"Feeding Kids Meat is Child Abuse"
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As a vegetarian the notion that its child abuse is ridiculous, but I have to say that vegetarianism would do an awful lot of kids an awful lot of good as long as its an actual vegetarian diet not the stupid diets some vegetarians i know have, only pasta and rice and processed shit
As a Vegetarian PETA disgust me. They're the exact reason why I really dislike a lot of vegeterians/vegans. I dispise people who force their beliefs on other people, not their beliefs themselves or the specific group they belong to, but the individuals. PETA are essentially an entire group of those individuals who think that the best way to raise attention to a problem is to attempt to make people feel guilty for not doing as they do (and PETA aren't exactly innocent).
They give Vegans/Vegetarians a bad name and people assume that just because I personally don't eat meat, for whatever reason, I'm going to attempt to force other people in becoming vegetarian. I'm going to be living with 2 heavy meat eaters (one has to have a fair bit of protein for medical reasons), they don't mind having a few vegetarian meals, Cheese+tomato pizza if it's takeout, and I don't mind having some meat-based food in the fridge or something. I just choose not to buy/eat it.
Back to more relevance, I'll never force my child to be vegeterian. Sure they'll probably have a lot of veggie meals (remember Quorn has a lot of protein), but they can eat meat if they choose. If they choose not to that's up to them, but it's completely their choice (which I assume they won't make until they're much older)
Oh, and I dislike people who take the piss out of people chosing to be vegeterian, because they're no better than PETA in my eyes, trying to force us to eat meat or ridiculing us for not doing. Why can't everyone just get along regardless of personal views!?
On a side-note, I originally became vegeterian as a new year resolution from 2009/2010, forgot that marshmellow had geletin in it once but haven't eaten meat since. I'll admit that meat is tasty from what I remember and I honestly didn't expect to last long, but now the sight/smell of meat (mostly raw meat though) actually puts me off food, something I thought'd never happen.
I can't think of an appropriate way to end this minor rant other than; I'm telling you that you should never force your beliefs on people and if you do you're a horrible person who doesn't deserve to be treated nice.
(yes, the irony was intentional)
They give Vegans/Vegetarians a bad name and people assume that just because I personally don't eat meat, for whatever reason, I'm going to attempt to force other people in becoming vegetarian. I'm going to be living with 2 heavy meat eaters (one has to have a fair bit of protein for medical reasons), they don't mind having a few vegetarian meals, Cheese+tomato pizza if it's takeout, and I don't mind having some meat-based food in the fridge or something. I just choose not to buy/eat it.
Back to more relevance, I'll never force my child to be vegeterian. Sure they'll probably have a lot of veggie meals (remember Quorn has a lot of protein), but they can eat meat if they choose. If they choose not to that's up to them, but it's completely their choice (which I assume they won't make until they're much older)
Oh, and I dislike people who take the piss out of people chosing to be vegeterian, because they're no better than PETA in my eyes, trying to force us to eat meat or ridiculing us for not doing. Why can't everyone just get along regardless of personal views!?
On a side-note, I originally became vegeterian as a new year resolution from 2009/2010, forgot that marshmellow had geletin in it once but haven't eaten meat since. I'll admit that meat is tasty from what I remember and I honestly didn't expect to last long, but now the sight/smell of meat (mostly raw meat though) actually puts me off food, something I thought'd never happen.
I can't think of an appropriate way to end this minor rant other than; I'm telling you that you should never force your beliefs on people and if you do you're a horrible person who doesn't deserve to be treated nice.
(yes, the irony was intentional)
Free speech doesn?t always take priority, for example, if it endangers national security.Father Time said:
I?m not sure who banned the ad - hence why I didn?t say government - but you're probably right.
I first read the title of this thread as: "feeling kids meat is child abuse"
... yeah, well in that case i'd agree that probably is child abuse is meat is a euphamism
anyway that isn't what it says
OT: sure PETA should have the complete right to put up a billboard about whatever they want
i agree that they should be allowed to voice their point of view
BUT, people are going to believe them. not everybody. not even many people. but some people will see that billboard and assume they've done their research and listen to them
the same way in lots of psychological experiments all you have to do is wear a lab coat and people will believe or act upon most things you say (see Derren Brown: trick of the mind )
anyway what i'm getting at is that some people may act upon this sign and i'm not sure PETA should be abusing that power
... yeah, well in that case i'd agree that probably is child abuse is meat is a euphamism
anyway that isn't what it says
OT: sure PETA should have the complete right to put up a billboard about whatever they want
i agree that they should be allowed to voice their point of view
BUT, people are going to believe them. not everybody. not even many people. but some people will see that billboard and assume they've done their research and listen to them
the same way in lots of psychological experiments all you have to do is wear a lab coat and people will believe or act upon most things you say (see Derren Brown: trick of the mind )
anyway what i'm getting at is that some people may act upon this sign and i'm not sure PETA should be abusing that power
Correct me if I'mm wrong but didn't we have a story last year about a couple who had their small child on a vegan diet? if memory serves, the child died.
If making your kids fat by giving them meat (ignoring the fact that this statement is in error) is abuse, what is it called when you force a diet on them that kills them?
If making your kids fat by giving them meat (ignoring the fact that this statement is in error) is abuse, what is it called when you force a diet on them that kills them?
I dont know if you mis-understood, I believe meat should be part a varied diet not just a meat and candy diet.The Gnome King said:
I?m not going to bother looking at your links. I know for a fact a balanced diet is better than no meat at all.
There has been a number of vegans that have let their kids die from malnutrition, due to lack of protein and other important substances from a varied diet.
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Health/20110330/france-vegan-child-death-110330/
A fillet of fish can have less calories than an apple. Just sayin'.
No. It's not. Humans are biologically omnivorous. Saying feeding your children meet is child abuse is just as pretentious and ignorant as claiming that . . . well a dogmatic and exclusive approach to any personal choice really.
just my viewpoint of course.
just my viewpoint of course.
We're omnivores for a reason. We need a balanced diet, both meat and vegetables. Unfortunately, PETA seems to be more concerned with propaganda rather than actually informing the public. Childhood obesity arises due to the sedentary life style kids are basically forced to live. You wake up in the morning, get dressed, go to school where 80% of your day is spent in a chair with 10 minute breaks in between(varies between country to country). Then when you come home you end up sitting in a chair for the majority of your day. Either at the computer or doing homework, at least 90% of a childs life during the school year is spent in a chair. Ignoring the fact that chairs can actually cause health problems(thank you, Cracked), kids end up spending their entire day basically not moving at all. You don't have to be an expert to realize that's not actually a good thing. Parents are also busy and most of the times they'd rather just order food rather than spend 3 to 4 hours cooking. So in the end, obesity has become a problem because our society encourages a sedentary life style. But hey, it's PETA. They'd blame everything on meat if they could.
I agree! Kebabs for dinner tonight methinks!Fredrikorex said:
Also Scotland is surely not the best place for them to attempt to introduce vegitarianism. Can you deep fat fry veg?
A health organization making that billboard: logical, again assuming they can back it up with data.MrFluffy-X said:
A diet product/plan advertisement: cunning, yet tactless. Protect the children, but do so in the most outlandish manner possible.
Both of these can be understood and justified for the WHY of the billboard. I agree, the transparency of this is painful.
Fat doesn't make people fat, Meat doesn't make people fat, sugar doesn't make people fat, bread doesn't make you fat. Eating too much of anything makes you fat.
Eating only vegetables is unhealthy for modern human, specially if they are used to eat meat. Also you CAN NOT get B12 vitamin (Which is important for human nerve system) from vegetables! You must eat animal based products to get B12! Sorry that is the way it is.
Hey heres an idea: "Let's starve our children from B12 vitamin and see how they get neurological problems and possible Central nerve system damage for rest of their lives! That be great. All in the name of setting free animals that can not survive with the help of humans!"
I just wonder, Is there health education is UK and America?
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And don't bother mentioning that somewhere int he jungle areas and desert or what not there are tribes that eat no meat. They get their B12 from eating other traces of proteins, for example, insects...
Humans get B12 from animal proteins that get processed by bacteria in our gut. And you can not get B12 from sea weed, tho Porphyra tenera contains small traces of B12, but it gets destroyed if you remove water, dry or cook the plant.
Tho we could get B12 from eating unprocessed feces of animals or human, but then we would still be consuming small traces of meat since we would get the B12 from the animal proteins that are removed from the body of animal trough feces.
Animals get B12 from eating certain types of bacteria in plants. Humans can't, we don't have the means to do that.
So what should we do? Feed our kids in a way that is unhealthy and abnormal for human?
`You go first.
I eat mainly meat and I am not fat. I am bit chubby but that is what you get for sitting in school, walking home and then sitting whole day front of my computer writing, working and eating peanuts.
Eating only vegetables is unhealthy for modern human, specially if they are used to eat meat. Also you CAN NOT get B12 vitamin (Which is important for human nerve system) from vegetables! You must eat animal based products to get B12! Sorry that is the way it is.
Hey heres an idea: "Let's starve our children from B12 vitamin and see how they get neurological problems and possible Central nerve system damage for rest of their lives! That be great. All in the name of setting free animals that can not survive with the help of humans!"
I just wonder, Is there health education is UK and America?
Edit:
And don't bother mentioning that somewhere int he jungle areas and desert or what not there are tribes that eat no meat. They get their B12 from eating other traces of proteins, for example, insects...
Humans get B12 from animal proteins that get processed by bacteria in our gut. And you can not get B12 from sea weed, tho Porphyra tenera contains small traces of B12, but it gets destroyed if you remove water, dry or cook the plant.
Tho we could get B12 from eating unprocessed feces of animals or human, but then we would still be consuming small traces of meat since we would get the B12 from the animal proteins that are removed from the body of animal trough feces.
Animals get B12 from eating certain types of bacteria in plants. Humans can't, we don't have the means to do that.
So what should we do? Feed our kids in a way that is unhealthy and abnormal for human?
`You go first.
I eat mainly meat and I am not fat. I am bit chubby but that is what you get for sitting in school, walking home and then sitting whole day front of my computer writing, working and eating peanuts.
Wow, I'm surprised by the amount of hate for vegans and vegetarians here, focus your hate on peta as there are innocent vegetarians (such as myself), i do disagree with the OP that not feeding your kids meat is the true child abuse, and once peta tried to back out of the corner they did make some sense, like taking your kids to McD is child abuse, and yes i do think making someone eat at McD should be considered abuse no matter the age, but a home-made dinner, not so much.
Then again they don't mention how old the kids they talk about are, if they are still at the state where they should only drink breast milk or stay away from solid foods, feeding them meat is indeed child abuse, but knowing peta they probably didn't mean anything like that.
Then again they don't mention how old the kids they talk about are, if they are still at the state where they should only drink breast milk or stay away from solid foods, feeding them meat is indeed child abuse, but knowing peta they probably didn't mean anything like that.