Gays and Homophobia

[Squirrel1328]

I don't understand why people don't like gay/lesbian/bi people. Why people are so against them calling them abominations and that they're evil. Especially these ultra conservative christians who spend all their time trying to stop gay/lesbian/bi people from having the right to marry, simply because a book says they shouldn't.

I'm not gay personally i just find it frustrating that a group of people is so viciously attacked because of a 2000 year old work of fiction

 

[DiMono]

I'm straight, my cousin is gay, and it doesn't matter because it's not like he walks around reminding us about it. Don't hate someone for something they're doing in the privacy of their bedroom, and if they are flaunting it, don't hate them for being gay, hate them for being attention whores. They can't choose who they're attracted to, but the can choose whether to be a dick about it in public.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

I am hetero. I am pro-gay and anti-bi. Bisexuals are just (and only) sleazy.

I'm just going to assume you're trolling. If not, have you ever seen a bisexual that wasn't on TV?

I'm (mostly) gay.

The most obnoxious thing to me is people going around talking about how it's not a choice. First, I think it's a hopelessly confused question (a lot hinges on what you think a "choice" is and that question is remarkably harder than one would believe, as with all questions of agency and lexical semantics in general). Second, inherent in the question is a negative bias. It's like saying "I don't like what you're doing, but since you can't help it, I guess it's okay".

The fact that the LGBTIQQAWTFBBQ groups all go around talking about how they can't help being the way they are and therefore shouldn't be discriminated against bothers me even more. All I hear is "I know we're awful, but we can't help it, please pity us enough to be nice". How about we just say DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE. You shouldn't need to offer a reason or concession.

The "I don't mind gay people but stop flaunting it" bothers me too. Would you say that you don't mind black people so long as they cover their skin? Do you approve of Indians so long as you never have to see them eating Indian food? It's part of the gay culture, a culture that grew up as a defence against the idiocy of everyone else. Also, it's fun. If other people enjoying themselves bothers you, that's just sad. If that isn't your reason, then you're basically saying that you don't mind people being different so long as you don't have to look at it and that's pretty fucked up.

I'm straight, my cousin is gay, and it doesn't matter because it's not like he walks around reminding us about it. Don't hate someone for something they're doing in the privacy of their bedroom, and if they are flaunting it, don't hate them for being gay, hate them for being attention whores. They can't choose who they're attracted to, but the can choose whether to be a dick about it in public.

This popped up while I was posting. This is exactly what I mean. Should I be unhappy if I see you going around "flaunting" being straight? Very likely you don't even know you're acting that way since to you it's just acting "normally". Why on earth should you care if you cousin goes around "reminding" you about it if it doesn't bother you?

 

[The Robotman]

I personally do not mind homosexuals, bi-sexuals, or lesbians of any form or sanction. Hell, I'll watch two girls make out with my hand over my heart while the national anthem is fucking playing. But when homosexuals overtly pronounce themselves as gay members of the community, acting far more feminine then any woman would ever even fathom doing due to obvious death by embarrassment, I think, "Why?"
I don't go around the neighborhood, penis starkly erect, screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. I'm STRAIGHT. STRAIGHT I TELL YOU. Look at my girlfriend! LOOK AT HER DAMN'T!..."

Why must some homosexuals purvey themselves in such a flaunting and un-becoming manner as to noticeably make the public around them feel uncomfortable and insecure, to the point where we don't even care that their 'Gay', parsay, but just fucking annoying and boring individuals who have nothing to offer but their ridiculous, almost clownish charade of themselves?
I have gay friends who wear dresses who act like MEN. I have gay friends who wear lipstick and dance in the mirror and think they're pretty who still act like MEN. When are the few flamboyant homo's going to get it and just stop acting so prissy? If I were a gay man, I would be embarrassed by how these overtly pronounced homosexuals flaunt themselves around, hitting on clearly straight men and bothering the general populace as a whole by either being A: Loud and obnoxious, or B: Acting like three women in one body.

If you want to act like a girl, get a sex change, just don't grind up against me to the point where I can and will sock you in the fucking face. At least they'll learn to take a punch like a MAN if it comes down to that. I'm not targeting anyone who's gay, or has homosexual tendencies, I'm just talking about the few who really just, grind everyone's gears.
And ya'll know what I'm talking about.

 

[The Robotman]

I personally do not mind homosexuals, bi-sexuals, or lesbians of any form or sanction. Hell, I'll watch two girls make out with my hand over my heart while the national anthem is fucking playing. But when homosexuals overtly pronounce themselves as gay members of the community, acting far more feminine then any woman would ever even fathom doing due to obvious death by embarrassment, I think, "Why?"
I don't go around the neighborhood, penis starkly erect, screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. I'm STRAIGHT. STRAIGHT I TELL YOU. Look at my girlfriend! LOOK AT HER DAMN'T!..."

Why must some homosexuals purvey themselves in such a flaunting and un-becoming manner as to noticeably make the public around them feel uncomfortable and insecure, to the point where we don't even care that their 'Gay', parsay, but just fucking annoying and boring individuals who have nothing to offer but their ridiculous, almost clownish charade of themselves?
I have gay friends who wear dresses who act like MEN. I have gay friends who wear lipstick and dance in the mirror and think they're pretty who still act like MEN. When are the few flamboyant homo's going to get it and just stop acting so prissy? If I were a gay man, I would be embarrassed by how these overtly pronounced homosexuals flaunt themselves around, hitting on clearly straight men and bothering the general populace as a whole by either being A: Loud and obnoxious, or B: Acting like three women in one body.

If you want to act like a girl, get a sex change, just don't grind up against me to the point where I can and will sock you in the fucking face. At least they'll learn to take a punch like a MAN if it comes down to that. I'm not targeting anyone who's gay, or has homosexual tendencies, I'm just talking about the few who really just, grind everyone's gears.
And ya'll know what I'm talking about.

 

[The Robotman]

I personally do not mind homosexuals, bi-sexuals, or lesbians of any form or sanction. Hell, I'll watch two girls make out with my hand over my heart while the national anthem is fucking playing. But when homosexuals overtly pronounce themselves as gay members of the community, acting far more feminine then any woman would ever even fathom doing due to obvious death by embarrassment, I think, "Why?"
I don't go around the neighborhood, penis starkly erect, screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. I'm STRAIGHT. STRAIGHT I TELL YOU. Look at my girlfriend! LOOK AT HER DAMN'T!..."

Why must some homosexuals purvey themselves in such a flaunting and un-becoming manner as to noticeably make the public around them feel uncomfortable and insecure, to the point where we don't even care that their 'Gay', parsay, but just fucking annoying and boring individuals who have nothing to offer but their ridiculous, almost clownish charade of themselves?
I have gay friends who wear dresses who act like MEN. I have gay friends who wear lipstick and dance in the mirror and think they're pretty who still act like MEN. When are the few flamboyant homo's going to get it and just stop acting so prissy? If I were a gay man, I would be embarrassed by how these overtly pronounced homosexuals flaunt themselves around, hitting on clearly straight men and bothering the general populace as a whole by either being A: Loud and obnoxious, or B: Acting like three women in one body.

If you want to act like a girl, get a sex change, just don't grind up against me to the point where I can and will sock you in the fucking face. At least they'll learn to take a punch like a MAN if it comes down to that. I'm not targeting anyone who's gay, or has homosexual tendencies, I'm just talking about the few who really just, grind everyone's gears.
And ya'll know what I'm talking about.

 

[zombiestrangler]

In that order:
1. None of the above.
2. I'm okay with it.
3. I'm okay with anyone's choices as long as they don't directly inconvenience me or are really in your face with it. I'm okay with the dude that is gay but doesn't go around starting conversations with that. A dude that runs down the street in a thong twirling pom-poms and farting rainbows screaming," I'm gay and proud of it!" I'm thinking about decking him.

 

[The Robotman]

How do I delete posts for Christsakes..It sent it three times. I'm sorry everyone.

 

[Timbydude]

I'll be completely honest here. Homosexuality makes me uncomfortable. It's just...the concept is fairly disgusting to me and I hate it when gay people show affection in public.

That being said, I don't have any disdain for gay people themselves, and I certainly don't see why we should be taking away their rights.

Gay actions are just something I find gross, like certain foods. At the same time, I don't feel like I have some sort of right to make sure that people can't do what they want just because it bothers me.

The "I don't mind gay people but stop flaunting it" bothers me too. Would you say that you don't mind black people so long as they cover their skin? Do you approve of Indians so long as you never have to see them eating Indian food? It's part of the gay culture, a culture that grew up as a defence against the idiocy of everyone else. Also, it's fun. If other people enjoying themselves bothers you, that's just sad. If that isn't your reason, then you're basically saying that you don't mind people being different so long as you don't have to look at it and that's pretty fucked up.

It's not quite the same thing, though. I'm not saying I'm annoyed with homosexuals, but rather I just don't like their culture.

I mean, "gangsta" culture bothers me as well. That doesn't mean I have anything against black people; I'm just annoyed by a culture that predominantly consists of blacks.

As far as the whole "If someone else enjoying yourself bothers you, that's sad" statement goes, I would actually argue the opposite. Inevitably, someone will do something that you get annoyed by., and refusing to acknowledge what annoys you will strip a little bit of your individuality away. For example, if a gay person is just laughing at a conversation with a friend, I obviously don't mind. If they start screeching in excitement or something (as has happened often in my personal experience) then of course I'll be annoyed; they're screeching.

In a perfect world, nothing that anyone did would inherently bother anybody else. But we don't live in a perfect world, and we have to face the fact that we're all human, and we all have likes and dislikes. To highlight an arbitrary section of dislikes and yell, "Those don't count!" is, in my opinion, far more ignorant than telling a gay person that you hate the culture of which they're a part.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

I personally do not mind homosexuals, bi-sexuals, or lesbians of any form or sanction. Hell, I'll watch two girls make out with my hand over my heart while the national anthem is fucking playing. But when homosexuals overtly pronounce themselves as gay members of the community, acting far more feminine then any woman would ever even fathom doing due to obvious death by embarrassment, I think, "Why?"
I don't go around the neighborhood, penis starkly erect, screaming "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. I'm STRAIGHT. STRAIGHT I TELL YOU. Look at my girlfriend! LOOK AT HER DAMN'T!..."

Actually, you probably do, just in ways that you don't realize. To you it's not acting "straight", it's acting "normal". Society considers it normal too, so you would never even notice. Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I REALLY doubt that anyone has tried to kill you for being straight. You have no REASON to go around flaunting it. Also, when people see a guy, they typically assume he's straight. You don't have to signal it. You have to go out of your way to show that you're queer.

Why must some homosexuals purvey themselves in such a flaunting and un-becoming manner as to noticeably make the public around them feel uncomfortable and insecure, to the point where we don't even care that their 'Gay', parsay, but just fucking annoying and boring individuals who have nothing to offer but their ridiculous, almost clownish charade of themselves?
I have gay friends who wear dresses who act like MEN. I have gay friends who wear lipstick and dance in the mirror and think they're pretty who still act like MEN. When are the few flamboyant homo's going to get it and just stop acting so prissy? If I were a gay man, I would be embarrassed by how these overtly pronounced homosexuals flaunt themselves around, hitting on clearly straight men and bothering the general populace as a whole by either being A: Loud and obnoxious, or B: Acting like three women in one body.

If you were a gay man, you'd be even more offensive. So basically, being gay is okay, but not if you have to look at it. On top of that, being gay is okay, but not consistently acting as your socially approved gender is not acceptable? Why?

If you want to act like a girl, get a sex change, just don't grind up against me to the point where I can and will sock you in the fucking face. At least they'll learn to take a punch like a MAN if it comes down to that. I'm not targeting anyone who's gay, or has homosexual tendencies, I'm just talking about the few who really just, grind everyone's gears.
And ya'll know what I'm talking about.

This is probably the most profoundly ignorant thing I've read in this thread. Congratufuckinglations.

 

[Dexiro]

I'm gay and really feminine gay people annoy me too.

The thing is those, feminine gay people are a vocal minority. Most gay people are just regular people that happen to be attracted to the same sex. You wouldn't know they were gay unless they told you and they don't do annoying things like hitting on straight guys.

 

[Dexiro]

No, I'm not trolling. In my experience bi-sexual people are sleazy, creepy, deeply defective human beings, too shallow, cowardly, and weak of character to face their personal defects and find the strength to grow up and take responsibility for their actions. Bi-sexuals are the primary vector for sexually transmitted diseases of all descriptions, they are extremely self serving and most seem to be sex addicts who haven't woken up to the fact that they have problems. In the circles I move in I meet plenty of people who claim various different sexual orientations, and I have no problem with an honestly gay person, I think they are pretty brave and admirable as I have some idea of what it costs them to be honest about who they are. By comparison bisexuals are just slithery little nothings, volunteer sex workers, indiscriminate bottom feeders. Having met plenty of self confessed bi-sexuals, there is definitely a pattern there, and nobody can avoid discriminating when faced with slime in a human suit.

That's a pretty nasty generalisation you have there. I actually have bisexual friends that are waiting until they're married before they have sex, I guess that's the other end of the extreme.

 

[esin]

Having met plenty of self confessed bi-sexuals, there is definitely a pattern there, and nobody can avoid discriminating when faced with slime in a human suit.

Can you put a rough figure to the actual number of bisexuals you've met, whom were apparently numerous enough to form a definitive pattern representing thousands of other bisexuals?

 

[The Robotman]

Actually, you probably do, just in ways that you don't realize. To you it's not acting "straight", it's acting "normal". Society considers it normal too, so you would never even notice. Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I REALLY doubt that anyone has tried to kill you for being straight. You have no REASON to go around flaunting it. Also, when people see a guy, they typically assume he's straight. You don't have to signal it. You have to go out of your way to show that you're queer.

Well I'll have to say you make a slightly considerable argument, but I do realize when I pronounce how "Straight" I seem. I'm comfortable in my sexuality to the point that I honestly do not have to go about doing masculine things to prove everyone else otherwise, nor do most of my straight friends do so. I'm sure what your saying can be true for some straight individuals, but going about claiming that when people in general see a man, they think he's straight, is preposterous. I have stared many a time at men that some may assume are straight and wondered, but I never assume. Assuming only makes an ASS out of U and ME, remember, which is what you clearly believe I do, making your first statement a poor choice of words, if not an IGNORANT statement. A gay man doesn't have to show himself off in an overt and feminine fashion to show he's gay, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this subject, and I'm sure some homosexuals reading this right now could agree with me upon that. Many gay men go out acting like regular joe's and pick up men all the time, going to gay bars and even hetero sanctioned clubs to spit their game. I know this, because I've gone out with groups of friends that have included my gay friends, and seen them do just fine in the dating spectrum without acting ridiculous. I have no reason to go around flaunting I'm straight because no one is going to get respected or treated like a normal member of society, gay or hetero, for acting like a jackass in public. And on the subject of being chased down and killed for being gay, you should've known better then to provoke the people around you who, no doubt, obviously had an intense hate of homosexuals or lesbians. What did you do, waltz into a KKK convention. Get real, that argument is something of the late 90's, early twenty first century at best. If your so upset about it, call the local police. They won't discriminate against you for being gay, and they'll send the culprits to jail just like they would anyone else

Attacking me only shows how little you understand about the subject in question, even if you are gay yourself. Thanks for being such a close minded button pusher, I'm out.

 

[blankedboy]

No, I'm not trolling. In my experience bi-sexual people are sleazy, creepy, deeply defective human beings, too shallow, cowardly, and weak of character to face their personal defects and find the strength to grow up and take responsibility for their actions. Bi-sexuals are the primary vector for sexually transmitted diseases of all descriptions, they are extremely self serving and most seem to be sex addicts who haven't woken up to the fact that they have problems. In the circles I move in I meet plenty of people who claim various different sexual orientations, and I have no problem with an honestly gay person, I think they are pretty brave and admirable as I have some idea of what it costs them to be honest about who they are. By comparison bisexuals are just slithery little nothings, volunteer sex workers, indiscriminate bottom feeders. Having met plenty of self confessed bi-sexuals, there is definitely a pattern there, and nobody can avoid discriminating when faced with slime in a human suit.

Well if you're not trolling, then you have a severe case of stupidity. Seriously... you do realise that us bisexuals don't actually have a CHOICE in what we are? It's the same case with gays, we just naturally feel attracted to both sexes. Some bisexuals (not me, but this is still perfectly vaild) - why should someone's gender get in the way of how much you love them?
(epicness break, sorry, i'm listening to 'make me a believer' by crossfade, this is completely irrelevant)
Anyways, I'm going to break down your argument piece-by-piece because this is a perfect chance for some hearty CD-I.

"sleazy"
Not necessarily. Bisexual people are just as likely to be sleazy as exclusively gay or straight people. Statistics say "bisexuals have more sex than gay or straight people", but that's obvious, they have more potential love interests than the other two groups (i'm leaving out asexuals etc for the moment simply cos of convenience, sorry to any asexuals or such i'm offending :/)

"creepy"
Well that's a personal opinion of yours. Lots of straight people find gays creepy, that's natural.
(epicness break for speedpicking solo)
It's not how creepy we are, it's how creepy you find us.

"deeply defective"
Technically, I suppose so. As far as I know, homosexuality and bisexuality are caused by 'faulty' genes or something, but so is blue eyes. Again, it's not our choice.

"too shallow"
That depends on the person. Again, a bisexual is just as likely to be shallow as a straight or gay person, their depth of personality has nothing to do with their sexuality.

"cowardly"
Eheheheheh... no.

"weak"
Saaame pooooinnnt. These are getting boring, I'm assuming now you're just throwing it repeat words for effect. It's not working, mind you.

"take responsibility for their actions"
I do. Same point as the last three. Why be ashamed of having blue eyes? You confuse me.

"primary vector for STDs"
Whaaaat? That's just downright not true. Stats or it didn't happen.

"self-serving"
Just as likely as a hetero/homosexual. It's not controlled by sexuality, it's controlled by personality.

"most seem to be sex addicts"
Well you hang out with sex-addicted bisexuals. Pretty unlikely, I'm going to assume you're just pulling shit out of your ass here. How many bisexuals do you actually know?

"indiscriminate bottom feeders"?
Whatever you mean by that, I can guarentee it's wrong.

Soooo my advice is to stop making your own misinformed stereotypes based on one or two bisexuals that just happen to fit this description. I'll finish with an example of your logic:

"Blue-eyed people are sooooo annoying. They constantly piss me off, they won't stop talking, they have no respect for others' feelings and property. Annoying little shits."

So read all that, find all your mistakes, and come back with them all gone.
(epicness breaaak)
Yeah, do a good old 'fsck'. Fsck is a Unix command where the computer goes away, finds any problems with itself, fixes them, and returns. So fsck, then we'll be all goods

Wow, I loved writing that so much. But that's probably due to Make Me A Believer... whatever, now I'm rambling. Gonna end this post now.

 

[JoeThree]

People are people. I'm for gay rights, just the same as I'm for my own rights. Fair is fair.

Incidentally, I happen to have a large amount of gay friends, and of them, more than one is against gay marriage... that is to say, they're pro-civil union for ALL people, and keeping marriage as a religious institution. I only added this because I don't have much of an opinion either way on that topic, so long as they are given the same rights as everybody else, but I thought it was at least somewhat intersting, and I should add some content.

 

[superbatranger]

One of my best friends is gay, and so is my older stepbrother. Where do you think I stand when it comes to gay rights?

Oh, and I'm straight, by the way.

 

[eyedonutkair]

I'm against it. Don't get me wrong, I personally don't care what gay people do, its their business. Just as they are free to do so, I am free to not like it. As far as I'm concerned, sexuality is not a big deal, much the same way I don't like a certain videogame, or type of food. Throwing hate and bigotry in the mix is wrong, i suppose, but when people try to turn disgust or dislike into hate that's when the shit hits the fan. I know gay people, worked with gay people, and been hit on by gay men, and I think more than half the world is gay these days anyway. I really don't care one way or another, I just don't think I should be dscriminated against because I don't agree with it. Kinda makes you wonder where the hate is really coming from...