Yeah! Thank fuck you were keeping all those heavy responsibilities that my underdeveloped, emotional, female brain just couldn't manage! With the level of maturity you just displayed, they were clearly in the right hands.Sougo said:
Feminism: has it gone to far?
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You can't hit a woman because their bones are made from glass.
I learned that from It's Always Sunny.
I learned that from It's Always Sunny.
The main problem is that equality of the sexes doesnt exist in our current world. At all. Some men are sexist against women and they suck, and trying to counter this by giving women priveliges over men is certainly not equality. It is however, neccesary.
A good example is the executive branch of the norwegian government. By law, the various ministers for things have to be divided 40/60 % women and men. This means that if 60% of the slots are filled with men, the remaining 40 MUST be filled by women. I see this as sexism toward both sexes. Shouldnt the positions be given to those with the best qualifications regardless of gender? I think so, but unfortunately, many men (for example) would still only give these positions to other men. The system is devised to ensure that blatant sexism cannot occur, but this does not mean that it is equality.
A good example is the executive branch of the norwegian government. By law, the various ministers for things have to be divided 40/60 % women and men. This means that if 60% of the slots are filled with men, the remaining 40 MUST be filled by women. I see this as sexism toward both sexes. Shouldnt the positions be given to those with the best qualifications regardless of gender? I think so, but unfortunately, many men (for example) would still only give these positions to other men. The system is devised to ensure that blatant sexism cannot occur, but this does not mean that it is equality.
Wow, sounds like you just had plain bad luck with random crazy people!F-I-D-O said:
I would have unceremonisiously told them to go and f*** themselves- that is just plain rude and horrible.
Male or female, if someone holds the door open for you, they're being polite and you should return the favour by having manners.
Anyway, I think we need to get a good definition of actual modern feminism before this thread goes any further because it's such a huge, huge topic and it's quite complex.
A vague OP doesn't really point is in any particular direction...
That's my two cents.
And now, for something completely different:
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Yeah, I'm in a funny mood.
A man having consensual sex with his wife is a rapist? His wife, who famously, could kick his cracker head in without thinking about it?Vuljatar said:
Certain feminists, yes.
The ones who believe in true equality between sexes are just fine.
The ones who truly believe women to be superior to men are just as bad as the asshole men who look down on women just because of their sex.
They've almost become what they hate.
The ones who believe in true equality between sexes are just fine.
The ones who truly believe women to be superior to men are just as bad as the asshole men who look down on women just because of their sex.
They've almost become what they hate.
Off the top of my head, and may or may not be what the OP is referring to: demanding to be treated equally then being offended when men don't hold doors for them, insisting on special treatment for various jobs (best example I can think of being different tests for men and women for LEOs and firefighters), and various things like that.child of lileth said:
Personally, I'm of the opinion that wondering about it is all sorts of silly. All you can really do is treat everyone equally, regardless of whatever factors they cannot control. Worrying if someone wants more won't help anything, just don't let them be treated as special.
Oh sweet mother of....manythings said:
I heard about this witch!! I thought she was made up like the boogey man!
Seriously, what a fucking nutter!
Another case in favour of introducing a control on who gets to put stuff up online....
Ain't no power in the 'Verse that'll stop Zoe.
Plus in one of the episodes, the couple are shown blissfully holding hands and exchanging affectionate pillow talk.
BOOM.
Argument over.
Seriously, someone call the fucking loony bin and get this lunatic committed!!
someone gets it...i've been saying this kinda shit for years...women only want to be feminists when its fucking convenient...F-I-D-O said:
example the girl will say "hey lets go out but you (the guy) has to pay... another time the guy may say "hey lets go out but this time you bloody pay" and the woman will say "why the fuck should i pay...it's my money i worked hard for it and im not goin to take care of your cheap ass" wtf is that shit?
i'm not saying that all women are like this because some women will be fair and do stuff for their men or even do something for a man...but the majority of them want to pull this feminism and "chivalry is dead" BS only when its convenient...
you know i'd like it if a girl would for once open a door for me...just once...
This thread is starting to get a little[footnote]Read: a lot[/footnote] misogynistic.
I'm just going to leave now.
I'm just going to leave now.
Its gotten to the point where they want to have their cake and eat it too, be seen as equal but keep all the old privileges they used to enjoy, like having doors held for them, having their man hold their shopping for them and whatnot.
And being able to hit people without retribution/say whatever they like about men without rebuttal.
I mean, I can multi-task plenty well thank you, i can iron, I listen to what people say, I've not hit anybody since I was like 5 and my cooking is good. Anybody would have thought, from the way some more radical feminists speak, that we were all slavering brutes possessed of only one idea: the idea that what shouldn't be fucked should be fought.
I saw a humorous anecdote on Alan Davies: Teenage rebellion last night about hardcore feminists in the 80s. Check it out, it should be on 4od by now. Suffice to say it was pretty unbelievable.
This isn't to say i don't like women, just the ones with the feminism rod rammed too far up them. Most women are easy going about that sort of thing and I see nothing wrong with equality and mutual respect, but when they start disparaging us and calling it feminism it just annoys me.
edit: I retract what I said about doors, of course you should hold them open for women. Or anyone for that matter, its basic politeness.
And being able to hit people without retribution/say whatever they like about men without rebuttal.
I mean, I can multi-task plenty well thank you, i can iron, I listen to what people say, I've not hit anybody since I was like 5 and my cooking is good. Anybody would have thought, from the way some more radical feminists speak, that we were all slavering brutes possessed of only one idea: the idea that what shouldn't be fucked should be fought.
I saw a humorous anecdote on Alan Davies: Teenage rebellion last night about hardcore feminists in the 80s. Check it out, it should be on 4od by now. Suffice to say it was pretty unbelievable.
This isn't to say i don't like women, just the ones with the feminism rod rammed too far up them. Most women are easy going about that sort of thing and I see nothing wrong with equality and mutual respect, but when they start disparaging us and calling it feminism it just annoys me.
edit: I retract what I said about doors, of course you should hold them open for women. Or anyone for that matter, its basic politeness.
Every women who has described herself as feminist that I have encountered has acted as if equal means better than males, not equal to males. I do know they are more likely to be raped, or sexualy assaulted. This happens to men as well, but what does that have to do with rights for a civilized society? In a civilized society (let us eliminate the crimes), every so-called feminist has acted this way. There are normal feminists who truly want to be equal, but others take it to far.Serenegoose said:
From what I take we all have encountered the crazy hypocrite "feminists". The sad part is I never in my life met (face to face) a true feminist so its impossible for me to make an objective estimation of whether what I see is a loud minority (with bad luck on my part) or are there just a huge number of nutcases out there in the world. Anybody can enlighten me on the state of things out there?
I have trouble thinking that you have any right to make claims about feminism if you can't add an extra o to that "to" of yours. A spelling error like that in the title shows a total lack of respect for the topic.
OT: My God, I've heard this one too fucking much. Learn what feminism actually is, rather than just accepting whatever Family Guy tells you. It's not perfect, not by a long shot, but it's not how you describe it.
OT: My God, I've heard this one too fucking much. Learn what feminism actually is, rather than just accepting whatever Family Guy tells you. It's not perfect, not by a long shot, but it's not how you describe it.
I've seen this happen before a lot of times. I used to work in a pub and I regularly saw female employees get sexually harrassed like this. It pissed me off so much. But I also had the good fortume of working with some awesome women that wouldn't stand for that sort of shit.Serenegoose said:
Usually the guys that say this are older men though, the 'old school' misogonyst crowd that don't know any better. But I've seen younger guys of my generation pulling this same crap. There's really no need for it at all - makes me ashamed of my gender.
In my view, everybody is horrible. Women are horrible. Men are horrible. Children are especially horrible with their evil little eyes and giant heads.
I couldn't say if we're at the point of equality yet, I haven't seen the world as a woman yet, but I can say statistics don't help the cause.
Equality is when being born a man or a woman doesn't matter in terms of opportunities. It does not mean everything is divided down the middle, that 50% of all nurses are men, 50% of all shareholders are women and both sides make the exact same amount of money. I'd say when you start favoring one gender to balance these things out 50/50, when being a man is an advantage if you want to work in a kindergarten or being a woman is an advantage to getting a construction job, this thing has gone so far as to hinder equality.
Equality is when being born a man or a woman doesn't matter in terms of opportunities. It does not mean everything is divided down the middle, that 50% of all nurses are men, 50% of all shareholders are women and both sides make the exact same amount of money. I'd say when you start favoring one gender to balance these things out 50/50, when being a man is an advantage if you want to work in a kindergarten or being a woman is an advantage to getting a construction job, this thing has gone so far as to hinder equality.
considering how in history we have always been treated in the eyes of the law as second class citizens we just want our time in the power.
so get with the program and stop messing it up for the ladies. also they have boobs, and they are nice to have sex with. indeed they are.
so get with the program and stop messing it up for the ladies. also they have boobs, and they are nice to have sex with. indeed they are.