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Hitokiri_Gensai

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i live under the belief that these people should just be killed off. Less spent on housing their sorry worthless asses and... well youre improving the world overall.
 

Doctor Glocktor

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AndyFromMonday said:
I can't believe how many sadistic fucks populate these forums. Six pages of people spouting unrelenting hatred downright bordering on antisocial personality disorder. I understand that what some of those people did was disgusting but at the very least attempt to convey your point in a way that shows you're a goddamn fucking human being.
People like being angry and people like having a target for hatred.

They're being as human as they can be by spouting off their irrational fury.
 

AndyFromMonday

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CM156 said:
AndyFromMonday said:
This is the matter of CP.

You cannot expect people to keep level heads in this matter. At all. It offends nearly everyone on a moral and ethical level. It's one of those crimes they want to see someone hang for. And I can see some truth in that.

Also, I don't know how they can be "treated". I've always been told by GLBT people that conversion therapy or any atempt to change someone's orentation never works.
Even so, showing such cruelty is not normal. I could go as far as to say that cases like these show people for who they truly are.

I am very much aware that you can't change someone's sexuality. In this case however pedophiles could be taught how to resist and alleviate their urges so that at the very least they could be reintegrated back into society. Their sexuality might be fucked up but they are still human beings who want nothing more than to live a normal life. I don't believe anyone wants to be a pedophile and frankly, naming and shaming them like we do nowadays will pretty much ruin any chance they might have at a marginally normal life.
 

C.S.Strowbridge

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A lot of people here are talking about the people arrested as if they were pedophiles. They are not.

Read the story: "If the girl looks totally comfortable, she's not in distress, it does NOT belong I this section."

These people are not pedophiles, they are sexual sadists. They choose children as their victims, because children are more helpless than adults.

These people are broken beyond repair and the only humane thing to do is execute them.
 

AndyFromMonday

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Doctor Glocktor said:
People like being angry and people like having a target for hatred.

They're being as human as they can be by spouting off their irrational fury.
I disagree. There's a difference between spouting irrational furry and exhibiting sociopathic tendencies. Showing willingness to participate in the physical mutilation of these individuals is sociopathic.
 

cobra_ky

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Jonabob87 said:
Yeah because these things are reported in that sort of detail. You honestly think people just decide one day "I think I'll make child pornography". No, that is a thought that is developed, like most ideas. Human nature is to become numb to things that stay on the same level, and so we go for more extreme things, and once that gets boring we move on again.

This is how people get in to hard drugs and/or organised crime. It will work the same was for child porn, and child abuse.

It's the reason why everything is so full of gratuitous sex and violence these days, compared to the 50 for example. It's just not shocking any more, so we take it up a notch.
By this logic we should illegalize sex, because once people get bored with sex they'll inevitably kick it up a notch to rape.
 

Doctor Glocktor

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AndyFromMonday said:
Doctor Glocktor said:
People like being angry and people like having a target for hatred.

They're being as human as they can be by spouting off their irrational fury.
I disagree. There's a difference between spouting irrational furry and exhibiting sociopathic tendencies. Showing willingness to participate in the physical mutilation of these individuals is sociopathic.
But its as you, and the many other defenders of the pedophiles here said;

So long as they don't act on it, its harmless and they should be allowed to continue.
 

RatRace123

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Jesus, those people are messed up. They deserve what they get.
An exclusive board for kids suffering, that's really beyond words. That's absolutely terrible.
 

CM156_v1legacy

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AndyFromMonday said:
CM156 said:
AndyFromMonday said:
This is the matter of CP.

You cannot expect people to keep level heads in this matter. At all. It offends nearly everyone on a moral and ethical level. It's one of those crimes they want to see someone hang for. And I can see some truth in that.

Also, I don't know how they can be "treated". I've always been told by GLBT people that conversion therapy or any atempt to change someone's orentation never works.
Even so, showing such cruelty is not normal. I could go as far as to say that cases like these show people for who they truly are.

I am very much aware that you can't change someone's sexuality. In this case however pedophiles could be taught how to resist and alleviate their urges so that at the very least they could be reintegrated back into society. Their sexuality might be fucked up but they are still human beings who want nothing more than to live a normal life. I don't believe anyone wants to be a pedophile and frankly, naming and shaming them like we do nowadays will pretty much ruin any chance they might have at a marginally normal life.
This is not just a mater of pedophilia. This is a matter of exploiting children.

If you wanna draw or look at loli and shota, that's fine by me. I'll still think you're a sick fuck, but at least no children are getting harmed.

Here... not so much. This isn't drawn. This is the real exploitation of children. These people watched videos with real underage children being harmed. There is no, I repeat NO excuse for that. At all. In any way, shape or form. Mental illness may be an explanation, but it is FAR, FAR from excusing an action like this.
 

Canadamus Prime

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Only 30 years? That's not nearly harsh enough! You need to lock these bastards in some medieval style dungeon for the rest of their miserable lives.
 

Kargathia

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DexterNorgam said:
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Well, that's 72 symptoms of the problem locked up, but somehow I don't see this kind of public hate leading to any long-term solution.

Heh, you mean 72 problems. Each one of those people were defective. Care to enlighten us on some greater long term solution? Because I for one don't believe that people like that can be fixed.
Not too much offense intended here, but I for one think it's people like you who are the problem.

We can be pretty sure here of two things:
-We don't want to accept paedophilia as we're slowly starting to accept homosexuality - this is not a case of two consenting adults.
-At this point it's rather naive to assume that a national campaign of tv spots saying "having sex with kids is baaaaaaad" will suddenly stop it from happening.

So what we get is a massive stigma on something individuals have very little to no personal control over. A stigma which both is happily persecuting people for failing to excercise massive amounts of self-control, and making it extremely hard for these same people to find medical and psychological help while being able to lead a normal life.

Don't get me wrong here - I don't expect every one of them to willingly cooperate even if they were given the chance, but right now, due to sentiments of people like you, they would be outcasts the moment they seek help - whether they've done anything or not.

And that is the actual problem. You'll still have to persecute people who'd rather make somebody else suffer than to fix their own problem, but at least don't do so while at the same time denying everyone with these inclinations a better way out.
We are going to have to agree to disagree.

You operate on the notion that there IS a better way out. There really just isnt. If you have these inclinations, life is going to suck for you. I can't make it better. It sucks to be you if you are sexually attracted to children, because its purely and completely unacceptable. I fully expect that if you have those urges that you damn well better show superhuman restraint or you will fully deserve everything you have coming your way.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Paedophilia#Treatment

I probably should burn in hell for using wikipedia as source, but I'm too lazy to research something this obvious.

I'm not sure whether you have any previous experience with psychological problems, but the "treatment" of paedophilia is a pretty normal case: there is no magic wand you can wave to make it just go away, but there is a lot that can be done so you can lead a comparatively "normal" life.

If we take an analogy here to make things simple, then let's look at depression.

If things would be the same then you'd be expecting everyone suffering from depression to just "man up and live with it", but still think that the true problem is all the extra effort that has to go into cleaning all the bits and pieces of trains.
 

GWarface

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Valagetti said:
72, thats all good and everything, but I hate to be the downer here... thats nothing, the FBI seem like their really not holding their own.
Well, isnt it pretty mainstream that the CIA has been involved alot in the child trafficking around the world?

Then the reason is quite clear why there is so few of these sickos that gets behind bars.. And most of them are just users of the material, not the actual molesters..
 

rokkolpo

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Just saw on the news that they had over 123 terabytes of child porn.
16000 DVD's worth....

God-fucking-damnit!
 

AndyFromMonday

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CM156 said:
This is not just a mater of pedophilia. This is a matter of exploiting children.

If you wanna draw or look at loli and shota, that's fine by me. I'll still think you're a sick fuck, but at least no children are getting harmed.

Here... not so much. This isn't drawn. This is the real exploitation of children. These people watched videos with real underage children being harmed. There is no, I repeat NO excuse for that. At all. In any way, shape or form. Mental illness may be an explanation, but it is FAR, FAR from excusing an action like this.
But it is an excuse. Mental illnesses ARE used as an excuse for a persons action because their actions were influenced by it and therefore their behaviour cannot in any way be considered normal. Ostracizing pedophiles, calling them sick fucks and trying to harm them will do absolutely nothing to help with their disorder and at the very least I believe you would want them cured or at the very least in control of their actions rather than having them lose any chance at a normal life.

Watching child pornography does not make you a bad person and nor does it make you mentally ill. A pattern of sexual attraction towards children is what makes one a pedophile and frankly we should try and help them rather than persecute their actions.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Only 30 years? That's not nearly harsh enough! You need to lock these bastards in some medieval style dungeon for the rest of their miserable lives.
Murder rates re very high for people like this in prison. All likely hood they will die in prison from a shank before there term is up. They deserve it and anything else that happens to them.
 

AndyFromMonday

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Doctor Glocktor said:
But its as you, and the many other defenders of the pedophiles here said;

So long as they don't act on it, its harmless and they should be allowed to continue.
I have never said that. Pedophilia is not a normal deviation of human sexuality and as such it is classified as a mental illness and an individual suffering from pedophilia should be treated accordingly, especially giving that the condition can become worse like all mental illnesses do when left untreated.
 

Nikokvaj

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Has anyone even considered the option that many of the people involved could be doing this for shits and giggles?

Maybe these are just adolescents fascinated by the sheer extremeness of the content they were seeing, who downloaded this for free and have never had a desire to abuse children nor ever been turned on by the thought of it.