frat boy mentality-a plague on the gaming industry?

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AngloDoom

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I think Shin Megami Tensei's lack of popularity may be the fact that they basically never advertise.

The only reason I know the name is that a friend of mine went into Blockbuster's one day to rent a game when he was about fourteen and found Lucifer's Call with a picture of Dante from Devil May Cry on the front and bought it for that reason. I like the Shin Megami Tenseia lot and I always give their games a go, but they are never draw to my attention and I have to go search for them. Same with games like the Jade Cocoon series - I only knew of that because my friend's dad got him a shittily translated one from Japan and he loved fusing the monsters so much he bought it in England.

EDIT - Also, forgive my ignorance, but what the shit is a frat-boy?
 

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One of the worst examples I can come up with off of my head? Disgaea 3. got mainly mediocre reviews, but IGN gave it a 6. Why? Because it has sprite graphics. Thats all the reviewer talked about. He just kept on going on and on about how it's bad because it dosent have high definition graphics. Then it was put on their list of worst games of the year.
You mean this review [http://ps3.ign.com/articles/906/906760p1.html]? The funny thing is that he spends all of one paragraph talking about the graphics, and he doesn't complain about the game having sprite graphics; he complains that they were poorly implemented and the game as a whole was aesthetically unpleasant. Oh, and he goes on to criticize the controls, gameplay, mechanics, story, and narrative...

My thoughts on this: So "frat boys" who play games are ruining gaming because they like different kinds of games than you do? Lol.
 

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So you are mad because a game store owner didn't know about some obscure as hell game, and because the stuff you like isn't popular? Did I get that right?

Also, what the crap is wrong with Street Fighter?
If a gaming store is any good, they will order it in for you regardless of popularity

But yeah there is nothing wrong with Street Fighter.
 

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I havn't played many of the games the OP is complaining have been underrated, but there is a difference between a game having a non-realistic art direction and a game that genuinely looks like crap.
 

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I'm confused, with all these interesting new games coming out this year, at what point has gaming been ruined forever?
 

Sovvolf

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AngloDoom said:
EDIT - Also, forgive my ignorance, but what the shit is a frat-boy?
A chav.

I agree with the rest of what your saying though. Over here, games like that have little to no marketing. If you don't market your game... No one is going to know about it and they're just going to pass it by on the way through the store to by more well marketed games.

As for the O.P... is there much more to add that what as already been said?

Capcha: onsinei detention... I don't get it but I think I'm in trouble.
 

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Let me apply some of my broken logic to this.

Before gaming became mainstream:
The entire audience was considered a niche market, games were made, and profits were made by the gaming companies.
Gamers were considered dorks, by non-gamers for playing dorky games.

Now that gameing has become mainstream:
The mainstream market exists, consisting of both gamers from earlier on, and new gamers, who wouldn't have been gamers in the before time.
Gamers are considered dorks for playing dorky games, by people swearing to mainstream games (like the guy you mention at the ga,e store)
Gamers are not considered as much dorks by non-gamers, because they hardly know the difference between MW3, cooking mama, okami and duke nukem, and since all the "cool kids" are playing games, it has become somewhat acceptable, and the people still finding games generally dorky, would've found you weird whether games had become mainstream or not.

So basicly, you don't have any more social stigma than before, and probably less, if that kind of silly stuff actually bothers you.
If you find it hard, that people dislike stuff you like, and can't stand the thougth of something you like not beeing popular, grow a pair, and some self-confidence, and stop careing what all the retards you don't care about in the first place thinks about you.

The niche market still exists, if people have moved from niche games, to more mainstream games, even though both are stil avalible, it's probably because they prefer the more mainstream games.
As long as theres still costumers for the niche markets, games will be made and sold for it.
If you think
"But what if everyone jumps to mainstream games, leaving me and a fw others alone, and not large enough in numbers to support the market, our games will disapear, the HORROR!"
Then you are right, games will most likely not be made, if they're not profitable, but to be fair, wouldn't you feel just a tiny bit like a spoiled brat, if you had to whine about people not spending their time and wasting their money to make games for you, because you like them?
Or even worse, how would you feel, if you wanted to force peopel to play games they found inferrior, by removing the ones they liked, just to satisfy the consumer base needed, to produce what you liked?

More realisticly, the niche market, as stated, still exists. Your games are still avalible, maybe not in every store, but they weren't aither, before gameing became mainstream, gameing stores were niche stores back then.
And can you honestly say, that you don't like any mainstream games at all? Games that wouldn't have existsed, if it wasn't for the mainstream consumers (hint, most AAA titles are not niche games, whetehr it's MW3, Skyrim, Zelda etc)

On a last note, the graphics in niche games beeing lower than those of mainstream games is simply a result of the market not netting enough profit, to spend tons of money on those titles, the alternative, would be extremely high prices for a niche game.

P.s when i use "you" it's in a rethorical sense, if what "you" implies doesn't seem to describe you, it's not you specificly i'm talking about.
This is about the general image i get from different rants/whining i've seen in several different posts and trheads, and therefore not aimed at one specific person, so if you don't think this applies to you, don't quote to tell me i have no idea what you think, i already know i don't.
 

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I'm going to point out a popular, successful, low graphic niche game that breaks any "Niche games can't be popular or successful or they wouldn't be niche games" argument.

Minecraft.

There you go, low end graphics, niche, popular and successful and Notch isn't even done with it yet.
 

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Jaime_Wolf said:
Personally, I think that people arguing this line of reasoning do just as much harm as the people they're opposing.

Creative games are nice. Visuals don't need to be high-definition to be interesting.

But that doesn't mean that they can't be high-definition and interesting. Some of the best, most artistic games I've ever played have involved muscular white males with five-o'clock shadow. Does this mean that that's the only kind of game that should be made? Of course not.

But it certainly isn't "plaguing" the industry. There are plenty of other games coming out too. It's like you subscribed to cable to watch your favourite channel, but then called up to complain that there were other channels you didn't like and that, god forbid, they were on lower numbers than your favourite. Only simplistic cretins would enjoy those channels and it pains your refined sensibilities that they should be given more prominent numbers.

This sort of gaming elitism (almost invariably with social and intellectual elitism thrown in) smacks of oversimplification, makes what would otherwise be the best examples of gamers look bad, and ultimately helps no one.
Best reply in thread.
 

The Lunatic

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It's worth noting that Disgaea 3 has a 78 on Metacritic and a "User score" of 5.6.

Now, given the "User Score" for an obscure game is likely to be people who'd bought and are fans of the previous games.

You think it's at all possible that it's just not a very good game in most people's eyes?
 

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Sovvolf said:
AngloDoom said:
EDIT - Also, forgive my ignorance, but what the shit is a frat-boy?
A chav.

I agree with the rest of what your saying though. Over here, games like that have little to no marketing. If you don't market your game... No one is going to know about it and they're just going to pass it by on the way through the store to by more well marketed games.

As for the O.P... is there much more to add that what as already been said?

Capcha: onsinei detention... I don't get it but I think I'm in trouble.
like what? every time i post i get a bunch of replies and hate mail saying im a idiot, i dont deserve to play games, etc.
 

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RaikuFA said:
like what? every time i post i get a bunch of replies and hate mail saying im a idiot, i dont deserve to play games, etc.
That wasn't it but honestly... Thats no different from what your doing to these so called frat boys.
 

RaikuFA

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Sovvolf said:
RaikuFA said:
like what? every time i post i get a bunch of replies and hate mail saying im a idiot, i dont deserve to play games, etc.
That wasn't it but honestly... Thats no different from what your doing to these so called frat boys.
actually what i want is for game that people see as "generic weeaboo games" to be given a chance because if they arent, then the companies will stop making them or not even bring them over
 

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RaikuFA said:
Sovvolf said:
RaikuFA said:
like what? every time i post i get a bunch of replies and hate mail saying im a idiot, i dont deserve to play games, etc.
That wasn't it but honestly... Thats no different from what your doing to these so called frat boys.
actually what i want is for game that people see as "generic weeaboo games" to be given a chance because if they arent, then the companies will stop making them or not even bring them over
And you do this by calling those that have differing opinions to yours on what is and isn't a good game or a game they want to play "Frat boys" and then labelling games like CoD or Street Fighter as piss poor because its more popular than the niche games you like?

Do you not see the similarities to what your doing and what everyone else is doing. You through a jiddy fit because a gamespot employee didn't like the game you liked. People here are getting on at your for not liking a game they liked...

Its not as fun when your on the recieving end is it?
 

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The Lunatic said:
It's worth noting that Disgaea 3 has a 78 on Metacritic and a "User score" of 5.6.

Now, given the "User Score" for an obscure game is likely to be people who'd bought and are fans of the previous games.

You think it's at all possible that it's just not a very good game in most people's eyes?
did you read those two reviews? they both said nothing on why the game was bad, one even said "luckly i have it for psp, cause its better on there" hint: its not on psp. the other one says "i guess i just dont like SRPGs" then gave it a zero based on that. then just goes on about how the voicing is suicide inducing. thats not a review, thats being an idiot
 

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Sovvolf said:
RaikuFA said:
Sovvolf said:
RaikuFA said:
like what? every time i post i get a bunch of replies and hate mail saying im a idiot, i dont deserve to play games, etc.
That wasn't it but honestly... Thats no different from what your doing to these so called frat boys.
actually what i want is for game that people see as "generic weeaboo games" to be given a chance because if they arent, then the companies will stop making them or not even bring them over
And you do this by calling those that have differing opinions to yours on what is and isn't a good game or a game they want to play "Frat boys" and then labelling games like CoD or Street Fighter as piss poor because its more popular than the niche games you like?

Do you not see the similarities to what your doing and what everyone else is doing. You through a jiddy fit because a gamespot employee didn't like the game you liked. People here are getting on at your for not liking a game they liked...

Its not as fun when your on the recieving end is it?
im always on the recieving end. my choices are always considered bad because they dont have "blood and guts being splattered all over the place" but yeah, i guess i have to like street fighter to stop the death threats, right?
 

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RaikuFA said:
did you read those two reviews? they both said nothing on why the game was bad, one even said "luckly i have it for psp, cause its better on there" hint: its not on psp. the other one says "i guess i just dont like SRPGs" then gave it a zero based on that. then just goes on about how the voicing is suicide inducing. thats not a review, thats being an idiot
You don't really seem to be getting it.

You're basically saying that because somebody doesn't agree with you, they're wrong.

That's just not how opinions work I'm afraid.

And reviews ultimately are that, opinions.

When it comes down to it, most people are of the opinion that they like certain things.

Most gamers, enjoy shooters, most gamers play on the most recent consoles, most gamers prefer 3D graphics over 2D ones.

So, yes, when something comes out that isn't agreeable to most, people are going to disagree with it. It's really a case of markets.

If you want reviews that favour your game, you're probably better off sticking to the Japanese reviews as their market is more favourable to such things. And at the end of the day, if you enjoy what you enjoy, what do you care what the average gamer thinks?
 

RaikuFA

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The Lunatic said:
RaikuFA said:
did you read those two reviews? they both said nothing on why the game was bad, one even said "luckly i have it for psp, cause its better on there" hint: its not on psp. the other one says "i guess i just dont like SRPGs" then gave it a zero based on that. then just goes on about how the voicing is suicide inducing. thats not a review, thats being an idiot
You don't really seem to be getting it.

You're basically saying that because somebody doesn't agree with you, they're wrong.

That's just not how opinions work I'm afraid.

And reviews ultimately are that, opinions.

When it comes down to it, most people are of the opinion that they like certain things.

Most gamers, enjoy shooters, most gamers play on the most recent consoles, most gamers prefer 3D graphics over 2D ones.

So, yes, when something comes out that isn't agreeable to most, people are going to disagree with it. It's really a case of markets.

If you want reviews that favour your game, you're probably better off sticking to the Japanese reviews as their market is more favourable to such things. And at the end of the day, if you enjoy what you enjoy, what do you care what the average gamer thinks?
i agree with that. my worry is though that games that are from japan that actually seem good or already made it over and its sequels wont because companies realize milking their other games will make things instantly better with the fanbase. case in point, capcom, they refuse to release ace attorney investigations 2 because it dosent sell here despite the fact that the reason it didnt sell is because it wasnt advertised, it does not help that its fanbase is extremly vocal and very supportive of the series. then they put phoenix wright in UMVC3 and expect us to be happy with just that

i think we need another Psychonauts event, where the media bashes the public for not getting a game that is considered good. i wanted to but i think i went about it all wrong