Gays and Homophobia

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Now, I was wondering in why you believe homosexuals need to have the same rights as straight couples?

Because there is no reason to limit the rights of people in same-sex relationships. There is no need for every last person on the planet to go breed with one another. Come talk to me again when the world is underpopulated. Or are our orphanages not full enough?

A homosexual relationship is a same-sex equivalent, so why can't you rights be equivalent but different?

That sounds like Separate but Equal. That hardly ever is the case.
And if it's different, how the hell can it be equivalent?

One kilogram of feathers weighs the same as one kilogram of bricks, they are different materials of equal net mass. Why not have different rights with slightly different benefits where no one is more disadvantaged then anyone else?

OR, you can give the same rights. <3
It'll leave lesser room for people to complain that other people have more rights.

Why do you believe I was inferring limiting same-sex couples rights and not just giving Homosexual couples some hetrosexual couples don't have and vica-versa?

I not sure what you are asking here. I was using the term same-sex relationships because I didn't feel the need to exclude couples who are in a same-sex relationship and who are bisexual. You asked me why I thought homosexuals should have the same rights as couples in a male to female relationship. What I said still applies.

So you believe that there should be no difference, both are relationships between to individuals where gender should not matter and that by giving different laws it aknowledge there is a difference when there really isn't any?

I can't disagree with this.

So you find issue with people saying there is a difference when you believe that a loving relationship is a loving relationship regardless of gender

 

[conflictofinterests]

The way they affect society whether positive or negative.

I'ma go and end the productive conversation right here, because this is WAY too easy.

NAZI.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Still natural order. If this was ruse to get me to say love then that was sneaky and deviant.

Neither sneaky, nor deviant. I'd put money on people having put money on me pulling that up, and if you want deviant, I'll show you some of the stuff I get off to. Even the tamer bits will curl your little Christian hairs.

In any case, I was just trying to point out there's a disconnect in your rules. They aren't universal. IN THE CASE OF HOMOSEXUALS- No marriage. IN THE CASE OF HETEROSEXUALS- Marriage only with love/only to one person.

Those last two sentences sum up my points very well.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Nor do you have the right telling me what i should and shouldnt believe in.

No, I don't. But neither do you have the right to tell other people how to live their lives. How about we let you believe what you want to believe and you let us do what we want to do?

did i go up to people and say "hey i dont agree with you, heres how you should live your life" no i don't

You're effectively telling the homosexual population not to get married or try to get married. Just thought I'd clear that up.

civil union i dont care, Marriage no.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

If the homosexuals want to be so different how can they expect rights if one minute they are yelling "we wont same rights" then another minute yelling "WERE DIFFERENT YEAH!"

But from your name and display picture I would guess you would be something of an emo. Wearing dark clothes listening to bands like avenge sevenfold, My Chemical romance or Escape the fate. Many would see that as being different, should your differences change what rights you deserve? Why should ones individuals differences matter to what rights they get?

Do not stereotype me. It's Avenged Sevenfold. The way they affect society whether positive or negative.

So you believe rights should be given on how some impacts society?

 

[BlumiereBleck]

If the homosexuals want to be so different how can they expect rights if one minute they are yelling "we wont same rights" then another minute yelling "WERE DIFFERENT YEAH!"

But from your name and display picture I would guess you would be something of an emo. Wearing dark clothes listening to bands like avenge sevenfold, My Chemical romance or Escape the fate. Many would see that as being different, should your differences change what rights you deserve? Why should ones individuals differences matter to what rights they get?

Do not stereotype me. It's Avenged Sevenfold. The way they affect society whether positive or negative.

So you believe rights should be given on how some impacts society?

Yes, like right now: freedom of speech. Limited censorship and right to bear arms.

 

[Arkonnan]

I am fine with gays/lesbians/bis.I would rather they tell me this
with their words and not their actions, but who am I to judge.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

The way they affect society whether positive or negative.

I'ma go and end the productive conversation right here, because this is WAY too easy.

NAZI.

Please remain within the realm of academic discuss, don't attack him because of his beliefs. Try to understand them, it is better then conflict. Please don't make this aggressive.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

If the homosexuals want to be so different how can they expect rights if one minute they are yelling "we wont same rights" then another minute yelling "WERE DIFFERENT YEAH!"

But from your name and display picture I would guess you would be something of an emo. Wearing dark clothes listening to bands like avenge sevenfold, My Chemical romance or Escape the fate. Many would see that as being different, should your differences change what rights you deserve? Why should ones individuals differences matter to what rights they get?

Do not stereotype me. It's Avenged Sevenfold. The way they affect society whether positive or negative.

So you believe rights should be given on how some impacts society?

Yes, like right now: freedom of speech. Limited censorship and right to bear arms.

So someone who has a more positive impact should get better rights then someone who has little impact?

 

[Peteron]

Eh I have no problem with any sexualities. They are all natural in my eyes I guess, it isn't like I am a religious nut. I have a gay relative so I generally understand what it would be like and they deserve respect. However, I dislike ones that are obsessed with their sexuality, like gays who go to gay pride parades all of the time. I know a bisexual kid who only discovered his true sexuality this year and joined a ton of bisexual Facebook groups within that day like it was his new religion. To me, sexuality is like anything else. It is not that big of a deal, so straights, gays and bis need to get over it.

 

[Valksy]

I'm a lesbian and am fine with all under the GLBTQ umbrella for obvious reasons. Rights should be identified as human rights, covering all, and discriminatory behaviour is abhorrent to me.

I have no problem with most things that consenting adults get up to - it really is both none of my business and not within my desire to judge someone.

 

[Willwillwritehiswill]

I don't want to write an essay because I would go on for ages and, as is my wont, I'd probably go off topic quite early on and go on a wild tangent.

I'm gay. It's only very recently I've been able to admit that to myself. It's not something I chose to become but I'm making the best of the situation I find myself in. I'm what many people would term a "straight acting" homosexual as I can go about my daily life without throwing my sexuality in other peoples' faces.
It also means I've never really been the subject of much homophobic attacks or bullying so I'm afraid I can't offer any real first hand opinions on that. Obviously, bullying and discrimination of any kind is wrong and should be discouraged.

It's impossible to think we'll ever live in a world where everyone is equal; there are too many factors to consider, but I'm all for tolerance. I'm a person who doesn't like public displays of affection from any gender, and I'd like to think that my boyfriend and I extend that same courtesy. It does pain me slightly that the fear it isn't completely socially acceptable stops me from being able to hold my boyfriends hand in public. It's a fucking hand, it's not like I'm throwing my tongue down his throat!

Statistics have shown, in the UK at least, that people are becoming more accepting of homosexual couples year on year. It's promising, and i think the issue of gay rights is such a non-issue as to be laughable.

As a small addendum, methinks Skullkid4187 dost protest too much.

 

[LadyRhian]

I'm straight, but not narrow (minded, that is.)

 

[Scde2]

Now, I was wondering in why you believe homosexuals need to have the same rights as straight couples?

Because there is no reason to limit the rights of people in same-sex relationships. There is no need for every last person on the planet to go breed with one another. Come talk to me again when the world is underpopulated. Or are our orphanages not full enough?

A homosexual relationship is a same-sex equivalent, so why can't you rights be equivalent but different?

That sounds like Separate but Equal. That hardly ever is the case.
And if it's different, how the hell can it be equivalent?

One kilogram of feathers weighs the same as one kilogram of bricks, they are different materials of equal net mass. Why not have different rights with slightly different benefits where no one is more disadvantaged then anyone else?

OR, you can give the same rights. <3
It'll leave lesser room for people to complain that other people have more rights.

Why do you believe I was inferring limiting same-sex couples rights and not just giving Homosexual couples some hetrosexual couples don't have and vica-versa?

I not sure what you are asking here. I was using the term same-sex relationships because I didn't feel the need to exclude couples who are in a same-sex relationship and who are bisexual. You asked me why I thought homosexuals should have the same rights as couples in a male to female relationship. What I said still applies.

So you believe that there should be no difference, both are relationships between to individuals where gender should not matter and that by giving different laws it aknowledge there is a difference when there really isn't any?

I can't disagree with this.

So you find issue with people saying there is a difference when you believe that a loving relationship is a loving relationship regardless of gender

I take issue when people say same-sex couples are in a less valid/loving relationship than male/female couples.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I take issue when people say same-sex couples are in a less valid/loving relationship than male/female couples.

Is it because you see it as people saying homosexual can't truly love one another as straight couples can? If so does this make you feel as though people are saying your sexual orientation is invalid?

 

[thenumberthirteen]

I'm against Gay and Bisexual rights. Like Womens rights and rights for various minorities it basically creates a different legal rule between people. There should be all the same rights. Why should anyone have more rights than anyone else?

EDIT: I'm straight, but I do find Jeffrey Dean Morgan to be a ruggedly handsome man.

Considering my success with women so far I may as well class myself as "null". That may be because I'm the type of person to get out of bed in the middle of the night without any clothes on just to unscrew the back of my PC to check what wattage my power supply was (which I did last night); I.E. a hopeless nerd (a hopeful nerd would already know off the top of his head what wattage his PSU is). Luckily the laws of statistics (and the Internet) means somebody would find that attractive.

 

[Gudrests]

I am for gay rights. Reason: they are people too. Simple as that. A person has a right to be happy. It is nobody's place to say otherwise. What you do behind closed doors is not my business(unless I am also behind them which happens more often than not).

to be happy?...then why the hell do they wanna get married lol. but hey....what you do in your own bedroom is your thing....i just dont really like guys kissing each other...creeps me out a bit...but i would have no problem with a gay guy saving my life....just...ya know dnt expect anything...ya know lol....but hey...if you wanna be gay go for it...just dont lie about it