Gays and Homophobia

[Slayer_2]

I'm boring old straight, but I'm all for gay rights, "camp", "butch", and extremely gay acting people aggravate me, though. I'm not discriminating, I dislike ultra-masculine "tough-guys" too. Also lesbians that hate men can buzz off. If a gay guy hit on me, I might be a bit embarrassed, but I'd survive, I'm sure.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

Gay pride is less about being proud that they're a homosexual and more about being proud that they've overcome the societal stigma of being ashamed to be homosexual. It's about being true to yourself despite the hate and bigotry. That takes pride, and that takes courage.

That's understandable but more a triumph of the human condition. Though I never understood the outlandish gay pride parades. I tend to not take people seriously when they're wearing a thong and boa in public.

Okay, then should I dismiss a group of heterosexuals just because one of them is wearing a 'Female Body Inspector' shirt?

If a large group is? Absolutely. But in New York we can see a ton of people dressing in such a way. Where I live the Gay Pride Parade is a bit toned down and is taken much more seriously. The gay community actually didn't allow an activist to join the march because he was dressed too provocatively.

Again, just a small segment of the pride parades are dressed as you're talking about. I live in Austin, Texas, one of the more outlandish towns in the country and still most people at pride parades are just civil people who are proud of what they are.

Ahhh, I see where I miswrote. I didn't mean to imply that I don't take EVERY gay pride parade unseriously. I only take the more outlandish ones as a bit silly. There are plenty of gay pride parades that actively strive to better conditions. Certainly a few members of the movement will be controversial, but I was mainly addressing the New York style parade which, truthfully, harms the homosexual community in the south as it provides a stereotypical view of homosexuals that scares the Bible belters.

Well, if homosexuals expressing themselves in the way of their choosing scares the bible-belters I hope they sh*t their pants.

Understandable. But let me share this with you.

Three years ago I was walking on my college campus in Arkansas. I noticed four men surrounding a downed man. I approached and found that they were screaming "******" while kicking/stomping him. I pushed through them and managed to get them off him long enough for the guy to get up and stumble off. As I turned to follow the dude, who needed medical help, I felt a hard sting on the back of my head. Someone threw a beer bottle at me and yelled "****** lover". I was a bit high on adreniline so I ignored it and walked with the dude, talking with him and getting him to the nurses office. When I got there they looked over my head and found I needed three stitches. No big deal. *shrugs*

Two months later one of those four men approached me from behind and pressed a knife against my back, saying that if I ever help a ****** again he'd stab me in the ass, since I'd probably enjoy that.

Being a gay supporter and Atheist in my location is quite hard to do. So, perhaps unreasonably, I see those kinds of gay pride parades as a bit foolish. I may most certainly be wrong, but from my viewpoint I wish it wouldn't be quite as.....well.....flashy. *shrugs* But I may most certainly be wrong.

Those people are just flat out wrong and nothing anyone will ever do (or not do) will stop them from doing the absolutely fucked up things they do. I know where you're coming from, Austin is a bit of a safe haven but if I drive for half an hour in any direction I'm in the exact kind of place you're talking about.

But the real point is this: if the people in New York tone it down to appease those ignorant fucks, then the ignorant fucks have leverage. That's what gay pride is about--we're not afraid to express ourselves in public anymore, and we're not going to be intimidated by violence and bigotry. The gay activists aren't going to be controlled by what the ignorant and violent wish they would do by toning it down, just like I would hope you wouldn't give pause to help a '******' just because of threats of violence.

I think I understand a bit more. I do understand the breaking of taboos in that form, but I guess it all comes down to intent. It'd be foolish and presumptious of me to assume that the people in the parade are just doing it for "teh lulz". So yeah, I'll admit that I'm a bit wrong on the topic.

 

[Wardnath]

I know what you mean. Words hurt. I got both ends of the spectrum. So I started being fast with my mouth and faster with my fists, because bullies hate it when you talk back. It sucks, and I totally feel you on that. I didn't break so much as snapped.

Not sure we're talking about the same spectrum here.

But yeah, I agree with you for the most part.

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

Straight, so nothing really interesting with that. I'm all for people who are different than me (because that's what gays/lesbians/bi-s/trans-/whatever are) having the same rights as me. They're people too blah, blah, blah, right to be happy blah, blah, blah I'm sure this has all been said before.

While I understand why there are some of those really flamboyant homosexuals out there who like to parade their sexuality around (they're finally getting the acceptance and rights they deserve, they should be able to celebrate a bit) I do believe that eventually they need to calm down. You're getting the rights that every other sexual orientation has, but you're also getting the responsibilities and expectances of that other sexual orientations have. PDoA are fine, but there's no need to get all in people's faces about you being gay. It becomes immature after a while and I'd say the same thing to a straight person.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Well, there's public decency laws, to start with. That's more to the extreme, but the general consensus isn't that people dress to "the hetero standard," but to dress appropriately for the context at hand. If anything, whatever oppressive norm you're alluding to is one that doesn't emphasize sexuality.

I was speaking less of 'wearing thongs in public' and more of what I assumed the person I was quoting was talking about, dressing effeminately, or in what is considered the norm for homosexuals. (I.E. the 'metrosexual' fashion)

When I said "appropriately," I tried to cite it separately from "decent." When I talk about dressing appropriately, I'm thinking about wearing a jacket and tie to a job interview, or boots and work clothes when doing physical labor. "Dressing for the occasion" comes to mind.

 

[runnernda]

I'm bisexual and I'm for gay rights. It's just segregation all over again, denying rights to people because of something they can't change.

 

[meticadpa]

I'm totally fine with homosexuals, bisexuals, whatever, and I'm male and straight.

As long as they're not flaunting it ridiculously, I don't care. After all, I don't walk around with a t-shirt that says "I FUCKING LOVE TITS" on it.

Gay marriage I'm fine with. Marriage is nothing but a piece of paper.

 

[FaceFaceFace]

I support gay rights, but I wish they'd all be a bit less obvious. Sexuality shouldn't have any effect on how you dress or your mannerisms, just who you sleep with. So if you are not holding your significant other's hand, I should not know which way you swing. I say this based on two gay guys I am friends with, one of whom I would never have guessed if he hadn't told me, and the other, lets just I get a lot of fashion advice from.

Why can't people dress the way they want? Why can't gays express their individuality? Why should everyone have to dress in the hetero standard?

I wasn't talking about how people dress at all, I was talking about mannerisms. Since there are ways to dress that would be stereotypically gay, I'll respond to your comment anyway.I don't think everyone has to dress in the "hetero standard." They have to dress in the standard standard. I don't care how they try to look different, be it flamboyant, goth, or walking around on fire. They just look different to look different, and I've always concluded that they do so because they aren't confident enough in their individuality and have to make themselves stand out artificially.

Of course, that's just my conservative social preferences. I'd rather people stand out through the important things they do, not through weird eccentricities or bizarre clothing.

 

[Azulito]

I'm Hetrosexual and completely neutral to others sexuality. Don't parade it in public (Just because your sexuality is different doesn't mean I want to see you making out in public. Heck, I speak up when Hetero couples are rude like that.) and I'll let you live your lives.

I won't actively lobby for them but I will stand up for gay rights because I believe everyone has a right to be who they want to be.

Essentially this.

I have no problem with this as long as they seek equal rights. There are a few homosexuals I've encountered who act like everything should be tailored for them. For example, on my site I have a 'partner' system and I've had a few people making "You're homophobes!!!!!!" threads given that it was only possible for Males and Females, this was because I had future plans intended for the system though. It'd of been like me going into a gay bar and demanding everything should also be tailored for straight people while calling them heterophobes(?). It's only a small handful of people though so it's not that big a deal

Also, I support same sex marriage xD The example was simply on online web-game thingy.

 

[Michael Logan]

Im a bit homophobic admittedly, which I guess is weird since Ive met exactly one gay person(that I know of)and he didnt do anything at all to offend me. I guess its just media and movies that affects me?

 

[thublihnk]

I support gay rights, but I wish they'd all be a bit less obvious. Sexuality shouldn't have any effect on how you dress or your mannerisms, just who you sleep with. So if you are not holding your significant other's hand, I should not know which way you swing. I say this based on two gay guys I am friends with, one of whom I would never have guessed if he hadn't told me, and the other, lets just I get a lot of fashion advice from.

Why can't people dress the way they want? Why can't gays express their individuality? Why should everyone have to dress in the hetero standard?

I wasn't talking about how people dress at all, I was talking about mannerisms. Since there are ways to dress that would be stereotypically gay, I'll respond to your comment anyway.I don't think everyone has to dress in the "hetero standard." They have to dress in the standard standard. I don't care how they try to look different, be it flamboyant, goth, or walking around on fire. They just look different to look different, and I've always concluded that they do so because they aren't confident enough in their individuality and have to make themselves stand out artificially.

Of course, that's just my conservative social preferences. I'd rather people stand out through the important things they do, not through weird eccentricities or bizarre clothing.

Well that sucks. Just because someone doesn't conform to your nebulous standards for dress and appearance doesn't mean they're not doing anything else with their life. It means they care about what they look like and what they think looks good doesn't fall into your standards. Forgive me if this sounds dismissive but that is a colossally shitty way to think about people.

 

[outcesticide69]

Idk, its just called Introduction into psychology. I left it back in my dorm, but ill tell you who the author is, when i get back. And most other theories are just padded down with political liberal bullshit. I dont believe people to be raised gay by their parents, or their parents really having much of a personal affect to being gay. eg. if a parent treats their kid badly, he wont turn out gay.

What about homosexuality being caused according to Povloving conditioning (Not sexual abuse, more experiences in life which has altered views about each sex, which was Frueud's belief [bit more to it but that's the general sense of it]) or, the now official positions of the American Pyshciatric and Psychology Associations, that it is a normal sexual variation due to no evidence to the contary? Why that belief in particular?

Well then you consider being gay a choice. You either have it or dont. to say that it is a choice, kinda goes against gays, and then it would be considered to be a moral issue rather than brain defect. So then, by that rational gays would be a step backwards, instead of sideways, in population growth and would be considered a threat to the human race, which i refuse to believe. To explore a person's sexual interests, is something that takes time to discover, but it never changes. People that are gay and are with a person of the opposite sex are only doing it to be accepted in society, not because they were opened up to the idea of being straight, thats how we get sexual confusion in young teens(last statement was just opinion, i have no facts to base anything off it, so dont ask any questions as to why i believe it).

 

[Brutal Peanut]

[Bi-sexual woman, married to a straight man.^_^]

We don't care what people do in their bedrooms, as long as it's
between consenting adults. It's none of our business.

His family is fairly religious, and even though they don't really agree with it-
they aren't against it. They are very, "to each their own" sort of people.

Me?: I am pleased that people can truly find themselves and find love with
a man/woman/trans-gendered, whatever makes them happy.

-However-
As time goes on: Me-thinks that 'some' people of differing orientations,races,
religions would rather be treated 'special', instead of actually equal.

 

[spartan1077]

bi
definitly not against any types of people(except those who discriminate or tell me to make up my mind)

Also-I hate it when people show public displays of affection such as making-out in public. Be it homosexual or heterosexual it makes me feel lonely :/ But I still have nothing against anyone...

 

[Z(ombie)fan]

Im bi yet my friend is a homophobe.

he once said -FOR NO REASON OUT OF NOWHERE- "gay people don't deserve to live"

reason #257 why he is scared as shit of me.

 

[Jazzyjazz2323]

I think I'll bring a pretty different point of view so let's start.My aunt is "Bi"though i put that in quotations because she's only been with one man her entire life all other relationships have been with women she was also a nun but left the convent to be with her girlfriend at the time and the one man she was with was a FtM transexual(whom i loved dearly as my uncle and i still stay in contact sadly they divorced)She is still a practicing catholic.My dads a huge homophobe which makes family get togethers awkward.So my views on the issue are seated in two sides of the spectrum.I believe gays have no right to be married in church as that's what I view religiously.But to be married in the courts and to be recognized as a married couple by the state damn right they better be able too.Gays are people as well whether i agree with there life choice is not up to me. I also believe in gay adoption.But I will say this public displays of affection from gays actually does kinda make me abit uneasy so I guess I am a bit bigoted.

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

Just let everybody do what they want.

I think Louis ck said it best

 

[Thepostaldude1]

I am gay >.>


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