Feminist Kickstarter Project gets Harassed/Threatened

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Freezy_Breezy said:
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This isn't critical thinking. He isn't analysing the hows and whys of the things that are happening, he's saying "yeah shits bad, but what can I do about it" and then burying his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about it. That's a pretty shallow mindset, hardly worthy of such praise.

Just because it resonates with your own opinion doesn't mean it runs any deeper or reaches broader subjects.
He's analysing the how's and whys of "Why should I give a shit and how much emotional attention should I give to this topic" and the answer is, despite the ranting and raving that the internet spawns as usual, is none.

You can't do anything about this, people are dickheads and anonymity grants this a whole new level. THIS IS NOT NEW NOR UNFORESEEABLE. This is not a shallow mindset, this is a reasonable and realistic mindset.

It goes beyond "I should feel bad about this because I'm expected to", which, honestly, describes like 60% of this website. Let's get up in arms because we feel we should! Yeah! Can we do anything? No! But let's feel better about ourselves anyway!
I just wanted to second this. Nobosy on this site seems to ever think in any way besides "that is so horrible and that is bad". Rarely have I seen people talk about solutions, or causes or anything else besides that what happened was bad and then move on. At least Smash said something.

What do I think sends huge hate mobs off like this? Well I have a story. I'm sure many of you can relate to it in some way, whether that be directly or from hearing other similar stories. So when I was littler, about Fourth Grade all the kids ran around calling each other faggots and cunts. Obviously homophobic and partially sexist but plenty of us didn't even know or could conceive of the concept of sexuality or gender discrimination. We had simply picked up the language when we were little and used it for the sole reason we knew they were bad words. Then of course we grew up and realised that we couldn't run around calling people faggotcunts anymore but most people I know fought it. Despite the obvious hate behind the words most arguments are merely "but that wasn't the context we were using them in" etc. And to be fair it wasn't, I doubt any of us had purposely homophobic or sexist intentions, though that didn't make it any more acceptable. The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't the fact that you're trying to make people less bigoted that sets them off, rather that you're trying to change them at all. people appreciate a status quote, and it's uncomfortable to get rid of it when it's been around for so long.
 

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Freezy_Breezy said:
Ragsnstitches said:
This isn't critical thinking. He isn't analysing the hows and whys of the things that are happening, he's saying "yeah shits bad, but what can I do about it" and then burying his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about it. That's a pretty shallow mindset, hardly worthy of such praise.

Just because it resonates with your own opinion doesn't mean it runs any deeper or reaches broader subjects.
He's analysing the how's and whys of "Why should I give a shit and how much emotional attention should I give to this topic" and the answer is, despite the ranting and raving that the internet spawns as usual, is none.

You can't do anything about this, people are dickheads and anonymity grants this a whole new level. THIS IS NOT NEW NOR UNFORESEEABLE. This is not a shallow mindset, this is a reasonable and realistic mindset.

It goes beyond "I should feel bad about this because I'm expected to", which, honestly, describes like 60% of this website. Let's get up in arms because we feel we should! Yeah! Can we do anything? No! But let's feel better about ourselves anyway!
Considering that viewpoint (not caring and why bother) is relevant to absolutely every topic I can conceivable imagine, it's hard to respect it as anything other then posting for the sake of posting. If you fall into that mindset, how about not posting ever, since what's the point in caring if posting doesn't amount to anything substantial.

Its also NOT critical analyses.

Critical: inclined to find fault or to judge with severity (He judges with severity a subject not on discussion)

Analyse: Detailed examination of the elements or structure of something, typically as a basis for discussion or interpretation. (if anything he complete ignores the elements of the subject and decides they are beneath him, starting his own discussion).

At the very most he offers a cursory opinion on the subject, before he starts to target a different aspect of the post (the Kickstarter at the centre of this mess). Only to be dragged back into the discussion at hand by people who were not fond of his fleeting interest in the subject.

As for not caring?
Ignoring his post just a above mine (which is just above yours) where he states the subject DOES get to him but because he can't do anything why should he bother, he was fairly invested on railing on the Kickstarter project, criticising it and its goals (and the Authors intents) based off of nothing BUT the kickstarter page, despite it not being relative to the topic at hand (topic was about the assholes spreading unintentionally ironic sexist abuse and deliberately trying sabotage her project. Also the RPS link the OP posted).

So while you might be able to say you don't care, he certainly does... just that he doesn't think he can do anything... oh and also doesn't like people who just vent their frustration apparently.
 

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Its a predictable response to a predictable rant. She choose to be a feminist link bait troll, that is what she is, and it is a very successful model, look at jezebel. Take outrageous stances, cry hysteria, generate rage, benefit from rage, as no publicity is bad publicity.

You could expect the same if some loser guy decided to do some socialogical study/attack on twilight as being filled with sexism against men.
 

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jon4laker's made 12 VIDEOS on YouTube comparing Xbox360 vs PS3, and many went 10+ mins. HIS WORK in breaking down the hardware was insightful.

She's going to cover two decades of games? They encompass nearly every artistic genre.

This is like covering 'books' (in general) for the last fifteen years.
Will she cover female characters from Japanese games? How about the US? UK? Western vs Eastern? RPG vs FPS? MMO's?
THIS IS A WORLDWIDE MEDIUM OF ENTERTAINMENT.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
What I'm asking for here is an idea, a spark, something that could solve the problem of massive harassment on the internet. Until now I haven't heard one, and I haven't been able to think of one either.
Pfft. I suggested killing the guilty parties and you SCOFFED and told me I was being unreasonable.

Unreasonable!

ME!
 

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Know what concerns me? That people keep attributing misogynistic behavior to video gamers like we have a monopoly on it. It is hardly something unique to the gaming culture, in fact, I'd say it's is FAR more prevalent a theme in the vast majority of national cultures, especially major religious cultures, than in video games.

Beyond that, why the hell are we blaming gaming culture for this? Of the millions of people who play video games, a few thousand act like pigs, and yet we all get blamed for it? Not to mention I'd bet good money that the vast majority of the people who are sending her threats don't play games at all, they're too busy building bombs in their shacks and prepping for the fall of civilization cause all the gays and women aren't staying in the closet/kitchen like God wanted them to.
 

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wetnap said:
Its a predictable response to a predictable rant. She choose to be a feminist link bait troll, that is what she is, and it is a very successful model, look at jezebel. Take outrageous stances, cry hysteria, generate rage, benefit from rage, as no publicity is bad publicity.

You could expect the same if some loser guy decided to do some socialogical study/attack on twilight as being filled with sexism against men.
I shouldn't even bother replying to an argument as shallow as this...
But I get the impression you haven't watched anything of hers.

Her Kickstarter request video was noticeably modeled after her other videos. Same tone of voice and all. It was all done in the same style... She simply wants it to look nicer.

(Again, in my opinion, she doesn't need 100,000 dollars to do this... But I find the goal she's going for perfectly acceptable).

She's not trolling >_>
 

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him over there said:
Freezy_Breezy said:
Ragsnstitches said:
This isn't critical thinking. He isn't analysing the hows and whys of the things that are happening, he's saying "yeah shits bad, but what can I do about it" and then burying his head so he doesn't have to feel bad about it. That's a pretty shallow mindset, hardly worthy of such praise.

Just because it resonates with your own opinion doesn't mean it runs any deeper or reaches broader subjects.
He's analysing the how's and whys of "Why should I give a shit and how much emotional attention should I give to this topic" and the answer is, despite the ranting and raving that the internet spawns as usual, is none.

You can't do anything about this, people are dickheads and anonymity grants this a whole new level. THIS IS NOT NEW NOR UNFORESEEABLE. This is not a shallow mindset, this is a reasonable and realistic mindset.

It goes beyond "I should feel bad about this because I'm expected to", which, honestly, describes like 60% of this website. Let's get up in arms because we feel we should! Yeah! Can we do anything? No! But let's feel better about ourselves anyway!
I just wanted to second this. Nobosy on this site seems to ever think in any way besides "that is so horrible and that is bad". Rarely have I seen people talk about solutions, or causes or anything else besides that what happened was bad and then move on. At least Smash said something.

What do I think sends huge hate mobs off like this? Well I have a story. I'm sure many of you can relate to it in some way, whether that be directly or from hearing other similar stories. So when I was littler, about Fourth Grade all the kids ran around calling each other faggots and cunts. Obviously homophobic and partially sexist but plenty of us didn't even know or could conceive of the concept of sexuality or gender discrimination. We had simply picked up the language when we were little and used it for the sole reason we knew they were bad words. Then of course we grew up and realised that we couldn't run around calling people faggotcunts anymore but most people I know fought it. Despite the obvious hate behind the words most arguments are merely "but that wasn't the context we were using them in" etc. And to be fair it wasn't, I doubt any of us had purposely homophobic or sexist intentions, though that didn't make it any more acceptable. The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't the fact that you're trying to make people less bigoted that sets them off, rather that you're trying to change them at all. people appreciate a status quote, and it's uncomfortable to get rid of it when it's been around for so long.
"Despite the obvious hate behind the words most arguments are merely "but that wasn't the context we were using them in" etc. And to be fair it wasn't, I doubt any of us had purposely homophobic or sexist intentions, though that didn't make it any more acceptable."

You know, you might be right... I wonder if I apply this reasoning to any other potential daily confrontation, would it makes things better?

Running down a street and its not an emergency I'm just a bit impatient. I bump into someone, knocking them down. I didn't mean to knock them down, the running was intended to get me somewhere faster not to bowl over passer-bys. I don't bother apologising or help them out as obviously I didn't do anything wrong, they're just being unreasonable when they give me dirty looks and shout after me calling be an ignorant brute. I also don't slow down as the well being of everyone around me is not my responsibility.

Wow, the release of that burden makes me feel so much better.

So I just broke a window after kicking a ball. I was kicking it off a wall and I didn't mean for it to go through the window. Because obviously I didn't mean it, I won't tell the owners of the damaged window, apologise about it and offer to pay it off in some way or form. Whats more, I won't take a break from kicking the ball around (don't ask how I got it back) or kick it an area less susceptible to damage, as the property around me isn't my responsibility.

That certainly makes me feel better, especially the fact I don't have the angry person who owns the window.

So I was chatting with my friends when, in jest, I said something along the lines of "your mom has aids" to one of them. Everything went awkwardly silent, until another one of the group came over and planted his fist in my Face. Whats his problem? So what if his sister has HIV, I obviously didn't mean offend him, it was obviously a crude joke that wasn't completely out of nowhere, directed at the other friend who doesn't have a terminally ill family member. I didn't deserve to have my nose rearranged because he takes such things to heart. I also won't keep check of what I say, because other peoples feelings are not my responsibility.

Wait... wait a minute! This makes me sound like an asshole.
 

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Ragsnstitches said:
Did you thoroughly read my post? I specifically said that type of argument didn't fly, I even said that that didn't make it any more acceptable. It was merely what people immediately jumped to when confronted with their problematic language. My point was that people didn't want to keep the ability to call each other faggots or cunts because they're homophobic or sexist but rather because people hate having the status quote disrupted.
 

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him over there said:
My point was that people didn't want to keep the ability to call each other faggots or cunts because they're homophobic or sexist but rather because people hate having the status quote disrupted.
I think he's suggesting that's not a particularly interesting or sympathetic defense.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
him over there said:
My point was that people didn't want to keep the ability to call each other faggots or cunts because they're homophobic or sexist but rather because people hate having the status quote disrupted.
I think he's suggesting that's not a particularly interesting or sympathetic defense.
Oh, that wasn't a defense so much as me trying to establish a cause for these fucking online hate mobs. I wasn't saying that to defend them, rather explain them.
 

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What we really need is some "real" feminists to come forward. Women who have been fighting for equality over the years without feeling the need to make bullshit statistics or claims, or make documentaries which aim to manipulate instead of provoke thought.
*raises hand?*

Mostly keeping on the down-low. There's no talking to any of these people anyway. Fun fact I've discovered about the internet: I have not ONCE ever seen ANYONE say, "You know what? You're right."

It's always like "Fair point, but..." At best.
 

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Zydrate said:
It's always like "Fair point, but..."
Fair point, but people have a hard time reaching consensus, especially when you take opinion polarization into account.