Gays and Homophobia

[CowDenStar]

Everyone has the right to their own sexuality just as everyone has the right to their own religion.
I personally don't really mind what sexuality a person is be it gay, straight or bi it doesn't change my opinion of a person very much at all.

You are what you are and you can be whatever you want.

i'm straight incase you wanted to know.

 

[newdarkcloud]

Live and let live, but give them the rights they deserve as human beings.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

I care what you think, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs. I want to understand them.

What exactly do you find wrong with a same-sex realtionship; their inability to reproduce, intercourse or the violation of the Church's teachings? And why don't you want homosexuals to be part of society?

I never said they cant be part of society. My main problem with it is how it goes against the natural order. they cant reproduce that's fact. It goes against Church teachings.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think the term you're looking for is "separate but equal" and these here United States done did tried that with them thar nigras. The courts ended up deciding that was stupid and racist (much like the previous sentence itself).

In any case, marriages aren't the same as civil unions, mainly because one state doesn't have to respect the civil union of another, and there are various issues dealing mainly with tax benefits and whatnot.

The only reason I've heard that I respect for maintaining a difference of rights of gay and straight couples is the amount of lawsuits and revoked tax privileges against churches who want not to marry gay couples because the union is against their belief system. (This is not to say I'm not for gay marriage, this is just to say stupid people and stupid religions still exist, and last I checked, freedom of religion was still pretty important to us, no matter how stupid said religion may be)

I apologise if this sound rude, I truly am, but I'm not looking to question the societal impact or past events that are similar. I'm trying to dissect each individual's opinion on the issue to better understand both sides. It's why I always ask question as a response to people's posts

 

[conflictofinterests]

I think the term you're looking for is "separate but equal" and these here United States done did tried that with them thar nigras. The courts ended up deciding that was stupid and racist (much like the previous sentence itself).

In any case, marriages aren't the same as civil unions, mainly because one state doesn't have to respect the civil union of another, and there are various issues dealing mainly with tax benefits and whatnot.

The only reason I've heard that I respect for maintaining a difference of rights of gay and straight couples is the amount of lawsuits and revoked tax privileges against churches who want not to marry gay couples because the union is against their belief system. (This is not to say I'm not for gay marriage, this is just to say stupid people and stupid religions still exist, and last I checked, freedom of religion was still pretty important to us, no matter how stupid said religion may be)

I apologise if this sound rude, I truly am, but I'm not looking to question the societal impact or past events that are similar. I'm trying to dissect each individual's opinion on the issue to better understand both sides. It's why I always ask question as a response to people's posts

Naw, naw, it's fine. But these things are what influence my views on the subject, it's why I supplied them ;3

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

I care what you think, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs. I want to understand them.

What exactly do you find wrong with a same-sex realtionship; their inability to reproduce, intercourse or the violation of the Church's teachings? And why don't you want homosexuals to be part of society?

I never said they cant be part of society. My main problem with it is how it goes against the natural order. they cant reproduce that's fact. It goes against Church teachings.

My apologise you reference to them going to live on an island gave me the wrong impression. Firstly, how do you define natural order? And why did you select the teachings of the Church over the teachings of Christ to follow?

 

[AndyFromMonday]

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The bible has no say in what a human being can and what a human being cannot do and neither do dictionaries. What an individual can and what an individual cannot do is not your job as long as it does not affect you and it sure as hell does not affect you in any way, shape or form. If you want to go further into it it's morally irresponsible of human beings to have children due to overpopulation and the number of orphans present in the world. As such, not only should homosexual behavior be allowed, it should also be encouraged as they are the ones most likely to adopt.

You have no right to tell a person what they can and cannot do.

 

[Sparrow]

I'm totally for it and they are allowed to do as they like, but I must say two guys kissing infront of me is still a bit strange to me. I'm not saying it like someone who reads the Sun would, e.g. "IT'S NOT NATURAL!". More like "Well, this isn't something I am enjoying watching".

Does that make me anti-gay? Hmm, maybe. Depends how you look at it. I don't want to stop them doing it, I just find it a little strange still. Guess I just need to adapt to it.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think the term you're looking for is "separate but equal" and these here United States done did tried that with them thar nigras. The courts ended up deciding that was stupid and racist (much like the previous sentence itself).

In any case, marriages aren't the same as civil unions, mainly because one state doesn't have to respect the civil union of another, and there are various issues dealing mainly with tax benefits and whatnot.

The only reason I've heard that I respect for maintaining a difference of rights of gay and straight couples is the amount of lawsuits and revoked tax privileges against churches who want not to marry gay couples because the union is against their belief system. (This is not to say I'm not for gay marriage, this is just to say stupid people and stupid religions still exist, and last I checked, freedom of religion was still pretty important to us, no matter how stupid said religion may be)

I apologise if this sound rude, I truly am, but I'm not looking to question the societal impact or past events that are similar. I'm trying to dissect each individual's opinion on the issue to better understand both sides. It's why I always ask question as a response to people's posts

Naw, naw, it's fine. But these things are what influence my views on the subject, it's why I supplied them ;3

Well now you have my interest. So you use past historical events to effect your opinion in order to stop past mistakes being repeated and to have the best solution found fastest?

 

[Scde2]

personal experiences and my own principles. What i believe its wrong is that it goes against human nature, man should be with a woman. And woman should be with a man.

What experiences have caused this? Did these experiences give birth to your principles? What are your principles? Why do you believe a man and woman is human nature, couldn't human nature be to have a relationship with the person you love regardless of gender?

Nope. A man and woman is the only way. To reproduce and keep the race strong.

Homosexuals are able to have kids you know?

OT:
To answer the OP's questions:
I'm gay.
Shouldn't have to answer this one.
Or this one.

Yes i knew, adoption.

No, apparently you don't. I meant actually have offspring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy

Now, I was wondering in why you believe homosexuals need to have the same rights as straight couples?

Because there is no reason to limit the rights of people in same-sex relationships. There is no need for every last person on the planet to go breed with one another. Come talk to me again when the world is underpopulated. Or are our orphanages not full enough?

A homosexual relationship is a same-sex equivalent, so why can't you rights be equivalent but different?

That sounds like Separate but Equal. That hardly ever is the case.
And if it's different, how the hell can it be equivalent?

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I'm totally for it and they are allowed to do as they like, but I must say two guys kissing infront of me is still a bit strange to me. I'm not saying it like someone who reads the Sun would, e.g. "IT'S NOT NATURAL!". More like "Well, this isn't something I am enjoying watching".

Does that make me anti-gay? Hmm, maybe. Depends how you look at it. I don't want to stop them doing it, I just find it a little strange still. Guess I just need to adapt to it.

From what I've heard it is more of one not wanting or unsure about being in such a positition personally and finds if abnormal that someone does.

 

[UnwishedGunz]

im straight and i feel no reason to be against gays, its their business to do as they please

 

[BlumiereBleck]

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The bible has no say in what a human being can and what a human being cannot do and neither do dictionaries. What an individual can and what an individual cannot do is not your job as long as it does not affect you and it sure as hell does not affect you in any way, shape or form. If you want to go further into it it's morally irresponsible of human beings to have children due to overpopulation and the number of orphans present in the world. As such, not only should homosexual behavior be allowed, it should also be encouraged as they are the ones most likely to adopt.

You have no right to tell a person what they can and cannot do.

Nor do you have the right telling me what i should and shouldnt believe in.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

I care what you think, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs. I want to understand them.

What exactly do you find wrong with a same-sex realtionship; their inability to reproduce, intercourse or the violation of the Church's teachings? And why don't you want homosexuals to be part of society?

I never said they cant be part of society. My main problem with it is how it goes against the natural order. they cant reproduce that's fact. It goes against Church teachings.

My apologise you reference to them going to live on an island gave me the wrong impression. Firstly, how do you define natural order? And why did you select the teachings of the Church over the teachings of Christ to follow?

By Church i also mean Bible. Because it is humanly impossible to fully love. Impossible to fully forgive. Jesus is my teacher, but their are many things we can't do that he could. I try to live my live according to The Bible. But in these days, you'll get persecuted for it.

 

[INF1NIT3 D00M]

Straight.
Does it even make a difference? Why do we have to label and group ourselves based on sexual preferences in the first place? A man is still a man, whether he has sex with men or women. The same applies to women, of course. All labeling does is add more separation. Plus, it gets all messed up when a straight man decides one day to fondle a scrotum or touch a penis. Then he's labeled gay or bisexual for the rest of his life. Either that or he hides it. Perhaps he just gets really confused about how he should label his sexual preferences.

 

[Agrael]

I am for gay rights, even though I am not gay and et cetera... I do not like fairies though... seriously.

 

[Lexodus]

I'm straight, and I don't support gay rights. You know why? Because I support HUMAN rights, and whatever your orientation/fetish or whatever, you still fall under that. I do, however, believe that there is a time and a place for everything; PDAs, in general, annoy me. Also, 'queers' and 'flamers' I find ridiculous. You love teh cawk, get over yourself. Being gay is a sexual orientation, not a personality (disorder). I think that might be what a lot of homophobes are afraid of- the thought that all gays are like that, or they'll hit on them. It's a stupid, ignorant thought, but with what they're being (and have been) taught *coughthankyouchurchcough*, it'll take time for them to realise that it's not the case.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Now, I was wondering in why you believe homosexuals need to have the same rights as straight couples?

Because there is no reason to limit the rights of people in same-sex relationships. There is no need for every last person on the planet to go breed with one another. Come talk to me again when the world is underpopulated. Or are our orphanages not full enough?

A homosexual relationship is a same-sex equivalent, so why can't you rights be equivalent but different?

That sounds like Separate but Equal. That hardly ever is the case.
And if it's different, how the hell can it be equivalent?

One kilogram of feathers weighs the same as one kilogram of bricks, they are different materials of equal net mass. Why not have different rights with slightly different benefits where no one is more disadvantaged then anyone else? Why do you believe I was inferring limiting same-sex couples rights and not just giving Homosexual couples some hetrosexual couples don't have and vica-versa?

 

[Danzaivar]

Why not have different rights with slightly different benefits where no one is more disadvantaged then anyone else?

Because keeping several extremely similar sets of rights is a lot more hassle then just having one set for all? Because there is NO benefit to not just merging them all?

 

[Lexodus]

I never said they couldn't live in peace. I just think its wrong. Does it matter what I think? No. I've been told that a million times here. If they want to live on some island in the Bahamas away from everyone, go ahead, I'm not stopping them. Only when it comes to marriage i will protest. I will continue to believe homosexuality is wrong for as long as i live. If people hate me for it, fine. Criticize me for what i believe, go ahead. I will continue to protest what i believe in.

I care what you think, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs. I want to understand them.

What exactly do you find wrong with a same-sex realtionship; their inability to reproduce, intercourse or the violation of the Church's teachings? And why don't you want homosexuals to be part of society?

I never said they cant be part of society. My main problem with it is how it goes against the natural order. they cant reproduce that's fact. It goes against Church teachings.

My apologise you reference to them going to live on an island gave me the wrong impression. Firstly, how do you define natural order? And why did you select the teachings of the Church over the teachings of Christ to follow?

By Church i also mean Bible. Because it is humanly impossible to fully love. Impossible to fully forgive. Jesus is my teacher, but their are many things we can't do that he could. I try to live my live according to The Bible. But in these days, you'll get persecuted for it.

Because there is a LOT of stupid shit in there, and if you're going to listen to one bit, you pretty much have to listen to all of it (otherwise that means you don't believe it's the word of God, which is infallible, and yakkedy yak yak yak). How many adulteresses have you stoned to death lately?