Gays and Homophobia

[hudsonzero]

i am one for not caring in the slightest if your gay bi strait
i only care if your your a annoying or not

 

[FaceFaceFace]

I support gay rights, but I wish they'd all be a bit less obvious. Sexuality shouldn't have any effect on how you dress or your mannerisms, just who you sleep with. So if you are not holding your significant other's hand, I should not know which way you swing. I say this based on two gay guys I am friends with, one of whom I would never have guessed if he hadn't told me, and the other, lets just I get a lot of fashion advice from.

Why can't people dress the way they want? Why can't gays express their individuality? Why should everyone have to dress in the hetero standard?

I wasn't talking about how people dress at all, I was talking about mannerisms. Since there are ways to dress that would be stereotypically gay, I'll respond to your comment anyway.I don't think everyone has to dress in the "hetero standard." They have to dress in the standard standard. I don't care how they try to look different, be it flamboyant, goth, or walking around on fire. They just look different to look different, and I've always concluded that they do so because they aren't confident enough in their individuality and have to make themselves stand out artificially.

Of course, that's just my conservative social preferences. I'd rather people stand out through the important things they do, not through weird eccentricities or bizarre clothing.

Well that sucks. Just because someone doesn't conform to your nebulous standards for dress and appearance doesn't mean they're not doing anything else with their life. It means they care about what they look like and what they think looks good doesn't fall into your standards. Forgive me if this sounds dismissive but that is a colossally shitty way to think about people.

First, I didn't mean to imply that people who dress differently aren't doing anything with their life, although I see where I more or less did. Oops.

To your point, I almost agree. It would suck if everyone had to conform to my "nebulous standards for dress and appearance." But there are two things that prevent this. One, I don't consider my standards all that nebulous and I think it's pretty easy to say whether an appearance is outlandish or not. Two, it's not just my standards, it's the norm.

Now, I may prefer this appearance simply because it is the norm and has been socially ingrained in my mind as such, or I may actually prefer the style and just happen to be lucky that most other people do, too. The point being, though, that I am hardly alone in disliking appearances that are blatantly, both to observers and the person themself, outlandish.

Also, maybe this should've been my first point, its not that big of a deal to me. I would prefer people dress the norm, but other than a bad first impression or being a minor source of annoyance, it really doesn't matter that much to me. Basically, I wouldn't outlaw it if I were a dictator, but I would remove the preference from people's minds if I was God. (The clothes thing. Not homosexuality. I'm fine with that).

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Well then you consider being gay a choice. You either have it or dont. to say that it is a choice, kinda goes against gays, and then it would be considered to be a moral issue rather than brain defect. So then, by that rational gays would be a step backwards, instead of sideways, in population growth and would be considered a threat to the human race, which i refuse to believe. To explore a person's sexual interests, is something that takes time to discover, but it never changes. People that are gay and are with a person of the opposite sex are only doing it to be accepted in society, not because they were opened up to the idea of being straight, thats how we get sexual confusion in young teens(last statement was just opinion, i have no facts to base anything off it, so dont ask any questions as to why i believe it).

But that does not answer the section of it being a result of Pavloving condtioning or normal sexual variation.

For Pavloving Conditioning:
It is no longer really a choice, lfe experience have set an individuals mind to have specific feelings and ideas due to life long conditioning due to experience. As Freud said "All people are inherently bisexual, our life experiences make us homosexual, hetrosexual or remain bisexual". It is not a choice, like a fear of clowns, for example, which seems from being assualted by a clown in your youth (Though I'm not saying people become gay due to abuse, that was just to illustrate one kind of conditioning). Why do you believe that this is a choice? How come you do not see this form of conditioning as uncontrollable?

For APA's theory:
Humans are still driven by instinctive urges which we don't have to act upon, however nearly all individuals act upon this urge, but the urge is still there, as you said,. So why couldn't it be a different neural set-up? Why do you see it to be a defect and not as a variation?

 

[Ekonk]

For. Do you want to know why? First, I believe strongly in the Golden Rule of 'Never do to someone else what you wouldn't want someone else to do to you.'
As such, I try to treat anyone how I myself would like to be treated. It works for everything.

Second, I do not harbour any belief - religious or otherwise - that denounces, explicitly or inexplicitly, homosexuality.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I'm against it. I don't see how thats homophobia....a phobia is a fear, and i don't fear it. I just don't believe it's right.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Straight.

For.

This may sound weird, but of the 3 lesbian friends I've made, I'm more comfortable talking to them about man-troubles (as in troubles experienced by men, just clarifying) than my actual man friends, gay or straight. Also their are gays and lesbians in my family, and I have a few gay and lesbian friends, I know they are good people and deserve the same rights as everyone else.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I'm against it. I don't see how thats homophobia....a phobia is a fear, and i don't fear it. I just don't believe it's right.

What about it do you believe is wrong? Where have these beliefs stemmed from?

 

[redisforever]

To be honest, I have no clue what I am...I'm a guy who loves girls, but maybe one or two guys...mostly straight?
I do think you should be whatever you like, as long as you're happy.

 

[gundargundar]

I'm straight, but shit happens

And whatever floats your boat is fine with me, as long as it doesn't include bestiality or some pedo shit

 

[Amphoteric]

I'm against it. I don't see how thats homophobia....a phobia is a fear, and i don't fear it. I just don't believe it's right.

Homophobia is just a word used to describe someone who dislikes gay people as a whole. You don't have to have a fear of them.

If its not right then why do people do it?

Who are you to decide what is right for another person?

 

[ramboondiea]

straight, i am all for gay rights, i dont like pda but that applies to any couple regardless of orientation.
i am not homophobic but i understand some off the hate that towards gay couples, atleast to some degree, this doesnt mean i condone it tho

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I'm against it. I don't see how thats homophobia....a phobia is a fear, and i don't fear it. I just don't believe it's right.

What about it do you believe is wrong? Where have these beliefs stemmed from?

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

I'm against it. I don't see how thats homophobia....a phobia is a fear, and i don't fear it. I just don't believe it's right.

Homophobia is just a word used to describe someone who dislikes gay people as a whole. You don't have to have a fear of them.

If its not right then why do people do it?

Who are you to decide what is right for another person?

So could you call your self a heteropohbic person? And who are you to decide what is right for another person?

 

[kikon9]

I'm all for their rights, discrimination against anybody is wrong.

And to anybody who says it isn't discrimination, why don't you tell that to all the people who were treated horribly just because of their orientation.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

What experiences have caused this? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles? Why do you believe a man and woman is human nature, couldn't human nature be to have a relationship with the person you love regardless of gender?

 

[Faladorian]

If a girl can like a boy,
and a boy can like a girl,
then a boy can like a boy,
and a girl can like a girl.
There's no reason to say otherwise besides being a xenophobic prick. I'm straight, and it can be awkward to see two guys making out, but it's equally awkward if any two people are making out. Do that in your spare time, in private.

 

[Kuriko]

Doesn't bother me at all if someone's bi, gay, les, whatever, as long as they're happy and they're being who they really are.

*Shrug*

Oh and I'm bi. xP

 

[sageoftruth]

You want an honest answer from a hetrosexual?

I personally don't give a toss about you either way.. as a section of society you've managed to legitimise yourselves, you're accpted.. Get over yourselves... This hasn't been an issue in 20 years.

Racism and sexism hasn't been an issue for even longer but people are still on guard to ensure that there is no racism or sexism in society. Shouldn't the gay community be allowed to bring attention to the need to protect themselves from discrimination like Black people and women?

Well if you're going to constantly rub peoples face in it then you have to accept that you are going to get some peoples backs up because as a group you can't seem to shut up about it.

TBH.. the constant need for validation (which is what it seems like) is annoying for THAT reason, and if you are disliked then it is because of that need.. not particularly because of what you are.

Be homosexual if that's your bag...but if you're all gonna constantly shout about it, someone (probably me) is gonna tell you to shut up. A lot of people are sick of hearing from you.

There are bigger issues in the world that where you decide to stick your genetalia.

EDIT.. One other thing.. just because someone dislikes what you do (which is entirely their right as much as it is yours to do it).. DOESN'T mean that they fear you or are threatened by you or that they are a 'closet case' themselves.. and using THAT as an arguement against them WILL fucking piss them off.

That could very well be the reason why people do it. Of course that's not a very good idea unless your target is the Westboro Baptist Church. After all, they're just about as noisy as the minorities seeking validation you mentioned.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

What experiences have caused this? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles? Why do you believe a man and woman is human nature, couldn't human nature be to have a relationship with the person you love regardless of gender?

Nope. A man and woman is the only way. To reproduce and keep the race strong.

 

[ckam]

I'm a free rights, guy. So I support them.