Feminist Kickstarter Project gets Harassed/Threatened

[Zydrate]

but the inferiority of women has been consistantly proven.

Wow, seriously? Everything in your post has happened BECAUSE of thi---

Wait, wait. I'll stick to my last post. I'll let others thrash you for a bit.

 

[Brad Calkins]

Wow, seriously? Everything in your post has happened BECAUSE of thi---

Wait, wait. I'll stick to my last post. I'll let others thrash you for a bit.

this is the best you can come up with?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

this is the best you can come up with?

Heyyyyy...

Aren't you the guy who posted that link for "A Voice for Men" that one time? And we all laughed and laughed and laughed, and you got really angry?

If not I'm SUPER sorry for implying it was you.

 

[Brad Calkins]

Heyyyyy...

Aren't you the guy who posted that link for "A Voice for Men" that one time? And we all laughed and laughed and laughed, and you got really angry?

If not I'm SUPER sorry for implying it was you.

No, I'm not, but I would like to know, what about "A Voice For Men" makes it a bad source?

 

[Saladfork]

My response to, "This shouldn't be acceptable; we shouldn't tolerate trolling!"


This right here is why we just ignore it.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Frankly, if history is any indication, the whole projects stupid. They're just going to spend all that money complaining about what these characters are wearing, rather than look at literally anything else, they always do. The "misogyny" in these games begins and ends there, and besides, often the men wear outfits just as impractical. I swear to god some of these guys actually wear RUBBER PANTS!

So... have you ever watched any of her Feminist Frequency shows? Or are you just basing it off what you see here on the escapist?

She focuses primarily on film and TV, and shes done books as well. This is new ground for her to explore in regards to the medium she's dealing with, but from what I understand, she's not alien to games either. If she handles this project with the same competence she handles her average video, I'd say she has a good shot of getting to the heart of the issues, or at the very least drawing its true ugliness into the open, not this superficial nonsense people seem to think primarily concerns feminists.

That said, I'm not a rabid fan... I watch her videos for an alternative viewpoint, but I don't always agree with her. Yet she's willing to look into a flawed community and prod its sore points in order to cure it, which I find commendable. No one else seems to want to touch that can of worms.

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Here's a question for you smash. If someone you knew was exposed to severe gender based abuse in school or at work, but you only heard about it well after the fact, would you just let it slide because there isn't anything you can do about it?

Would you be comfortable if the people who abused this person were able to get off scot-free regardless of how bad it gets or how often it happens?

Well fortunately for you, you don't have to worry about this as much, as there is a REAL world justice system, however flawed, with a police force to enforce it, however flawed and Mass Media (however flawed) that names and shames if needs be.

This person is actively being abused. They are not only calling her names, they are actively trying to sabotage her goals and imposing their will on her. Harm IS intended. The people perpetrating this are doing so as a group (in regards to the sabotage), with anonymity on their side and no meaningful response from any authorities.

This is all directed at 1 person... just 1 person who wants to voice her concerns. If we all shared your logic, she would have to deal with this on her own. That's more then anyone can bare without support from others around them.

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Although I'm veering off topic like a llama in a punctured hot air balloon, I just wanted to say, I've noticed your posts in a number of threads (obviously) and you really are very good at defying the bland, reactionary bullshit this site loves to produce. Thank you for promoting actual critical thinking and not running around bleating like you're a llama in a hot air balloon.

Alright, I'm done

This isn't critical thinking. He isn't analysing the hows and whys of the things that are happening, he's saying "yeah shits bad, but what can I do about it" and then burying his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about it. That's a pretty shallow mindset, hardly worthy of such praise.

Just because it resonates with your own opinion doesn't mean it runs any deeper or reaches broader subjects.

 

[Kahunaburger]

I've avoided watching that one so far out of fear of facepalm-induced wrist injury. Some dude neglected important aspects of his life in high school because he was really into something, alert the media.

They weren't even important! I was at least looking forward to hearing about how he derailed his life or something but absolutely nothing of any significance happened. I think he bailed on movie night with some friends once, or something. It was utterly flabbergasting. To this day I wonder if it wasn't a brilliant satire.

Ahahahaha really? And some people still take EC seriously and like cite them as evidence and stuff. What.

 

[him over there]

Yeah, the quality of "trolling" has really dropped these past years. Now any guy who leaves a "LOL U R SO DUMB I WILL RAPE U AND UR DOG AHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE UMAD?" comment on youtube proudly wears a troll badge like it's some kind of medal.

Tell me about it, since when was insulting and trolling the same thing? Also I think the give less fucks approach will be shot down because of the fact that people will give a fuck about whether or not you aren't giving a fuck. Sorta like how nothing is something, you can't do nothing because nothing is something, or some shit. I certainly applaud it though.

 

[Risingblade]

Does it really cost that much to make internet videos? I had no idea

 

[Zydrate]

That said, I'm not a rabid fan... I watch her videos for an alternative viewpoint, but I don't always agree with her. Yet she's willing to look into a flawed community and prod its sore points in order to cure it, which I find commendable. No one else seems to want to touch that can of worms.

+Respect for disagreeing in a more tasteful, logical manner.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Ahahahaha really? And some people still take EC seriously and like cite them as evidence and stuff. What.

Swear to god. I was squirming in palpable discomfort the entire way through. He affected this somber, breathy tone for the entire pointless, rambling anecdote too, like he was telling us where he stacked the bodies.

I don't even MIND Extra Credits but I've had a really hard time taking them seriously since that.

But anyway, I'm derailing my own thread. Even though I apparently re-posted the topic like a total dildo.

No, I'm not, but I would like to know, what about "A Voice For Men" makes it a bad source?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

(wipes tears from eyes)

Seriously though, I'm terribly sorry.

 

[Zydrate]

Ahahahaha really? And some people still take EC seriously and like cite them as evidence and stuff. What.

Swear to god. I was squirming in palpable discomfort the entire way through. He affected this somber, breathy tone for the entire pointless, rambling anecdote too, like he was telling us where he stacked the bodies.

I don't even MIND Extra Credits but I've had a really hard time taking them seriously since that.

But anyway, I'm derailing my own thread. Even though I apparently re-posted the topic like a total dildo.

They should have just found a different writer for that episode, frankly. Part 1 was great, Part 2 was ruined. The very fact that the subject WAS too close to home meant that he shouldn't have continued.
Alas!

Sorry, let's continue >_<

 

[Kotep]

So is she being harmed in some way other than being insulted/threatened? The news article here said that people were flagging her videos as terrorism and trying to get her Kickstarter project thrown out, which seems like, you know, things that Kickstarter and Youtube will laugh at and deny.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Here's a question for you smash. If someone you knew was exposed to severe gender based abuse in school or at work, but you only heard about it well after the fact, would you just let it slide because there isn't anything you can do about it?

It depends. Did the harassment take place online or in the real? Am I close to the person, as in can I cheer him or her up? What does "Let it slide" even mean?

"Hurr ur just letting this slide Smash" - fine, here, I'm not letting it slide. I'm trying my hardest. Oh look, nothing changed.

Would you be comfortable if the people who abused this person were able to get off scot-free regardless of how bad it gets or how often it happens?

Heh, that got a chuckle out of me. I'm uncomfortable with a lot of things, ranging from poverty to modern human mentality to discrimination. To answer your question, no, I am not, and I'm not comfortable with this whole situation either, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

This is all directed at 1 person... just 1 person who wants to voice her concerns. If we all shared your logic, she would have to deal with this on her own. Thats more then anyone can bear without support from others around them.

You may want to examine my logic again - I don't think you read my posts properly.

This isn't critical thinking. He isn't analysing the hows and whys of the things that are happening, he's saying "yeah shits bad, but what can I do about it" and then burying his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about it. That's a pretty shallow mindset, hardly worthy of such praise.

Just because it resonates with your own opinion doesn't mean it runs any deeper or reaches broader subjects.

It's a damn wide sight more critical and intelligent than half the shit people like you have put together in this thread, I can tell you that.

But hey, you can keep telling me that I should be analyzing the situation properly and thinking about solutions, while you do fuck all in that direction yourself, instead opting to patronize people who aren't jumping on the rage bandwagon.

I'd be more than willing to take on someone like you in a debate about the subject, but till now, you're all to busy screaming "YOU SHOULD CARE BECAUSE FUCKING SEXISM AND GAMERS BEING SEXIST AND OH GAWD WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN" to actually make any proper points of your own.

I hate when people break up posts like that... pet peeve.

I specifically stated AT work or IN school. I also said after the fact, where the damage is already done. As for how close you are, that was left for you to infer... you seem to deliberately avoid the most plausible scenario in which a person would be given a hypothetical scenario with emotionally gauging undertones (i.e it should be personal).

Let it slide is an Idiom that means "to let past actions be forgiven".

Heh, that got a chuckle out of me. I'm uncomfortable with a lot of things, ranging from poverty to modern human mentality to discrimination. To answer your question, no, I am not, and I'm not comfortable with this whole situation either, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

I'm just drawing attention to this. I'll get back to it in a moment.

Upon re-examining earlier posts I have composited a series of quotes that I felt best established my view of your logic.

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"Oh come on, Guppy.

They hit a few keys on a keyboard. Feeling legitimate contempt toward them for that is almost on the level of legitimately hating someone for wanting to make a stupid "documentary"."

"I mean, granted, it by no means justifies the abuse, but what can you do? I think the right thing for everyone to do in this situation would just be to give less fucks."

"OH MY GOD I AM RAGING SO HARD AT THIS FUCKING SEXIST BASTARDS WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?

Wait... It... It's a miracle! They stopped commenting because I made a post on an internet forum expressing my discontent! Who would have thought this trolling could have been thwarted by a simple post on an internet forum? Typing a few sentences actually made a difference. Incredible.

In other news, Joseph Kony has been found dead after suffering a heart attack this morning. Authorities claim the collective willpower of American teens killed him. (Get my point?)"

"Because giving a shit doesn't help in this case. The most you can do is leave a friendly comment. There are no charities to donate to and no voluntary work to be done.

Your posts here do fuck all. You can flame me in a passive aggressive manner all you want, it won't change a damn thing."

"So they like to play video games too, eh? That doesn't make it my problem."

And just in case it was forgotten, I said:

If we all shared your logic, she would have to deal with this on her own.

A running theme in your posts seems to be "It's not my Problem". Either that or "what can you do?"

And to be honest, I kind of agree. It isn't my problem, though I attempt to take on the proble but I'm completely stumped about what I can do. But it frustrates me to see it happen, especially when its as concentrated as this particular subject, so I vocalise my disdain for it. Just like what you do, you who vocalises his disdain about people who vocalise their disdain but don't act on it.

This isn't critical thinking. He isn't analysing the hows and whys of the things that are happening, he's saying "yeah shits bad, but what can I do about it" and then burying his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about it. That's a pretty shallow mindset, hardly worthy of such praise.

Just because it resonates with your own opinion doesn't mean it runs any deeper or reaches broader subjects.

It's a damn wide sight more critical and intelligent than half the shit people like you have put together in this thread, I can tell you that.

But hey, you can keep telling me that I should be analyzing the situation properly and thinking about solutions, while you do fuck all in that direction yourself, instead opting to patronize people who aren't jumping on the rage bandwagon.

I'd be more than willing to take on someone like you in a debate about the subject, but till now, you're all to busy screaming "YOU SHOULD CARE BECAUSE FUCKING SEXISM AND GAMERS BEING SEXIST AND OH GAWD WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN" to actually make any proper points of your own.

Here is were I take a umbrage to your posting on this subject.

You fired first... the theme of the topic was "Look at these assholes, don't they make you angry GRRRR" proceeded by "Yes, RABBLE RAGE!"

Then you saunter along and go "it's just internet rage guys, why you lot taking it so seriously" and then derail the theme by railing on the womans objectives in the video, rather then the assholes who assaults her. Oh yes, you don't condone what they do, but you will gladly fight anyone who gets angry by it.

Then as the topic progressed you still made comments (completely off topic comments), only to met by a frenzy of people who took your loosely grounded and frivolous presence as being, perhaps wrongly, unsympathetic. Remember that quote I drew attention to above and said I would get back to it? Yeah, here is the problem with what you said:

Heh, that got a chuckle out of me. I'm uncomfortable with a lot of things, ranging from poverty to modern human mentality to discrimination. To answer your question, no, I am not, and I'm not comfortable with this whole situation either, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

Despite the fact the general feelings of this topic are "Jesus this is offensive, *insert rant*" you somehow feel that the very core to this topic is Irrelevant when directed at you.

But then, in response to me, where you seem to take a huge degree of offence from my own barbed language (despite stating people should give less fucks about internet assaults), you state that you would be more willing to debate the topic if everyone stopped being knee-jerk reactionaries (you said it less tactfully though).

Again, you fired first, you went off topic on many occasions, your opinion seems to run along the lines of "If I can't do anything about it anyway, I won't talk about it either" and then claim that the opposition to your viewpoint is not worth discussing with because they don't accept your complacent attitude. Oh wait sorry, it's because we're too busy screaming "YOU SHOULD CARE BECAUSE FUCKING SEXISM AND GAMERS BEING SEXIST AND OH GAWD WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN" to make proper points of our own.

On a final note, I find it funny that despite your "get over it" bravado, you didn't take having your logic and competency on the subject called into question and added quite a bit of venom in your last post as a result.

I also can't help but notice you don't like being ganged up on... feeling a bit victimised are we? I wonder how that feels.

 

[lowhat]

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Although I'm veering off topic like a llama in a punctured hot air balloon, I just wanted to say, I've noticed your posts in a number of threads (obviously) and you really are very good at defying the bland, reactionary bullshit this site loves to produce. Thank you for promoting actual critical thinking and not running around bleating like you're a llama in a hot air balloon.

Alright, I'm done

I just want to second this opinion. You are one of the commenters that keeps me coming back to this forum, both for the reason cited by Freezy, and the fact that the mildly sardonic manner you do it in is #winning.

 

[Zydrate]

It goes beyond "I should feel bad about this because I'm expected to", which, honestly, describes like 60% of this website. Let's get up in arms because we feel we should! Yeah! Can we do anything? No! But let's feel better about ourselves anyway!

Well, that's a bit rude. If I can persuade at least one person somehow, then mission accomplished.
That's mostly everyone's logic.

Besides. People CAN do something about it. People can donate to the kickstarter fund. That's something.