Final Fantasy and why it is enjoyed.

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MintyFreshBreathGuy

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Trace2010 said:
SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS (Sorry I didn't have time to create a new post- I also don't know how :( ):

I need a little advice...

What is the difference between the XBOX 360 that is $200, $400, $600 US? What is the extra memory necessary/most used for?

I need some expert advice on buying a raffle item for my group's Christmas concert? All suggestions would be helpful.
If you want to make a new post go to (in this case the gaming discussion forums) and look for a little button at the top right of the screen it'll say "New Topic."
 

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MintyFreshBreathGuy said:
Trace2010 said:
SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS (Sorry I didn't have time to create a new post- I also don't know how :( ):

I need a little advice...

What is the difference between the XBOX 360 that is $200, $400, $600 US? What is the extra memory necessary/most used for?

I need some expert advice on buying a raffle item for my group's Christmas concert? All suggestions would be helpful.
If you want to make a new post go to (in this case the gaming discussion forums) and look for a little button at the top right of the screen it'll say "New Topic."
Thank you very much...you have saved my life. Post opened!!
 

MintyFreshBreathGuy

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Trace2010 said:
MintyFreshBreathGuy said:
Trace2010 said:
SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS SOS (Sorry I didn't have time to create a new post- I also don't know how :( ):

I need a little advice...

What is the difference between the XBOX 360 that is $200, $400, $600 US? What is the extra memory necessary/most used for?

I need some expert advice on buying a raffle item for my group's Christmas concert? All suggestions would be helpful.
If you want to make a new post go to (in this case the gaming discussion forums) and look for a little button at the top right of the screen it'll say "New Topic."
Thank you very much...you have saved my life. Post opened!!
I'd help once again with your 360 problem but I don't really know much about them.
 

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People like FF games because even when they're bad, they're still pretty good. You just don't get that kind of consistent quality from most games. Making each game in a new world with a mix of familiar and novel mechanics has also worked well for them.

As for that oh-so-loved seventh installment, it isn't one of my favorite games or even one of my favorite Final Fantasy games but I do believe it is an important and highly significant game for several reasons. It helped the FF series, and RPGs in general, break out of the niche they were in and become more mainstream. Some might argue this has actually hurt the genre overall (because being mainstream is 'lame' or whatever) but you can't refute the sudden deluge of RPG titles which were made following FF7. If we hadn't all played FF7 I doubt we'd have gotten to play Xenogears, and that would just be sad. It's the same as how almost all current western-made RPGs owe their success in part to Bioware for reviving the genre with Baldur's Gate, paving the way for such greats as Planescape: Torment.

FF7 is also interesting in it's profound ability to evoke strong emotional responses from the player, including real honest grief. Heavy, dramatic storytelling is the norm now but it wasn't always that way; FF7's narrative was quite unorthodox for it's day. The *permanent* death of Aeris was an unheard-of event in RPGs or any videogame really; sure you could kill off Tellah or General Leo and it's just a plot point, but not Aeris. That was like killing off Gwen Stacy. Just look at the typical reactions from FF fans and compare them to the five stages of grief:

Denial - "NO! Aeris can't possibly be dead!"

Anger - "Screw you Squaresoft! I'm never buying one of your games again!"

Bargaining - "Let's all sign this Bring Aeris Back petition and make Squarsoft fix the game!"

Depression - "Aeris is dead. Life has no meaning. I will never game again."

Acceptance - "Well, I guess it was a pretty good game overall."


For these reasons, FF7 deserves to be remembered and respected, no matter what your personal feelings towards the game are. Besides, I bet all the people who bash Final Fantasy games have never even actually played one.
 

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MintyFreshBreathGuy said:
ygetoff said:
this forum will probably never end...i've tended to notice that people never back down from opinions when they're on the internet...
Well its not that bad in this case it's not like a heated argument about opinions and ideas it's more on the lines of sharing them.
i suppose so. it IS remarkably civil.
 

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MintyFreshBreathGuy said:
We all know about Final Fantasy and its IMO overrated 7th game but I have to ask why exactly do/did people like that game. I just wanted to ask because I'm not a big fan of the game (but I don't hate it) and whenever I point out a flaw some one gets on my case about it. I know these people are just annoying @$$ fanboys/girls but there are people who aren't delusional that enjoy these games and I'd like to know why.
They're good
 

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Fruhstuck said:
MintyFreshBreathGuy said:
We all know about Final Fantasy and its IMO overrated 7th game but I have to ask why exactly do/did people like that game. I just wanted to ask because I'm not a big fan of the game (but I don't hate it) and whenever I point out a flaw some one gets on my case about it. I know these people are just annoying @$$ fanboys/girls but there are people who aren't delusional that enjoy these games and I'd like to know why.
They're good
Could you elaborate a bit.
 

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I find the grind relaxing. I spend far too much time in my head and the grind lets me switch off my brain and do something mindless for a couple of hours. It's just another form of escapism for me.
I thought I was the only one. High-five!

In more relevant news:

I love FFVII because it was the first serious game I ever played. It's what turned me into a gamer I think. It had a great story and I love turn based combat RPG's. That's really all I can say about it.
 

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Take my reply partially as an aggregate response to earlier comments.

I have a friend who dislikes FFVII, and he believes that most people really care for the game only because it represented a novel experience during their childhood. If they encountered FFVII as adults, they likely would not enjoy the game.

I think there's some merit to my friend's point, as I played FFVII when I was about 10 or 11. It was one of my first video games, and it appealed to a my imagination and sense of fantasy. Thus my experience with FFVII was pretty personal, and perhaps I enjoyed more so for those reasons as opposed to FFVII being an excellent game in its own right.

That being said, I feel that FFVII compares very favorably to most games in the market today. Square crafted an immense world populated by complex characters and driven by a fairly sophisticated plot that explored the consequences of man tampering with the environment, the dangers of corporate republics and genetic engineering, megalomania, love triangles, and numerous other themes I could go on listing. These days shevles are innundated with uncreative shooters that sometimes disturbingly erect universes populated by absolute good and evil. Yes, JRPGs dabble in those elements too; after all, the fantasy genre's main facet is the struggle between good and evil with the eventual triumph of good. However, JRPGs, paticularily FFVII, often present characters featuring a greater deal of nuance and complexity than other games.

To echo an earlier point, JRPGs are in a sense interactive fantasy novels. The games let players tool with fantastic magic and weapons. Square boasts very high production standards, investing a lot of resources in art design and research to create unique, authentic game universes. I can't think of many other companies who consistently produce highly acclaimed games.

I will agree that Squares games can present many frusterations. The player doesn't have a great deal of agency, and often the mini-games can come across as gimicky and pointless. Battles are by no means realistic, sometimes slow, and even ridiculously easy (Sephiroth should have been a much greater challenge, for example; I may note, however, that defeating the Emerald and Ruby WEAPONS requires huge investments of time and strategy). These JRPGs are certainly not for everyone, but I think people can benefit from experiencing them at least once. At the very least, JRPGs are cultural experiences that display sophisticated craftsmanship on the part of Japanese developers.
 

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I Like the stories and have been playing these games since I was at least 5. I still go back and replay the old ones and i still find them charming and enjoyable. I rarely find other games these days with stories that match up to that of Square's games, not just FF specifically, because face it, you can almost slap Final Fantasy on to many other JRPG's. Their stories always shine above the mounds of mundane and almost uninspired stories of many games these days. I like their characters because even the most simplistic of characters is still well thought out and complex, Kefka is a good example of a masterfully crafted villain.

I can acknowledge why some may mot like the games, it's something you have to get used to and be around a bit before you can appreciate them. The fans can get a little over the top but honestly I rarely meet die hard fans. The haters are no better than the fans though as there are times they spew out ignorant comments which even infuriate me.

None the less I like Final Fantasy like someone likes some other game franchise/genre. I will continue to enjoy their games until the Final one, and their stories, good or bad will be ingrains into my mind till the day I die. Played 7 once and it is still vividly in my head, impacts like that keep me enjoying their games for years to come.
 

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Jobz said:
I love FFVII because it was the first serious game I ever played. It's what turned me into a gamer I think. It had a great story and I love turn based combat RPG's. That's really all I can say about it.
I second that, it really was the first serious game I ever played, and was certainly the first game I ever cared about! I too think it is what turned me into a gamer, and more specifically an RPG lover.
 

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So what do you guys think about FF13, do you think it'll be crap or good. Personally I don't have my hopes up due to what they did to the characters in the last game.
 

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Returning to the subject of mistranslations... I like how Barret told Cloud to attack the Scorpion Guard while its tail is up. >_> (Just a minor grammatical error, I know.)

Also, Aerith's name is apparently pronounce E-a-rith.

And, um... VII and VIII are my favorites in the series, closely followed by X-2 (oh no I didn't!).
 

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MintyFreshBreathGuy said:
So what do you guys think about FF13, do you think it'll be crap or good. Personally I don't have my hopes up due to what they did to the characters in the last game.
13's battle system looks promising. They stated that they were trying to create battles that were on par to that of what you saw in advent children. Thus far I am looking forward to 13. Versus 13 I am concerned as all we have been really shown are a few screens and a REALLY KICK ASS trailer. 13 Agito may be good, lots of party members and seems to be returning to the more traditional battle styles.

I do hope this Fabula nova Crystalis series turns out well, cmon square give another heavy hitter!! rekindle the FF6,7 feel!
 

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And, um... VII and VIII are my favorites in the series, closely followed by X-2 (oh no I didn't!).
FFX-2 felt like a 'chick game', however I will say this.
I LIKED there combat system. Out of all the FF games, That was probably one of the best combat systems they have ever had.
it WAS real time, It was very Strategic, It used a JOB & A Grid System, In many ways it combined some of the best ideas they have had when it concerns combat, and gameplay in one game.
 

MintyFreshBreathGuy

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That's what I mean by characters. They changed from focused people who just wanted to get this horrible evil mission over with while keeping Yuna alive. In the next game she became a pop-culture singer and... yeah I can go on and on abotu this but that's the basics of how I feel.
 

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MintyFreshBreathGuy said:
Personally I don't have my hopes up due to what they did to the characters in the last game.
Honestly, I see this a lot, and every time I do I feel inclined to link this
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=459841&topic=46066678

WARNING: Yes, this guy is a GIANT fanboy, so take it with a grain of salt, however he does have good points as to how the characters develop and proves they aren't just soul-less things following along with whatever Ashe does.