Gays and Homophobia

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WTF!!

Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.

Why can't you see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because you want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.

*sigh* (btw.. you're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)
While everyone experiences harrassment due to individual quirks. Homosexuals are more concerned with a lack of rights. No one has been excuted for wearing glasses since Hitler but people can still be killed for being homosexual. It is these issues which concerns the Homosexual Community.
WHAT lack of right.. you have them now... what's the issue?

You REALLY want to talk about lack of right????..

Try being a single, hetro white guy...... we ARE fucked.
Now I'm curious. Running for government, easier for the hetero white guy. Getting a job, no more difficult. Getting arrested. Just as easy. Explain to me how it's different. I'm not saying we don't have rights. We do. About the same ones in the UK. But how is it different being the average white male?
We don't have group shouting to keep us in the lime light.. we don't have SPECIAL laws made for us to make sure we get put at the top of the pile. (infact as far as getting a job in the uk is concerned it is now LEGAL to positively discriminate in favour of EVERYOTHER GROUP of society.. which equals NEGATIVE discrimination against hetro white male.. look it up, these laws passed '08)..

Jesus christ.. we can't even get accepted as an equally worthy parent.. so don't give me shit about how we're the better off. You ought to get your ACTUAL facts straight instead of trotting out the same old tired bullshit that hasn't been true for longer that you'd be willing to admit.
I was being perfectly civil. And it's not a law passed to positively discriminate in society to every other group, it's a law requiring that people be treated fairly on their qualifications. Seriously, the only laws/grants I can name that exist to get people into work via positive discrimination involve disabled people. I never once said you were better off, I asked how it was different to being bisexual. I don't want someone shouting to keep me in the limelight because frankly I don't give a shit if people know or not. If they ask, i'll be honest, but that's different. Frankly it's the same old cry from the lower and middle class in the majority. "ALL FOR THEM NONE FOR ME". It's BULLSHIT to assume a company would hire an employee purely on his/her race, religion, sexuality or gender. Honestly. I don't get special treatment and neither do you. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.
Seriously.. that's NOT the definition of the law at all.

You should know what your talking about in this issue.. I certainly do.. and what I stated is quite correct I assure you.

If gays want a TRUELY equal society.. stop shouting about it...cos all a lot of people hear (and yes, I include myself) is.."We're special, listen to us"

Anyway.. if you honestly DON'T know th full scope of your legal situation in relation to others.. then there's no point arguing about it til you've at least found out.
Could you atleast tell the guy the name of the law that you're talking about, as well as the country?
 

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Hair is a genetic trait not a genetic deformity, carried by both parents. I dont believe there to be a "gay gene", because there would be a lot more gays in the world today, then there are now[Essentially in your theory, A gay person for every brunette and red haired person (highly unlikely)]. A mutation or defect, is a more sensible cause, due to the amount of the gay population.
Not necessarily Huntington's is genetic but quite rare, so are albinoes (Also some genes need to only be carried by one parent and be dominant). And on a side note do you know where I could find this research I would love to read what research has gone into it, and would it contain the test conditions and the test itself of how they developed their theory on homosexuality being part of human nueral wiring.

OT: As I said there are many rare genetic conditions and the medical definition for a defect is something which impedes biological, mental, chemical..etc function. Do you believe homosexxuality does so?
Yeah, but hair is carried by both parents, regardless. Most genes are. But i never said being gay was a genetic thing. Brain defects occur in many ways. Im simply making you think critically. And if you want to know about this study, go to a library and pick up a psychology textbook (a modern one, mind.). There should be something on it, in there. Im not here to debate with you on how its caused, im giving you my opinion and letting you derive an answer from yourself. You cant believe everything others tell you, but you cant deny that there is some relevance to what they say.
That is fair enough, and as you said this is only one of many theories. Why do you only choose this one and not any of the other theories?

Off Topic: I have browse a few Pyshcology books but none actually focus much on it being a mental defect, what textbook do you use for your classes? Shouldn't that contain it
Idk, its just called Introduction into psychology. I left it back in my dorm, but ill tell you who the author is, when i get back. And most other theories are just padded down with political liberal bullshit. I dont believe people to be raised gay by their parents, or their parents really having much of a personal affect to being gay. eg. if a parent treats their kid badly, he wont turn out gay.
 

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I could not care less if you decide to stick your thingy in the front or back....

People need to learn that no matter the circumstances if they put them selves into a minority, or are born into one, they are going to be belittled by the rest of society. There is no way this will ever change, people are dicks, and there are people who feel safer when they oppress others. Whilst this may only be 20% of the worlds population, it helps put people into power. It is 100% natural to discriminate against others, think back to our tribal state, if someone is going to disturb the peace, you remove them. If someone wants to invade on your power, you remove them. If someone wants to change the way things are done, your remove them. Humans were created to be defensive and cautious about who or what they let into their society.
 

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I could not care less if you decide to stick your thingy in the front or back....

People need to learn that no matter the circumstances if they put them selves into a minority, or are born into one, they are going to be belittled by the rest of society. There is no way this will ever change, people are dicks, and there are people who feel safer when they oppress others. Whilst this may only be 20% of the worlds population, it helps put people into power. It is 100% natural to discriminate against others, think back to our tribal state, if someone is going to disturb the peace, you remove them. If someone wants to invade on your power, you remove them. If someone wants to change the way things are done, your remove them. Humans were created to be defensive and cautious about who or what they let into their society.
Exactly. This is how alien invasions become successful. We just let them in without caution. Thats when the probing starts. And then boom! Society crumbles and our earth is drained of its resources.
 
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Idk, its just called Introduction into psychology. I left it back in my dorm, but ill tell you who the author is, when i get back. And most other theories are just padded down with political liberal bullshit. I dont believe people to be raised gay by their parents, or their parents really having much of a personal affect to being gay. eg. if a parent treats their kid badly, he wont turn out gay.
What about homosexuality being caused according to Povloving conditioning (Not sexual abuse, more experiences in life which has altered views about each sex, which was Frueud's belief [bit more to it but that's the general sense of it]) or, the now official positions of the American Pyshciatric and Psychology Associations, that it is a normal sexual variation due to no evidence to the contary? Why that belief in particular?
 

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I'm completely okay with gay people. I have gay friends, and I have no problem being friends with them or talking to them about their spouses or crushes. I do feel a little uncomfortable watching two men kiss or otherwise have pda's, but that just goes along with me being straight and liking women.
 

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Theres few things that annoy me more than loud and proud gays..
but they still should have the right to be married.
 

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as far as i'm concered, aslong as it's not rape or pedopehlia, have at w/e u want :p i myself, streight, but i do enjoy bi and lesbian women XP
 

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I'm for human rights, sexuality shouldn't factor into that one, and I just don't care if someone is gay or transgender. Bigger problems in the world, like hippies and idiots against nuclear energy for the dumbest reasons known to man... And hippies are a huge problem.
 

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I'm hetro and I agree with Redlin5, I don't care whatever sexual preference people may have as long as they don't make a show of it. I have gay and bi friends and it doesn't bother me at all as they act normally and not wearing their identity as a badge like some do.
 

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Straight, and I have no idea why what people get up to behind closed doors seems to be enough of an issue that getting down with someone of the same gender affects what rights you have as a person.

There's absolutely no reason an LGBT person should have different rights to a straight person. That said, I don't particularly like seeing people getting really affectionate in public. Hand-holding, hugging, sure, but some stuff belongs in private. I don't care if you're straight, gay, or in love with a tree branch, nobody wants to see you making out.
 

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to say, that Im against gays wouldn describe me as a whole. I dont agree with them, and Im shure they are wrong, but that doesent mean that I hate them. (and the term "homophobia" is gay propaganda, I would be glad, if society could terminate that word)
 

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Dan Steele said:
I have no problem with gays and lesbians. Its funny how people pick on homosexuals, but no one makes fun or necropheliacs, pedophiles, zoopheliacs, guro freaks, lolicon fans, scatolphelia, beastiality, and rapists.
Actually, yes, they do. It's just less prevalent, because those "activities" are less common, and not displayed in public.
 

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I'm straight.
I'm not for gays nor am I against them. As long as I don't have to see them flaunting about it what they do is their business.
 

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While it's not my post you quoted, I would like to say that I'm not a fan of homosexuality either. I like plenty of homosexual people but the act of homosexual sex is something I'm not a fan of. I wouldn't do it and don't want to see it, and thinking about it puts me off a little.
Does that make sence?

Now, I don't share Kimarous' view but I did share his lack of support for the gay community. I've always had gay friends (I just didn't always know they were gay) but I always felt that marriage was something that men and women do and that gay couples didn't need it, then earlier this year I realised that even though I may not necissarily want gay people to get married, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to.
And since then I realised how much of a douche I was being, now I fully support gay marriage along with gay rights in general (as far as I'm aware the only discrepancy in my country is marriage and adoption laws.)

I think you'll find plenty of people who support gay rights think this too, they just don't say it because it can often be misinterpreted.
StBishop, what about homosexuality puts you off? Is it the idea of a same-sex relationship or intercourse and, if intercourse, is it only man-to-man, femal-to-female or both? And why did you feel that same-sex couples shouldn't marry?
I suppose I worded that wrong, I'm not put off by homosexuality, it's fine, I mean seeing people of the same sex staring lovingly into each others eyes, it's not off-putting as much as strange, like seeing a fish with legs walking on land.
I don't think it's bad, it's just so alien that I'm a little uncomfortable.

Where as homosexual couples kissing I'm fine with.

Now onto the same sex intercourse. I don't find lesbian sex offputting because I don't see it as sex. Does that make sence? I know it is sex to them, and probably everyone else in the world, but there's no penetration by genitalia, maybe that's why.
But if we took, say lesbian porn, I wouldn't be put off by that, nor would I be put off by gay (as in male only) porn. Because it's porn. Which is weird I know.

It's homosexual love-making that I don't really like (not dislike, just don't like) and I think it's that same, alien feeling.

Also, I think it's because if someone talks about say, oral sex, I think of what it would be like, and I don't really like the idea of performing oral sex on a dude. Same with if people talk about vasectomies, I feel like someone's talking about doing it to me, not plesant.

I don't really know why I was against same sex marriage. Maybe because I was afraid of change?
I can't explain it, and am a little embarrased of the fact that I was actually against it.
Perhaps it has to do with me wanting marrage to remain the way I saw it as a child?
My view of marriage was shaken alot by the circumstances of my parent's break up, and I feel like my mother's subsiqunet re-marriage is immoral and I was, and still am, very angry that she was married in a church, the state marriage didn't offend me but the fact that a preist sanctioned it is a pretty slanderous act in my mind.
Maybe that had a hand. Who knows?

Have I answered all of your questions?

EDIT: Having thought more about it, I remebered the realisation I had about 3 years ago that homosexuality isn't just, "Being attracted sexually to the same gender" it's "Being attracted to sexually and falling in love with the same gender."

I found that a shocking realisation and perhaps as I've only realised it pretty recently it's taking me longer to get use to it. I mean, I've always known that people can be attracted to the same sex, It was explained to me at the same time as the birds and the bees at about age 4 or 5 when my mum became pregnant with my sister.

The first time I saw two guys say "I love you" in a non-platonic way was at age 17 and it spun my head. I hadn't really thought about homosexuality all that much and it just hadn't occured to me.

Perhaps that's why I'm put off by same sex lovemaking.
So the "Alien" nature of same-sex love and relationship is what puts you off and for marriage you were holding onto childhood ideals
Alien being different to what I'm use to, and from what I've come to accept as normal. Yeah, it's different to what I've experienced, so it is alien in that sence, I do choose however to accept it as perfectly ok. I can accept something I find werid can't I?

For example, I accept that certain people find incredibly large people attractive, and that some people like (what I percieve as) horrible cars. I don't understand and think it's weird, but I accept it.

I think in time, I'll be perfectly fine with it all. It's just something I'm uncomfortable with.
I'd gladly take a pill to make me cool with it, but it's just something I'll have to get over in time.

:) That cover it?
 

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I don't like the camp gay sterotype because it irritates me, but I'm not against homosexuality.

I think everyone thinks the same as me.