:Equestria happens to take place in a copyrighted Fallout setting.

Bu these things are not different from each other. "Western setting" clichés are not more "original" than the Fallout world's formulas, and Hobbits were not more innovative than zombies.

All that fighting against fanfiction does, is twisting "originality" and "innovation" into legal concepts, while they were supposed to be defined by the intent to create art. They are abusing legal tools that were intended to "encourage the production of art", to stop art from being produced.

Being inspired by =/= copying. Just because one work uses elements or ideas from another does not make it a rip off and in no way is everything a rip off off something that came from before. To be a direct rip of would be require the piece to be so like the original people would be hard pressed to be able to tell that they are even separate things. Using one aspect from another story is vastly different than taking all the characters settings story points and ideas and reusing them all at once. Fan fiction is directly tied to the source material and that is the difference that is why it is not simply a story with elements that were inspired from something before it. Fan fiction should NEVER get publish EVER.

 

[aba1]

This thread bothers me a lot........

See nobody ever thinks about how the artists would feel about having other people start adding and changing there works would feel. Would you like it if you worked your whole life on say a painting and somebody came up and said I like this a lot but we should change it and proceed to start painting over your work.

If the original artists are supporting the work than sure you know that is cool but really you shouldn't mess with a story or piece of work that is not your to mess with. It is doubly insulting to go and attempt to get it published as you are not only breaking the law but ripping off the original artist.

Well, the artist put their work out for the public, so they must expect to get a reaction from them. If the painting was for themselves, then sure, don't change it, he doesn't care what you think.

But these are works put out to the public, for us to criticize or praise. And if a fan publishes a work based on someone elses work, and everyone enjoys it, where is the loss here? A public work is never about the artist. It is about the people experiencing it, it is made for the people experiencing it. And if people expand upon the work, and more people love the experience, then good.

To get fan work published is to alter the original authors work through association. It doesn't matter if it is good or bad the fact is it directly alters the perception, reception and appreciation of the original work not to mention the message and story behind it all.

There is a difference between saying "hmmm I don't care for this painting" and saying "hmmm I don't care for this painting" and then changing it simply because you don't like it. Just because something is public doesn't mean anyone has the right to change it as they please that is the most backward logic ever. Adding to a story doesn't make it better for everyone in fact it isn't uncommon for it to ruin stories for people. Just because a work is public doesn't give everyone the right to alter it by that logic I should be allowed to spray paint all over your clothing and positions because they are open in public. I could go on and on.

 

[Dragoon]

Not sure if it is what you're looking for but I find DeadFantasy very very good.
And I've nerv played any FF or DoA...


This version is the six movies so far put together, if you want to see them in shorter clips just type "Dead Fantasy" into the Youtube search bar.

This MontyOum also has a thing called "Haloid" (Halo + MetroidPrime) which is bloody awesome!

Yeah they are pretty awesome, the special ending to Haloid is so bad it's bloody awesome

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Being inspired by =/= copying. Just because one work uses elements or ideas from another does not make it a rip off and in no way is everything a rip off off something that came from before. To be a direct rip of would be require the piece to be so like the original people would be hard pressed to be able to tell that they are even separate things. Using one aspect from another story is vastly different than taking all the characters settings story points and ideas and reusing them all at once. Fan fiction is directly tied to the source material and that is the difference that is why it is not simply a story with elements that were inspired from something before it. Fan fiction should NEVER get publish EVER.

That is a concept that an alarmingly few people seem to understand. It's gotten to the point that whenever I hear/read the term "rip off" I want to scream or punch the person who uttered it or both. If one person took another's story, changed all the character's names and tried to publish it under their own name, that would be a rip off. A fictional work with otherwise original characters in a more or less original setting, but using elements inspired by other's work is not a rip off.

Now Fan Fiction is fiction that is set in an already established fictional universe and uses that universe's already established characters. Now should any of that ever be made official? Well that's debatable since 99% of it is shit, I would probably be inclined to say no, but I suppose there is the exception.

 

[IamQ]

This thread bothers me a lot........

See nobody ever thinks about how the artists would feel about having other people start adding and changing there works would feel. Would you like it if you worked your whole life on say a painting and somebody came up and said I like this a lot but we should change it and proceed to start painting over your work.

If the original artists are supporting the work than sure you know that is cool but really you shouldn't mess with a story or piece of work that is not your to mess with. It is doubly insulting to go and attempt to get it published as you are not only breaking the law but ripping off the original artist.

Well, the artist put their work out for the public, so they must expect to get a reaction from them. If the painting was for themselves, then sure, don't change it, he doesn't care what you think.

But these are works put out to the public, for us to criticize or praise. And if a fan publishes a work based on someone elses work, and everyone enjoys it, where is the loss here? A public work is never about the artist. It is about the people experiencing it, it is made for the people experiencing it. And if people expand upon the work, and more people love the experience, then good.

To get fan work published is to alter the original authors work through association. It doesn't matter if it is good or bad the fact is it directly alters the perception, reception and appreciation of the original work not to mention the message and story behind it all.

There is a difference between saying "hmmm I don't care for this painting" and saying "hmmm I don't care for this painting" and then changing it simply because you don't like it. Just because something is public doesn't mean anyone has the right to change it as they please that is the most backward logic ever. Adding to a story doesn't make it better for everyone in fact it isn't uncommon for it to ruin stories for people. Just because a work is public doesn't give everyone the right to alter it by that logic I should be allowed to spray paint all over your clothing and positions because they are open in public. I could go on and on.

But I didn't make my clothes, and I'm not wearing them for anyone but me. But if I were to make the shirts myself and then sell them off to people, I think they would be right to then do their own things with the shirt and then sell it off. If I then want to make a profit, I'll have to do my own modifications on their design, and so on.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

please tell me other kind of works made by fans for any kind of movie/book/comic/videogame etc that it could be an official work cause of the the time and work one or a team wanted to make

None. Why are you trying to ruin fiction?
Let the author take his series to glory or ruin, and be done with it.
Otherwise, we get shit like the Dracula sequel, where Bram Stoker's `great grandnephew needed some cash and traded on his family name, and ripped off at least two previously-published "unofficial" sequels (and countless fanfiction) and made the story where Dracula was A MISUNDERSTOOD GOOD GUY, YOO GAIZ, and his HALF-VAMPIRE SON has to fight evil. Oh, and lesbian vampire rape for good measure.

Fuck you, Dacre Stoker, and fuck Ian Holt.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

Spoiler: snip

Definitely Pkmn: World of Chaos by teejay-number13.

It takes the cute and cuddly aspect of the Pokemon Game series/Show a back seat and instead gives us a world where mysterious dark clouds cause wild Pokemon to become blood thirsty killers that kill all humans and caught Pokemon indiscriminately. Humanity must fight off these Pokemon and establish safe havens for humans and caught Pokemon while investigating the strange phenomenon of the dark clouds and a way to stop their dark influences.

It stars TJ, an ex-Pokemon trainer that has given up training Pokemon after his entire party is killed in a mission during the early years where the dark clouds emerged. Over time he beings to befriend Pokemon and takes up being a Pokemon trainer again. Using the last known Snag machine, he is able to steal other trainer's Pokemon and willfully recruit them to his team. He also is able to Snag an evil Gardevoir, which later turns out to become a Dark Pokemon, who over time begins to bond with TJ, much like how friendship is required to cleanse Dark Pokemon in Pokemon Colosseum and Gale of Darkness.

The characters include a lot of familiar faces from the Game series and shows, such as Prof. Fennel, Prof. Oak, Team Galactic, Bianca, Cheren, and all Gen 1-5 Pokemon, and pre-Black 2 & White 2 events.

Aside from the flash animations that continue to improve with quality, as well as optional playable battles, the more recent episodes include better audio and voice acting.

A question cause I am not a fan and don't know many things about Pokemons:
Did was an Official Pokemon work in the past that it was indeed dark and grim? Because as I said if something deserve to be official it must have also the "spirit" of the official work.

To my knowledge, the only thing that comes close to the "spirit" of the work is maybe the Pokemon Adventures manga. It dealt with themes and stories that had a slightly mature tone (for teenagers and older) than the anime and games did. Some Pokemon attack humans, wild and caught, but not lethal to any extent, and there are vague evil forces that want to use Pokemon for evil purposes, such as taking over the world and enslaving the human race.

The only other thing that comes close are the Gamecube "Stadium" games, Pokemon Colosseum and Gale of Darkness. This brought the concept of Snagging Pokemon from trainers, albeit Dark Pokemon, purifying them through friendship, as well as a Dark Lugia creating destruction on cities and structures. The in-flash battles are the traditional turn-based gameplay found in the handheld series.

 

[Kontarek]

Can't believe no one's mentioned Marauder Shields yet; Koobismo is damned talented and seems determined to give Mass Effect a proper ending:
http://koobismo.deviantart.com/

 

[Flippincrazy]

Welp.

'End of Ponies' - by shortskirtsandexplosions. Features, as the title might suggest, the last pony struggling to discover what caused the apocalyptic event. Why does it deserve to official? It's fantastically well-written, it's thematically rather deep and has the protagonist develop (or redevelop) the virtues of a more innocent race in a more innocent time - rather true to the source material, in this aspect. Sure the chapters are long as hell, but it's just so damn good, and IMO, miles above Fallout: Equestria in terms of the depth.

'Mass Effect: Interregnum' was also very well written and has a far greater to be canon than the above entry.

 

[bafrali]

Black Mesa Source. What these guys did was phenomonal.

 

[Entitled]

Being inspired by =/= copying. Just because one work uses elements or ideas from another does not make it a rip off and in no way is everything a rip off off something that came from before.

But we call them that all the time! Every time a new voxel-based sandbox game is released, we call it a Minecraft-clone. Many whole genres used to be called "x cones" by everyone. GTA clones, Doom clones, Diablo clones, Sim City clones, etc.

We say that James Cameron's Avatar "ripped off" Dances with Wolves. If not in a legal sense, then morally, it did.

Avatar is far less original than Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels. Super 8 is a far less original than Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

Fan fiction is directly tied to the source material and that is the difference that is why it is not simply a story with elements that were inspired from something before it. Fan fiction should NEVER get publish EVER.

Which of these would you consider a fanfiction, that shouldn't ever have been allowed to get published?

Virgil - The Aeneid (the adventures of Iliad side character Aeneas, unauthorised by Homer)
Sherlock - (2010 TV series) (unauthorised by Arthur Conan Doyle).
E. L. James - 50 Shades of Grey (written as a story with Twilight characters, then changed their names for legal reasons)
Alan Moore - Watchmen (comic) (written as story with DC characters, then changed their names for legal reasons)
Watchmen (movie) (Made directly against comic author Alan Moore's will)
Spaceballs (movie) (made without Lucasfilm's or George Lucas's consent)
Epic Movie (movie) (featuring a large cast of copyrighted characters)

 

[SweetShark]

Black Mesa Source. What these guys did was phenomonal.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Btw, why the f*ck didn't yet released the game in Steam? What keep them so long?

 

[SweetShark]

Fighting is Magic, the fan made 2D fighter of MLP. It actually looks really interesting so far.

Also:

Spoiler: Anyone remember this?

Exept of course the developers have a solid story to reason the actions of the ponies to beat each other in a Fighting Tournamet.

Isn't there a king of fighters game that had no story at all? I heard despite that, the combat more than made up for it.

Yeah, but like in the fighting games I play, I like to have a solid good story, like Guilty Gears and Blazblue.
I hope to have a good story for this game when they release it in the future.

 

[Entitled]

To get fan work published is to alter the original authors work through association. It doesn't matter if it is good or bad the fact is it directly alters the perception, reception and appreciation of the original work not to mention the message and story behind it all.

There is a difference between saying "hmmm I don't care for this painting" and saying "hmmm I don't care for this painting" and then changing it simply because you don't like it.

I see your problem here. You fail to understand the distinction between changing a physically existing object, and creating new ideas.

Fanfiction changing someone's perception of a story, doesn't actually change the story. It's still there, the words are set in stone, the same colors are on the same canvas, the strings of data are still on your hard drive, and in your mind.

That there are ALSO some other words set in another stone, other colors on anothr canvas, extra strings of data on another part of your hard drive, and a few more thoughts in your mind, doesn't take it away. If you treat the "perception" that is in your head as a physical object, that shouldn't be altered, then you should stop communicating with people, because that's what communication is all about. Changing each other's perceptions.

Reviews alter the perception. Commentary alters perception. Jokes alter peception. New stories can also alter perceptions of old ones, maybe slightly more effectively when they use the same setting. So what? That's what they are supposed to do!

There is The Problem of Susan [http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/the-problem-of-susan] by Neil Gaiman, a short story that is about Susan Pevensie of The Chronicles of Narnia, (without formally confirming the character's identity in the novella), that is all about changing your perception of Lewis' world, and the implied theology behind it. It's a counterargument, against an argument. Lewis wrote a story showing how salvation works, and Gaiman wrote a story showing the horrifying implications of Lewis's idea.

To say that such stories shouldn't officially exist because the "original artist" has a right to stop these counter-arguemnts, is like saying that every forum thread OP should have mod powers, because if the discussion was "their idea", then they get to censor anyone who is picking up the thread.

 

[Kontarek]

'Mass Effect: Interregnum' was also very well written and has a far greater to be canon than the above entry.

Don't think it's really fair to compare Marauder Shields and Interregnum considering that the former is a brand new ending to ME3 constructed from the ground up while the latter is just a detailed story of Garrus's time on Omega as Archangel. Not saying it's bad or anything, just fail to see how someone could assume that one has any more credibility than the other.

I mean yeah I get that Interregnum doesn't mess with established canon or whatever, but the fact that ME3's ending was so poorly received and basically rejected by a huge portion of the fanbase (coupled with the fact that it was so turdish even Bioware didn't have the balls to completely stand by it) doesn't exactly afford the "canonical ending" the same level of credibility that is rightfully attributed to the rest of ME canon.

Personally, I'm just waiting with cautious optimism to see if Koobs actually manages to pull off his Marauder Shields gambit, which will definitely be replacing the ME3 ending in my head if he does.

If not, ah well. I'll just go watch Cowboy Bebop a couple hundred more times.

 

[aba1]

But we call them that all the time! Every time a new voxel-based sandbox game is released, we call it a Minecraft-clone. Many whole genres used to be called "x cones" by everyone. GTA clones, Doom clones, Diablo clones, Sim City clones, etc.

We say that James Cameron's Avatar "ripped off" Dances with Wolves. If not in a legal sense, then morally, it did.

Avatar is far less original than Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels. Super 8 is a far less original than Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

Just because people claim something is a rip off doesn't mean they are. You example of dances with the wolves to avatar is a great example because Avatar is not a rip off. If you compare the two the only thing they have in common in the central premise they don't share characters, actors, scripts, lighting, dialog, settings literally nothing is shared but the bare basic premise.

Which of these would you consider a fanfiction, that shouldn't ever have been allowed to get published?

Virgil - The Aeneid (the adventures of Iliad side character Aeneas, unauthorised by Homer)

The original creator cannot give his permission since he died so many years ago and after a certain amount of time your works can become public domain after death.

Sherlock - (2010 TV series) (unauthorised by Arthur Conan Doyle).

Same as above

E. L. James - 50 Shades of Grey (written as a story with Twilight characters, then changed their names for legal reasons)

Was legally considered different enough to be published still a disgusting person who should be ashamed.

Alan Moore - Watchmen (comic) (written as story with DC characters, then changed their names for legal reasons)

DC owns all the characters on either side and they cannot rip off themselves

Watchmen (movie) (Made directly against comic author Alan Moore's will)

He sold his rights for the work to DC through contract hence why DC owns all his work on this title.

Spaceballs (movie) (made without Lucasfilm's or George Lucas's consent)

Must have been legally different enough to be considered not a rip off and to be honest it really was different enough I mean sure elements and references were there but they are a very different beast.

Epic Movie (movie) (featuring a large cast of copyrighted characters)

Same as above.