Well you can just taze me then!Mr.Tea said:
I don't think it's that big of a deal. If humanity really is going downhill all you need to do is put your hands up, scream, and enjoy the ride.
Future of good movies is grim due to kids and teens
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I don't think it's that big of a deal. If humanity really is going downhill all you need to do is put your hands up, scream, and enjoy the ride.
I know that when I was 13 and 14 years old, I would have found many of the movies I love to be stupid. For example, if I showed 13 year old me "The Godfather" or "Memento", I would have been so bored. I also look at the movies I enjoyed when I was 13, and they were mindless. Sometimes I even like the movies I liked back then, but for different reasons. I think alot of us can see how our tastes evolved as we got older and gained more life experience. I imagine the same will happen to next generation. In other words, they'll look back at their Twilight or Transformers obsession and say "I can see why I liked it, but it's definitely not what I would enjoy today".
I'm 19 and heavily involved in my university film-making society. The society president this year, and the one last year (who is still involved now), both study the subject and know what they're talking about. Last year we had a social to see The Godfather at a local cinema, anyone from West Yorkshire will have heard of it. The Hyde Park Picture House, it's basically an old 20's style cinema that was done up and kept for the community, and still shows films in the classic style. They have some Hollywood stuff there occasionally, but mostly they show recent arthouse and film festival stuff, and older classics (like The Godfather). They recently held the Leeds International Film Festival as one of the main venues for the event. Anyway, sadly I missed the film showing last year as I couldn't find the picture house until it was too late (ironically, this year I live round the corner and pass it every day on my way to university).
But I digress. In the society we discuss proper film and we've had various screenings, and every Monday hold a joint screening with Italian Society showing classic Italian arthouse films (the Italian Society president is also a member of our society). We saw Citizen Kane last week and although I knew the 'Rosebud' spoiler, I absolutely loved it. The film was amazing and has got me hooked on Orson Welles now. Yesterday we saw a screening of an Irish film called Once, a musical film shot on an extremely low budget (only about $150,000 - not sure what that is in £s right now...). Again, it was brilliant. I saw Garden State with my housemates, we rented the DVD. It's a Hollywood film but you wouldn't think it, it was also shot on a low budget (it stars Zach Braff who was JD in Scrubs, and is also his writing and directorial debut). All of these films are classics and are amzing. They're the exact same films that the kids the OP describes would hate. But they're all worth watching and all give something amazing to you. Fine, I like some of the Hollywood high-octane explosions and CGI filled schlock and stuff like that. But nothing compares to the low budget masterpieces or the classics of years gone by, or the beauty of arthouse cinema. That's what the youth of today fail to realise. That's what we need to teach them.
But I digress. In the society we discuss proper film and we've had various screenings, and every Monday hold a joint screening with Italian Society showing classic Italian arthouse films (the Italian Society president is also a member of our society). We saw Citizen Kane last week and although I knew the 'Rosebud' spoiler, I absolutely loved it. The film was amazing and has got me hooked on Orson Welles now. Yesterday we saw a screening of an Irish film called Once, a musical film shot on an extremely low budget (only about $150,000 - not sure what that is in £s right now...). Again, it was brilliant. I saw Garden State with my housemates, we rented the DVD. It's a Hollywood film but you wouldn't think it, it was also shot on a low budget (it stars Zach Braff who was JD in Scrubs, and is also his writing and directorial debut). All of these films are classics and are amzing. They're the exact same films that the kids the OP describes would hate. But they're all worth watching and all give something amazing to you. Fine, I like some of the Hollywood high-octane explosions and CGI filled schlock and stuff like that. But nothing compares to the low budget masterpieces or the classics of years gone by, or the beauty of arthouse cinema. That's what the youth of today fail to realise. That's what we need to teach them.
Mostly gone in videogames? Don't be silly, that genre is still evolving and by nature it has to cater to the nerds. You can't seriously mean to say you think super mario brothers or LoZ:A link to the past has a more complicated plot than say, metal gear solid 4 (or any of the previous ones, kinda detracts from my point if I don't talk about current gen games though). Games like brutal legend and psychonaughts are almost entirely story driven, even the newer GTA games focus on character development and story far more than the older ones. No, plot has most certainly not been disapearing from the videogames medium. If you can't find games with involved stories your not looking very hard. No doubt more complicated themes and adult issues will be dealt with as the genre painstakingly removes itself from the 'kids toys' steriotype so strongly associated with it.nrp44 said:
As for films, yes there have been better and worse years (especially better), but I don't think it's fair to say intricate plotlines are 'slowly disapearing' from films. History forgets the crappy movies of yesteryear (other than those we love for being crappy). In 10 years time nobody will remember all this twilight and transformers hype and people will probably be complaining that we haven't had enough films of similar quality to Distict 9 or Public Enemies.
I've had a lot of experiences similar to this.
Too bad you couldn't have met me back in the day. I was an awesome kid. My dad made sure that he imbued all of his generation's pop culture knowledge into me before I even began soaking up my own generation's. I guess I've always had a bit of an old soul, though. I was probably the only fourteen year old I've ever met who went through a western phase. I could never stand talking to my peers about anything, and still seem to have trouble with it.
Too bad you couldn't have met me back in the day. I was an awesome kid. My dad made sure that he imbued all of his generation's pop culture knowledge into me before I even began soaking up my own generation's. I guess I've always had a bit of an old soul, though. I was probably the only fourteen year old I've ever met who went through a western phase. I could never stand talking to my peers about anything, and still seem to have trouble with it.
I'm assuming this was directed at me, sir.nrp44 said:
I'm not bashing your opinion, I simply asked a question. Whatever happened to "To each his own", "Let bygones be bygones", and "Live and let live"? Whenever someone loses their cool about someone else having a differing opinion, I can't help but wonder. To me, it just seems like the equivalent of a person saying that these "other people" are stupid and crazy because they would dare to prefer the blue crayon to the red one.
Well your comment is bland.nrp44 said:
This metaphor would work so much better if blue crayons didn't suck.SharPhoe said:
Broken or not, the crayon still colors just the same. Besides that, what they choose to do is their prerogative, not yours. As I said before, getting upset because some doesn't do or like what you think they should is nothing but needless stress.nrp44 said:
Feel free to switch the items out with those of your choice. My point still stands.feather240 said:
I'd pretty much say that different people mature differently.
Also, from a sociological perspective, it can be very "dangerous" to live outside the "norm" even if the norm is dull, boring, and full of explosions/hotness.
Popular culture is... well, just that... popular. Right now, our society seems to give much more authority to fame than it does to other things. Whether this is "right" or "wrong" isn't the point though. Ummm, yeah, that's pretty much it.
The movies aren't "bad." It's all subjective in the end anyway.
Oh, I did have a point. We also live in an age where people are cynical enough to think that everything has been done before. It's called post modernism and it does lead to a lot of remakes - in an English class recently I read a book called "Jack Maggs" which was essentially a retelling of Dickens' book "Great Expectations" but with more modern themes and such. The plot, however, was essentially the same. There was a point in there somewhere.
Also, from a sociological perspective, it can be very "dangerous" to live outside the "norm" even if the norm is dull, boring, and full of explosions/hotness.
Popular culture is... well, just that... popular. Right now, our society seems to give much more authority to fame than it does to other things. Whether this is "right" or "wrong" isn't the point though. Ummm, yeah, that's pretty much it.
The movies aren't "bad." It's all subjective in the end anyway.
Oh, I did have a point. We also live in an age where people are cynical enough to think that everything has been done before. It's called post modernism and it does lead to a lot of remakes - in an English class recently I read a book called "Jack Maggs" which was essentially a retelling of Dickens' book "Great Expectations" but with more modern themes and such. The plot, however, was essentially the same. There was a point in there somewhere.
Can I remind this thread that both Zombieland and District 9 were made this year?
I mean, sure Transformers 2 and Twilight 2 were sort of dumb, and they both did ridiculously well, but they're popcorn movies made from subjects that are important to our geek culture - action figures and vampires.
But Zombieland and District 9, which were absolutely amazing, both did really well too.
I mean, sure Transformers 2 and Twilight 2 were sort of dumb, and they both did ridiculously well, but they're popcorn movies made from subjects that are important to our geek culture - action figures and vampires.
But Zombieland and District 9, which were absolutely amazing, both did really well too.
You guys make me scared to be a writer haha Actually It's not you, it's other authors who have more experience lol
Couple of points coming at ya:
1) There will always be exploitation films (Tarentino knows this) that get undeserved attention whether it was during your parents generation, your generation, or the one after yours. So long as Hollywood directors like money, this will continue.
2) Kids at school (especially middle school) are prone to peer pressure. Perhaps Transformers2 or New Moon wasn't their favorite movie, but to fit in (and get free conversation fodder) with their friends they won't admit that they secretly loved and cried when they watched Titanic. Plus its only a 'stupid' homework assignment, so they don't have much of a reason to admit they've memorized "My heart will go on"
3) Don't flatter yourself. I won't either. We all watched and "loved" crappy movies because our friends did. Watch a Pokemon movie again. Ugh, terrible. Yet I watched and said I liked it because it was popular.
They're kids: they don't yet feel comfortable expressing what they like individually.
1) There will always be exploitation films (Tarentino knows this) that get undeserved attention whether it was during your parents generation, your generation, or the one after yours. So long as Hollywood directors like money, this will continue.
2) Kids at school (especially middle school) are prone to peer pressure. Perhaps Transformers2 or New Moon wasn't their favorite movie, but to fit in (and get free conversation fodder) with their friends they won't admit that they secretly loved and cried when they watched Titanic. Plus its only a 'stupid' homework assignment, so they don't have much of a reason to admit they've memorized "My heart will go on"
3) Don't flatter yourself. I won't either. We all watched and "loved" crappy movies because our friends did. Watch a Pokemon movie again. Ugh, terrible. Yet I watched and said I liked it because it was popular.
They're kids: they don't yet feel comfortable expressing what they like individually.
I actually have to agree with you. Even in middle school I understood the concept of strong character development, something to make you want to care about why the cop was chasing the murderer or whatever. Nowadays, everyone just expects information to be given to them, they don't want to work for it. Good guys are in white hats, bad guys are in black hats, they don't like eachother, so they're gonna kill eachother, that's your story. It's almost degrading to what can be done with certain forms of cinema and literature.
Before I get hit with saying I'm part of an old generation saying mine is best, I am not. I saw this trend as I was coming out of high school, and by extension, saw my very faith in humanity dwindle to almost nothing.
Before I get hit with saying I'm part of an old generation saying mine is best, I am not. I saw this trend as I was coming out of high school, and by extension, saw my very faith in humanity dwindle to almost nothing.