Fuck the Critics (Sucker Punch Rant)

[carletonman]

Just to add to the whole critics vs. audiences arguement, I hopped over to rotten tomatoes, which is usually a pretty good barometer on how good movies are, and lo and behold, the critics hate it (20% fresh rating) whereas the "audience" has given it 76% (which in my opinion isn't too shabby). I think the problem here is that most critics aren't really looking beyond the whole "somewhat scantly clad females in combat" shlock, and looking at what's going underneath. Yes it's not Dinner With Andre, but you know what, it's not a Michael Bay movie either...

 

[Saelune]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

 

[WanderingFool]

Really, I just watch reviews to get a basic image of the movie/videogame. Rarely do I actually let the movie determine if I watch a movie or not, or if I buy, rent, or skip a game completely.

But I still hate it when critics impress their own views and opinions. Yes, I would like your thoughts, but I dont want you to fucking shove it down my throat. Like with The Expendables, I liked the movie, it was kind of trash, and alot of potential basically went the way of all those potential geniuses that got shot onto the headboard, I still liked it. But when Bob went and basically said anyone who watches this movie over Scott Pilgrim is the worse kind of person imaginable, I think I deserve to be offended, thick skin or not. Its not a matter of if a person is actually emotionally hurt by the insult, its the audacity that you claim such a statement as if you are superior.

If you are going to insult a movie, do so to your hearts content, but for fuck's sake, dont go saying people are morons for wanting to see it, and enjoying it. Everybody has different tastes, some like The Expendables and hate Scott Pilgrim, others vice versa.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

For the record, no, I have not yet seen Sucker Punch.

Fix this. As soon as possible.

 

[moviedork]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

 

[rbstewart7263]

I find it a bit ironic that this rant is indirectly linked to a MovieBob review. He insults various audiences all the time. Yeah, it's pretty rude when reviewers do this, but the bottom line is that EVERY reviewer is biased, has stuff they don't like, and will likely hold people who do like what they don't with disdain. I'm not going to flip off reviewers for the matter because everybody does it. As much as you poopoo the concept, you've probably done the exact same thing before, or at the very least thought it.

Mayhap that is the common practice however I dont believe that just because something is accepted by the majority that that makes said thing ok to do.

Paparazzi's treatment of celebs personal lives is an example of this.

 

[Saelune]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.

 

[moviedork]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.

That's part of having a collaborative effort, if you miss the beginning, you can have someone else keep you posted on what they had missed.

 

[s0m3th1ng]

Uhhh...I wouldn't call these dick-bags "professional reviewers"
It's more like a bunch of drunk frat boys sitting around trashing what they don't like.
So...yeah.

 

[Saelune]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.

That's part of having a collaborative effort, if you miss the beginning, you can have someone else keep you posted on what they had missed.

Or he could back off and omit from reviewing, or re-see it all the way through. Im not going to bother with a review from someone who is bad at his job like that.

 

[Taerdin]

I can agree that it's going to far to insult an audience over a movie. Straight up insulting people is really just unprofessional and rude.

But I always wonder to what degree we are influenced by the media. I mean... yes I want to go see a movie, or buy something, but how much of that is my own decision and how much of it is the influence of the media? Then I look at the music industry, see people who write terrible lyrics, have uninspired backing music, and can't sing to save their lives so they use autotune and I wonder... is that what people truly want to listen to and experience? Does that actually move them on some level or speak to their souls? The only logical explanation to me is that the media has some amount of control over the general population.

I don't mean so far as mind control, like they could make pepole jump off bridges. But the power of suggestion is really strong, especially on those who are weak minded. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free.

Yes I know no one's actually going to read or respond to this post, but whatever.

 

[moviedork]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.

That's part of having a collaborative effort, if you miss the beginning, you can have someone else keep you posted on what they had missed.

Or he could back off and omit from reviewing, or re-see it all the way through. Im not going to bother with a review from someone who is bad at his job like that.

The man you are talking about is named Korey. He runs the site, edits the reviews and podcasts, animates the video reviews, as well as coordinates events for the site. Don't bother telling me that he doesn't do his job well, when you don't even know half of the behind the scenes details.

 

[Atmos Duality]

When critics start directly insulting the audience just for seeing a movie, it's time to stop and call their credibility into question.

I did this to MovieBob last year when he projected his rage against the country because Scott Pilgrim was being beaten out by the summer's big junk food action movie.

I respect the passion one might have for certain pieces of cinema, but that does not empower you enough to start slinging condescension against a group for not sharing *your* taste.
Make your recommendation, back it up and stick to the brass facts.
If I, right now, started typing my rage for every single movie that I thought was worthy but ended up getting passed over, and beaten out by something more shallow and popular, I would probably stop typing this response sometime next year.

That said...
Critics are being outraged, pandering assholes right now because Sucker Punch is an obvious target. I hated the trailer the moment I saw it, not because what I saw looked bad, but because I felt it was marketed directly for me. Years of mistrust and disappointment has left me feeling cautious about such movies, and only rarely do they turnabout and surprise me.
I imagine that to an older generation, this must seem even worse; as a special-effects extravaganza that shows a lot but says virtually nothing (no story, no substance, but lots of bling on screen).
At least, those are my thoughts based on a few reviews I've read, and the trailer; I haven't seen Sucker Punch yet since I've already spent my annual trip to the cinema on Paul (and it was a fucking awesome movie).

 

[Knife]

I can agree that it's going to far to insult an audience over a movie. Straight up insulting people is really just unprofessional and rude.

But I always wonder to what degree we are influenced by the media. I mean... yes I want to go see a movie, or buy something, but how much of that is my own decision and how much of it is the influence of the media? Then I look at the music industry, see people who write terrible lyrics, have uninspired backing music, and can't sing to save their lives so they use autotune and I wonder... is that what people truly want to listen to and experience? Does that actually move them on some level or speak to their souls? The only logical explanation to me is that the media has some amount of control over the general population.

I don't mean so far as mind control, like they could make pepole jump off bridges. But the power of suggestion is really strong, especially on those who are weak minded. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free.

Yes I know no one's actually going to read or respond to this post, but whatever.

The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.
I think you give the media too much credit, some people just have really bad taste.
And others just want to participate in whats popular hoping it would rub off on them somehow.

 

[Saelune]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.

That's part of having a collaborative effort, if you miss the beginning, you can have someone else keep you posted on what they had missed.

Or he could back off and omit from reviewing, or re-see it all the way through. Im not going to bother with a review from someone who is bad at his job like that.

The man you are talking about is named Korey. He runs the site, edits the reviews and podcasts, animates the video reviews, as well as coordinates events for the site. Don't bother telling me that he doesn't do his job well, when you don't even know half of the behind the scenes details.

So I should not criticize something I dont fully know about? Sounds familiar...

 

[RobMalibu]

first off I didn't end up reading all the posts...

As much as I can't stand critics and generally don't agree with them, I do admit that it is their opinion that they are being paid for. And yes it pisses me off to no end when a critic insults the people that go and watch a particular movie and enjoy it, but honestly there is not one of us out there that doesn't do the same thing. I do when I think about stupid trash shows like the Jersey Shore. I think it is the lowest form of entertainment and a sign of the end of the world, and the people who enjoy it need their heads examined.

Ya it might piss you off when some douchebag critic *cough*moviebob*cough* insults half the internet for liking the expendables, but that is his right to do so in this day and age.

 

[Taerdin]

I think you give the media too much credit, some people just have really bad taste.
And others just want to participate in whats popular hoping it would rub off on them somehow.

I think it's a little naive to think that the media has no influence on anyone. I mean if you watch a '30 min' show, you're getting 9 minutes of advertising. That adds up, especially if you watch a lot of TV, it probably easily adds up to years over some people's lifetimes.

I don't think hardly anyone who likes someone or something that's popular would tell you that they only like it to participate in whats popular or whatever. I think that they literally can't see beyond what the media puts in front of them. For instance when I was younger I didn't realise there was anything beyond what was in pop culture really, luckily I had friends who got me into some much more fufilling things, like actually meaningful music, movies, and games.

 

[mireko]

Observation #1: MovieBob loves a lot of really eh-to-awful movies (Surrogates, Gamer, Boondock Saints II, Red Riding Hood, Splice, Predators).

Observation #2: Spill reviews are boring.

Observation #3: Thread is misnamed. Implies OMG WHY DON'T CRITICS AGREE WITH ME post when it's actually more along the lines of certain critics reviewing the audience, which was a pretty big (and annoying) problem when Scott Pilgrim was released.

[sub]Observation #4: This movie looks bad, but I haven't seen it and probably won't so I won't judge it just yet. That said, this movie looks baaaaaad.[/sub]

 

[moviedork]

These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.

Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.

Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.

which they did.

Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.

That's part of having a collaborative effort, if you miss the beginning, you can have someone else keep you posted on what they had missed.

Or he could back off and omit from reviewing, or re-see it all the way through. Im not going to bother with a review from someone who is bad at his job like that.

The man you are talking about is named Korey. He runs the site, edits the reviews and podcasts, animates the video reviews, as well as coordinates events for the site. Don't bother telling me that he doesn't do his job well, when you don't even know half of the behind the scenes details.

So I should not criticize something I dont fully know about? Sounds familiar...

But you're basing his job on one review, when he's been a critic for over 10 years. That's like judging something based on a single-framed imaged.

 

[Catalyst6]

If you enjoy the movie then don't worry about critics. They always have differing opinions based on their taste.

For example, me and MovieBob. We both agree on quite a few points. We also differ quite a bit. He loved Avatar, I thought that it was a insipid movie designed to wring out money from sci-fi geeks and keep them from walking out by throwing up mind-numbing CGI. It's all in your tastes.