'Feminazi' is sadly one of the most common examples of Godwin in our society.

[Syzygy23]

You know how the Escapist is so known for calling people out for comparing anything to Nazis, even if it's an appropriate comparison?

This is the one time I've never seen it applied. And this is one of the most appropriate times to tell someone they're a nazi or compare them to nazis. Even if you disagree with some of the more extreme feminists, it's utterly ridiculous to compare them to nazis.

Feminists aren't anything like nazis. It's an ideology opposed to every aspect of nazism on almost every level. The ideology is about social equality. From the side of the oppressed instead of the oppressor. It is opposed to Social Darwinism, inequality, it is non-racial, it is pro-homosexual. And the typical feminist is a hardcore LGBT advocate, anti-racist, anti-nationalist, anti-heterosexist, anti-ableist, and the ideology even harbors many hardcore animal rights activists. Not to say this is an example of all feminists, the annoying thing people label feminists being, is all the same, when there are incredibly varied versions of the ideology. But if anything would be typical of feminists, it's anything but what most people blame them of. The hardcore belief in social justice hardly makes anyone a nazi.

What is a feminist, one may ask. Many have said, "feminism is nothing more than believing men and women are equal", of course, that's true. But that's a bit overly simple and allows people to ignore problems of privilege. It's easy to say you believe in equality even if you do not, because there are all sorts of levels of equality. Feminism is better described as an ideology that is based upon reverse engineering male supremacy in society, out of society. Done from the name of the minority and the oppressed, much like how workerism is proletariat and worker centric. And means that feminism means knowing and understanding the causes and foundations of male supremacist and sexist thought in society, and how to combat and deconstruct it. A feminist isn't someone who opposes sexism in thought, but in action.

People who are sexist towards men, do not make the majority of this ideology. Recognizing that male supremacist thought exists in society and is a problem, is not the same as harboring ill toward men.

What about the feminsits who think they are SUPERIOR to men?

You know the type. I would say it's appropriate to call those type(s) a Feminazi, seeing as believing they were superior to others was a big aspect of Nazis.

 

[manic_depressive13]

This. Also, drunken consent works for males too, you know. My first semester at a four year college the R.A. on my floor lost her position and was kicked out of school because she got a freshman male drunk then offered him sex. He said yes, then the next morning felt terribly guilty about it and went to the Campus Police. He had not been a virgin previously, nor did he have a girlfriend. He just, rightly, felt that his ability to consent had been stripped from him. He'd been friends with the R.A. but had no sexual attraction to her. (I happen to know so much because I was friends with his roommate. It all happened on my floor, after all).

So all in all, that's a very weak example, since it protects both males and females. I'm not sure how the case would proceed if both participants were drunk, but unless there was physical evidence of trauma to either of the participants, it would probably be thrown out for lack of evidence.

I'm really pleased to hear that. The way people on this website talk you'd be inclined to think that men are offered no protection by the law from rape, and that rape laws only exist so that women don't have to deal with their mistakes. It's good to see this isn't the case.

What about the feminsits who think they are SUPERIOR to men?

You know the type. I would say it's appropriate to call those type(s) a Feminazi, seeing as believing they were superior to others was a big aspect of Nazis.

No, I really don't. People in this thread keep claiming they exist, yet I've never encountered one in my life. In fact, I'm inclined to think you're just making shit up.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

That's because you are missing the point. It's a mere figure of speech used to compare the extremism.

No, it's really not. It's a slur. That's like saying someone's not being offensive by saying "******" because "there's black people and then there's niggers."

'******' is insulting because it brings to bear the history of oppression of black people and has the implication that somebody is inferior simply by being black. There is no sliding scale of blackness. There is a sliding scale of extremism. The word feminazi is not an insult referring to ALL feminists, only those at the far end of that sliding scale. So your analogy makes no sense.

If their was some kind of militant group of black people to which '******' referred, rather than all black people, then the analogy would make sense - except that it would undermine itself, because if their were an extreme militant group of black people and the word ****** solely applied to them, it would presumerably have different connotations; it would no long being an insult based on prejudice and instead become an insult based on a moral or political difference.

And insults based on moral or political differences can be justified. Which is why it's ok to call someone out on being racist or otherwise having an extreme or dangerous view. And why it's also ok to call someone out for having an (unjustified) hatred of men.

 

[Saltyk]

The problem I have with feminists is that in my experience they dont want Superiority[/I]. In the western world nowadays the amount of genuine sexism in the work place is at an all time low. Men and women are generally treated equally in society.

There is still an argument about Pay Scales I agree, but I tend to find that feminists are a little bit like PETA, Blowing things completely out of proportion.

There are gender imbalances in society, Take for example the fact that a woman can go out for a few drinks, pull a random guy, take him home and sleep with him, then accuse him of rape. Under UK law drunken consent is not consent, meaning he is guilty of rape. I dont see that as fair, but that's just a gender imbalance.

I'm pretty much with you on this. I have no problem with gender equality, but when it becomes less about equality and more about what I can only describe as extremism, they lose any support. And I'm sure people know what I'm talking about. "Herstory" would be a great example. Also saw one that believed little boys should be treated no different from little girls. Which is very strange considering boys and girls are different and will have different desires.

 

[TheIronRuler]

You know how the Escapist is so known for calling people out for comparing anything to Nazis, even if it's an appropriate comparison?

This is the one time I've never seen it applied. And this is one of the most appropriate times to tell someone they're a nazi or compare them to nazis. Even if you disagree with some of the more extreme feminists, it's utterly ridiculous to compare them to nazis.

Feminists aren't anything like nazis. It's an ideology opposed to every aspect of nazism on almost every level. The ideology is about social equality. From the side of the oppressed instead of the oppressor. It is opposed to Social Darwinism, inequality, it is non-racial, it is pro-homosexual. And the typical feminist is a hardcore LGBT advocate, anti-racist, anti-nationalist, anti-heterosexist, anti-ableist, and the ideology even harbors many hardcore animal rights activists. Not to say this is an example of all feminists, the annoying thing people label feminists being, is all the same, when there are incredibly varied versions of the ideology. But if anything would be typical of feminists, it's anything but what most people blame them of. The hardcore belief in social justice hardly makes anyone a nazi.

What is a feminist, one may ask. Many have said, "feminism is nothing more than believing men and women are equal", of course, that's true. But that's a bit overly simple and allows people to ignore problems of privilege. It's easy to say you believe in equality even if you do not, because there are all sorts of levels of equality. Feminism is better described as an ideology that is based upon reverse engineering male supremacy in society, out of society. Done from the name of the minority and the oppressed, much like how workerism is proletariat and worker centric. And means that feminism means knowing and understanding the causes and foundations of male supremacist and sexist thought in society, and how to combat and deconstruct it. A feminist isn't someone who opposes sexism in thought, but in action.

People who are sexist towards men, do not make the majority of this ideology. Recognizing that male supremacist thought exists in society and is a problem, is not the same as harboring ill toward men.

What about the feminsits who think they are SUPERIOR to men?

You know the type. I would say it's appropriate to call those type(s) a Feminazi, seeing as believing they were superior to others was a big aspect of Nazis.

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I see those types in the world of academia, in their own bourgeoisie groups of little women talking to each other how to benefit themselves, reaching out to the various branches of government and private sectors with their club members. I dislike them greatly. I think I like the origins of communist feminism, where women were promoted to work as hard as men because everyone is equal, compared to the three year road trip women had in the USA's factories while their men were off dying on french soil.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Despite the above poster's complaints, it is very commonly used as a broadbrush way of attacking feminists in general. Sorry.

And while it may seem "obvious" to you, it "obviously" isn't "obvious" to a lot of people, since they're using the word you're saying people don't use "that way" in exactly "that way."

Okay, so they're wrong. A lot of people being wrong doesn't make them right. A lot of people should find it obvious otherwise a lot of people are stupid.

 

[Phasmal]

What about the feminsits who think they are SUPERIOR to men?

You know the type. I would say it's appropriate to call those type(s) a Feminazi, seeing as believing they were superior to others was a big aspect of Nazis.

No, I really don't. People in this thread keep claiming they exist, yet I've never encountered one in my life. In fact, I'm inclined to think you're just making shit up.

There are a lot of people saying `What about these`
but none have presented themselves here.
The only feminists here are the reasonable, sane kind. Why focus on straw-feminists?

And about the shit slinging at straw feminists I was talking about, this is pretty much what happens.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

You know how the Escapist is so known for calling people out for comparing anything to Nazis, even if it's an appropriate comparison?

This is the one time I've never seen it applied. And this is one of the most appropriate times to tell someone they're a nazi or compare them to nazis. Even if you disagree with some of the more extreme feminists, it's utterly ridiculous to compare them to nazis.

That's because you are missing the point. It's a mere figure of speech used to compare the extremism.

Weren't the Black Panthers like the Nazis so to speak?

They weren't particularly different. Especially when they got attached to the Nation of Islam movements and became Antisemitic. There's even a marginally well-known protest wherein both the Panthers/Nation of Islam and the KKK were protesting the same kind of Jewish bogeyman that Europe had for centuries.


Also, more On Topic, this smacks of Muslims or Christians getting mad because people are talking down about Creationists or al-Qaeda. Normal people in modern 1st and 2nd World countries don't perpetuate sex discrimination, and those who do, either under the guise of Feminism or Tradition, get called out by people who do not agree with them.

...I was just making a point, never meant anyone to go in-depth.

Spoiler: Just for low postcount

Hooray for cheese

 

[drisky]

I used to use the term only for extremists back when I was about 14. I stopped when I realized it wasn't just used for extremism by many people. Saying extreme feminism isn't that hard and there is no ambiguity to what you mean. I think people tend to put way to much importance on slang and words that don't have official meaning. Stop trying to defend words like feminazi and say what you mean and stop treating useless overused slurs like they are sacred.

 

[Zen Toombs]

-snip-

Very good point, and I will make sure to never use that phraise again. For some -likely bizarre and nonsensical- reason, I never associated "Feminazi" with "Nazi".

I will say that whenever I have heard the term, it refers to a specific subset of the ideology that specifically thinks that men are evil rapist penis monsters.

Case in point: Candra Fluke is now a "Feminazi" because she spoke before Congress about a friend who lost an ovary due to a Catholic institution barring birth control (a treatment for MANY issues).

Now she's a "slut" and a "prostitute" and a "feminazi" who "can't keep her legs closed."

And now I can't even say that. Thank you America.

 

[RagTagBand]

It's wordplay more than anything else, perhaps drawing a comparison between two very fascist ideologies but no, for the most part, it's turning "Nist" from "Feminist" into "Nazi" which is phonetically already very similar for the purpose of degradation.

 

[Catie Caraco]

This. Also, drunken consent works for males too, you know. My first semester at a four year college the R.A. on my floor lost her position and was kicked out of school because she got a freshman male drunk then offered him sex. He said yes, then the next morning felt terribly guilty about it and went to the Campus Police. He had not been a virgin previously, nor did he have a girlfriend. He just, rightly, felt that his ability to consent had been stripped from him. He'd been friends with the R.A. but had no sexual attraction to her. (I happen to know so much because I was friends with his roommate. It all happened on my floor, after all).

So all in all, that's a very weak example, since it protects both males and females. I'm not sure how the case would proceed if both participants were drunk, but unless there was physical evidence of trauma to either of the participants, it would probably be thrown out for lack of evidence.

I'm really pleased to hear that. The way people on this website talk you'd be inclined to think that men are offered no protection by the law from rape, and that rape laws only exist so that women don't have to deal with their mistakes. It's good to see this isn't the case.

All I can speak for is New York State, because that's where I've lived most of my life, and that's where the college was. I /assume/ it's true for most of the US and other similarly industrialized countries, but you know what assuming does. Honestly, I'm sure a man anywhere with laws written like the are in NY would be protected, and by that I mean places with separation of church and state. Rape laws in theocratic civilizations are so convoluted and, in many cases, disturbing, that they simply don't apply here.

I also know that a stone cold sober man can be raped by a woman in NY, if he says NO, then it means no. People have argued that a woman would need to restrain a man in order for it to happen, or that... how do I put this delicately... if the man didn't want to participate he wouldn't... rise to the occasion. Both of those arguments have been defeated in court because not all men are stronger than all women, and arousal/orgasm doesn't mean consent in a rape victim.

 

[CrystalShadow]

You know how the Escapist is so known for calling people out for comparing anything to Nazis, even if it's an appropriate comparison?

This is the one time I've never seen it applied. And this is one of the most appropriate times to tell someone they're a nazi or compare them to nazis. Even if you disagree with some of the more extreme feminists, it's utterly ridiculous to compare them to nazis.

Feminists aren't anything like nazis. It's an ideology opposed to every aspect of nazism on almost every level. The ideology is about social equality. From the side of the oppressed instead of the oppressor. It is opposed to Social Darwinism, inequality, it is non-racial, it is pro-homosexual. And the typical feminist is a hardcore LGBT advocate, anti-racist, anti-nationalist, anti-heterosexist, anti-ableist, and the ideology even harbors many hardcore animal rights activists. Not to say this is an example of all feminists, the annoying thing people label feminists being, is all the same, when there are incredibly varied versions of the ideology. But if anything would be typical of feminists, it's anything but what most people blame them of. The hardcore belief in social justice hardly makes anyone a nazi.

What is a feminist, one may ask. Many have said, "feminism is nothing more than believing men and women are equal", of course, that's true. But that's a bit overly simple and allows people to ignore problems of privilege. It's easy to say you believe in equality even if you do not, because there are all sorts of levels of equality. Feminism is better described as an ideology that is based upon reverse engineering male supremacy in society, out of society. Done from the name of the minority and the oppressed, much like how workerism is proletariat and worker centric. And means that feminism means knowing and understanding the causes and foundations of male supremacist and sexist thought in society, and how to combat and deconstruct it. A feminist isn't someone who opposes sexism in thought, but in action.

People who are sexist towards men, do not make the majority of this ideology. Recognizing that male supremacist thought exists in society and is a problem, is not the same as harboring ill toward men.

(I've bolded something to draw attention to it, because it's relevant to what I'm about to say.)

Well, while you are probably correct overall, it can be difficult to remain calm when faced with people who are clearly quite different from your description here.

Case in point, I've gotten into some serious arguments with people who call themselves feminists, because this particular subset of feminists happen to be incredibly bigoted transphobes...

Even though I know this shouldn't be what feminism is about, repeated interactions with people such as that has left me with a gut reaction to 'feminist' that is entirely negative.

And the problem wasn't just that these particular people were clearly bigots, but that they used feminism itself as some kind of justification for their bigotry.

There's really only one conclusion I can reach about the behaviour I was encountering, and it's basically amounted to the fact that the kind of reasoning being used was the same as the kind of thing you'd expect a white supremacist to say when claiming how racial minorities are now abusing white people.

Unfortunately, while I know this is totally unfair, repeated exposure to this kind of thing, and a total lack of any counter-examples from feminists who aren't insane bigots...
Has resulted in me more or less internalising the idea that 'feminist' is more or less equivalent to 'white supremacist'.

The only reason I can get past this reflexive reaction is because I do actually know more about what the overall aims and goals of feminism are.
But it's difficult to remain calm when the first thing that comes to mind is bigotry and abusive behaviour.

 

[Narfo]

In my mind, I consider a feminist and a feminazi to be two different people. A feminist is someone who actually upholds the feministic ideals the Original Poster listed. A femiNAZI is not a feminist, just a misandrist (someone who hates men) who uses feminism as an excuse to "get even".

 

[Catie Caraco]

This. Also, drunken consent works for males too, you know. My first semester at a four year college the R.A. on my floor lost her position and was kicked out of school because she got a freshman male drunk then offered him sex. He said yes, then the next morning felt terribly guilty about it and went to the Campus Police. He had not been a virgin previously, nor did he have a girlfriend. He just, rightly, felt that his ability to consent had been stripped from him. He'd been friends with the R.A. but had no sexual attraction to her. (I happen to know so much because I was friends with his roommate. It all happened on my floor, after all).

So all in all, that's a very weak example, since it protects both males and females. I'm not sure how the case would proceed if both participants were drunk, but unless there was physical evidence of trauma to either of the participants, it would probably be thrown out for lack of evidence.

I'll just say that if the positions were reversed he would probably have had charges against him, his reputation ruined and would be facing jail time rather than simply losing a position.

It is up to the victim, male or female, to press charges. This was also handled as an on campus matter instead of involving local city police. If the young man had wanted to press charges, he could have. He simply wanted her out of his life and his space so he could move on. The girl was kicked out of school without her tuition being returned and this happened in October. I believe she also had to register as a sex offender, so that's her reputation ruined.

 

[manic_depressive13]

I'll just say that if the positions were reversed he would probably have had charges against him, his reputation ruined and would be facing jail time rather than simply losing a position.

You mean like in this example here?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cheerleader-must-compensate-school-that-told-her-to-clap-rapist-2278522.html

Nothing irritates me more than people claiming "If the genders were reversed, there would be X reaction", because every single time I have encountered such a claim there was no basis for it outside that person's own bigotry and their absurd persecutory delusions.