I am for gay rights. Everyone should be able to love and be with whomever they chose to be with and it is none of our business to judge.
Gays and Homophobia
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Kinda strange how when you express your opinion honestly (in which you have the 'right' to do so) and if it's bad, people will go crazy. There might be negative comments coming your way and if so, stand your ground! Don't flame them and be the bigger person!eyedonutkair said:
I swear there has been a rise in homosexual-related threads... it's the new zombie trend!
Anyway, I have nothing against it but I am a bit uncomfortable with homosexuals showing their love. Hugging and etc is fine but making out is a no no and that applies for anyone.
Poison Unagi, calling someone stupid doesn't help your cause, but you do make valid points..
But so does Formless. You can't deny that some Bi-sexuals are only in it for the sex, and have no qualms over who gets what once all the fornicating is said and done with. And if a man or woman seriously can't decide if they like men over women, or vice versa...
They might seriously HAVE a mental problem, or a deeper inner confusion that seriously should be settled. Just because you CLAIM your bi-sexual and CLAIM you can't help it is, in the most poetic french available to me, fucking bullshit. Fucking around with both men and women isn't in my opinion right, and quite whorish and close minded of the individual in question. Who would even want to be with such a person who has no control over their libido, no doubt flinging it around in a nasty and unpleasant fashion? I'm only saying this as a partial opinion, not going out on a limb to bash homo's or bi's in large number, but..
I do have to say a considerable number of Bi-sexuals I know are just that.
Whores.
But so does Formless. You can't deny that some Bi-sexuals are only in it for the sex, and have no qualms over who gets what once all the fornicating is said and done with. And if a man or woman seriously can't decide if they like men over women, or vice versa...
They might seriously HAVE a mental problem, or a deeper inner confusion that seriously should be settled. Just because you CLAIM your bi-sexual and CLAIM you can't help it is, in the most poetic french available to me, fucking bullshit. Fucking around with both men and women isn't in my opinion right, and quite whorish and close minded of the individual in question. Who would even want to be with such a person who has no control over their libido, no doubt flinging it around in a nasty and unpleasant fashion? I'm only saying this as a partial opinion, not going out on a limb to bash homo's or bi's in large number, but..
I do have to say a considerable number of Bi-sexuals I know are just that.
Whores.
Nope, you misinterpeted me again. The homophobes think they are righteous because they think gays are evil. You think you are righteous because you think they are evil. Can you say hypocrisy?PoisonUnagi said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
You can't deny some Hetero and Homo-sexuals are only in it for the sex. Your point? And why should they have to decide whether they like one sex over the other? How does liking both equally automatically doom them to have less control over their libido than anyone else?The Robotman said:
But like I said, I actually have a legitimate argument to back up my statement, whereas homophobe X does not.Cartman2nd said:
Pff. I feel like breaking apart the faults here too, because I'm kinda obsessed with this sort of thingThe Robotman said:
"You can't deny that some bisexuals are just in it for the sex"
Pretty much exactly what Esin said. You can't deny that some hetero/homosexuals are just in it for the sex.
"And if a man or woman seriously can't decide if they like men over women"
This is a HORRIBLY misinformed statement. Only about, pff, 40% of bisexuals (based on a few charts i've seen) actually have equal preference to both genders. I'm about 60-40 women-men personally, it varies alot from person to person.
"Just because you CLAIM your bi-sexual and CLAIM you can't help it is, in the most poetic french available to me, fucking bullshit."
Well too bad if you don't believe me, it's your loss. I'm the one telling the truth here.
(that's "you're")
"Fucking around with both men and women isn't in my opinion right, and quite whorish and close minded of the individual in question."
Wait, what?
That's like saying "I like both iPods and Zunes, I must have a serious addiction to music and need help".
"Who would even want to be with such a person who has no control over their libido, no doubt flinging it around in a nasty and unpleasant fashion?"
No-one, duh. Partly because there's so few people who actually ARE like that -.-
"I'm only saying this as a partial opinion, not going out on a limb to bash homo's or bi's in large number, but..
I do have to say a considerable number of Bi-sexuals I know are just that.
Whores."
Point one, yes you are going out on a limb to bash bisexuals.
Point two, learn to use apostrophes, that's bugging me.
Point three, you just hang out with particularly whorish bisexuals. I can guarentee there aren't that many like that.
fsck
Esin. Calm down. Attacking everyone isn't going to solve anything. Taking offense so suddenly and with a fervor isn't going to make what I said any more correct or incorrect depending upon your rash opinion, it only makes me want to crush you with my obviously far more intellectually attuned vocabulary. So relax, and read what I wrote.
I said considerable. That doesn't mean everyone. And it doesn't doom you to do anything, it's just obvious facts that if your attracted to both sexes you must have a higher sexual tendency to, well, have sex. Now if your going to make a radical statement like I've heard already, like your a bi-sexual who's wearing a promise ring, then you can just put that opinion in your back pocket. I very much doubt MOST of the bi-sexual community is like that, seeing as they KNOW they are bi-sexual. They must have experimented with a man and a woman, or had a hankering towards them in sexually explicit ways to get like that, so saying, "Oh, well, I'm bi-sexual but don't want to have sex," Isn't a legitimate argument at all. The numbers for something of that low magnitude are too few and far between to justify, so let's just give that a rest, shall we?
I said considerable. That doesn't mean everyone. And it doesn't doom you to do anything, it's just obvious facts that if your attracted to both sexes you must have a higher sexual tendency to, well, have sex. Now if your going to make a radical statement like I've heard already, like your a bi-sexual who's wearing a promise ring, then you can just put that opinion in your back pocket. I very much doubt MOST of the bi-sexual community is like that, seeing as they KNOW they are bi-sexual. They must have experimented with a man and a woman, or had a hankering towards them in sexually explicit ways to get like that, so saying, "Oh, well, I'm bi-sexual but don't want to have sex," Isn't a legitimate argument at all. The numbers for something of that low magnitude are too few and far between to justify, so let's just give that a rest, shall we?
Bisexual, and pro-bisexual/gay/whatever.
Why am I the latter? ...well, it's my life, so shouldn't I want some freedom in the way I choose to enjoy my love life? I shouldn't have to follow a law stating I can't show affection with my boyfriend in public simply because the state is populated by homophobes. If they don't like it, they can look the other damned way, I'm not the kind of person that shoves it in their face like some seem to. :\
Even [i[I'm[/i] ashamed of those so-called "Gay Pride" parades. Makes me want to hit them whenever I see those on TV.
Why am I the latter? ...well, it's my life, so shouldn't I want some freedom in the way I choose to enjoy my love life? I shouldn't have to follow a law stating I can't show affection with my boyfriend in public simply because the state is populated by homophobes. If they don't like it, they can look the other damned way, I'm not the kind of person that shoves it in their face like some seem to. :\
Even [i[I'm[/i] ashamed of those so-called "Gay Pride" parades. Makes me want to hit them whenever I see those on TV.
Unagi, you've failed twice to look beyond your scope of reasoning, proving that you are just another individual looking to bash on others just for that fact. To bash on others. I say IN MY OPINION. Where's your right to come in and hooplah about how wrong my opinion is? Your making irrelevant statements. Ipods to Izunes? Where the fuck are you man? Were talking about a person liking both sexes. I never said that bi-sexuals have an addiction to sex, which your obviously pushing towards in a most un-becoming way, claiming your telling the 'Truth'.
Your not an ultimate benefactor here. NO ONE IS.
So stop acting so high and mighty and get off your imaginary throne. Were all just people here with our opinions, not bastards looking to shoot one another in each other's backs.
And if you seriously believe in statistics, then what does that tell EVERYONE here about how valid your opinions truly are?
Yeah. That's what I thought.
Your not an ultimate benefactor here. NO ONE IS.
So stop acting so high and mighty and get off your imaginary throne. Were all just people here with our opinions, not bastards looking to shoot one another in each other's backs.
And if you seriously believe in statistics, then what does that tell EVERYONE here about how valid your opinions truly are?
Yeah. That's what I thought.
Kiju, your absolutely right, and I support what your saying to the fullest extent. Go ahead, show your affection for your boyfriend in public, it's not mine or anyone's else job to get all flustered about it, especially since hetero-sexual couples do just the same. Your entitled to your freedoms as a man, and as a homosexual, and I for one respect that to the highest degree.
Wow, double post. I had expected someone would have posted by now. Well. Whatever.
Wow, double post. I had expected someone would have posted by now. Well. Whatever.
Ok, so your saying that homophobes will be understanding of homosexuality and tolerate you if you cut their balls off? Instead of talking to them?PoisonUnagi said:
Some people...
Okay, just to get this out of the way, I'm gay and unsurprisingly pro-LGBT rights.
Lots of people have talked about how they're pro-gay, so long as there's none of this Pride-Parade-esque rubbish. Few comments:
1) For a lot of those people, it's not really a choice how they behave. That's just how they are. I'd say that I'm pretty straight acting (yet to be guessed by a straight person that I've talked to), but I don't choose those ways in which I do behave 'gay' - enjoying musical theatre and being a personal space invader (only with friends, fear not xD) are as much innately part of me as straight guys who love watching rugby and boxing. Those things aren't me trying to 'show off' that I'm gay - it's just the way it happens due to genetics or whatever.
2) The entire reason we have REALLY overt displays of that kind of stuff, like gay pride parades, is because of this dislike of 'gay culture' that some people are talking about. That's it's okay, so long as they don't have to look at it. Well, when heteronormality is expected and people don't conform to that, the obvious result is that they'll become more extreme in developing a distinct gay culture and a way of expressing pride in their differences.
It'd be ridiculous to demand that a Maori person (to use a close-to-home example) not show their culture through the unique rituals and such that they've built, and to some extent the gay community deserves similar treatment. You might say that it's not been built up through centuries of cultural development, but really it has - for the past 300 years homosexuals have been persecuted and often legally pursued for their sexuality, and a subculture has developed from that - one that's become particularly publicly visible since the birth of postmodernism and liberal democratic thought.
3) A few people have stated that because they don't treat gay people any differently, they have no reason to be defensive or feel the need to point themselves out and such. Issue is, not everyone thinks similarly. If we all assumed people were of indeterminate sexuality from meeting them, the whole idea of 'coming out' would be non-existent. But it's still around, because people still assume and discriminate. I'm personally banned from the houses of most of my extended family because of my sexuality - point is, gay people continue to be marginalised in society and suffer because of their sexuality, even more so than many ethnic minorities and women.
All in all, I think we're treated harshly often even by those who say they support LGBT people. We're happy having quotas and scholarships for women at universities, political parties and special funding for ethnic minorities - yet it's too much for gay people to display their sexuality publicly and acknowledge some of their cultural differences? We're not asking for those things - all we want (in my opinion, at least) is equality of right under the Rule of Law, equal treatment in society and the ability to express ourselves as we are. And that doesn't seem like much to ask.
Lots of people have talked about how they're pro-gay, so long as there's none of this Pride-Parade-esque rubbish. Few comments:
1) For a lot of those people, it's not really a choice how they behave. That's just how they are. I'd say that I'm pretty straight acting (yet to be guessed by a straight person that I've talked to), but I don't choose those ways in which I do behave 'gay' - enjoying musical theatre and being a personal space invader (only with friends, fear not xD) are as much innately part of me as straight guys who love watching rugby and boxing. Those things aren't me trying to 'show off' that I'm gay - it's just the way it happens due to genetics or whatever.
2) The entire reason we have REALLY overt displays of that kind of stuff, like gay pride parades, is because of this dislike of 'gay culture' that some people are talking about. That's it's okay, so long as they don't have to look at it. Well, when heteronormality is expected and people don't conform to that, the obvious result is that they'll become more extreme in developing a distinct gay culture and a way of expressing pride in their differences.
It'd be ridiculous to demand that a Maori person (to use a close-to-home example) not show their culture through the unique rituals and such that they've built, and to some extent the gay community deserves similar treatment. You might say that it's not been built up through centuries of cultural development, but really it has - for the past 300 years homosexuals have been persecuted and often legally pursued for their sexuality, and a subculture has developed from that - one that's become particularly publicly visible since the birth of postmodernism and liberal democratic thought.
3) A few people have stated that because they don't treat gay people any differently, they have no reason to be defensive or feel the need to point themselves out and such. Issue is, not everyone thinks similarly. If we all assumed people were of indeterminate sexuality from meeting them, the whole idea of 'coming out' would be non-existent. But it's still around, because people still assume and discriminate. I'm personally banned from the houses of most of my extended family because of my sexuality - point is, gay people continue to be marginalised in society and suffer because of their sexuality, even more so than many ethnic minorities and women.
All in all, I think we're treated harshly often even by those who say they support LGBT people. We're happy having quotas and scholarships for women at universities, political parties and special funding for ethnic minorities - yet it's too much for gay people to display their sexuality publicly and acknowledge some of their cultural differences? We're not asking for those things - all we want (in my opinion, at least) is equality of right under the Rule of Law, equal treatment in society and the ability to express ourselves as we are. And that doesn't seem like much to ask.
I have no issue with any spectrum of the LGBT crowd... except one group of people who don't fit into it: fake-bisexuals.
You all know the sort I'm referring to, those that are either just kidding themselves or those who are just trying to get attention off the opposite gender (more so the case with women on TV).
You all know the sort I'm referring to, those that are either just kidding themselves or those who are just trying to get attention off the opposite gender (more so the case with women on TV).
I don't agree with homosexuality but if you are not flaunting it or trying to start an argument with me I don't really give a shit what you do.
Im not gonna say its the way to go but hey it exist and the answer is learning to coexist with it. But if they could be as discrete as possible I would be very much obliged.
I'm transgender (one reason I don't link my xbox 360 profile here) and I'd Identify myself as bisexual with a very strong preference for people of the gender I consider myself to be (female) as opposed to the gender I was born with (male).
What does 'flaunting' mean, exactly? Either it means they fit the stereotype or their trying to force their sexuallity on you. The former is just being themselves, the latter is a pervert, regardless of sexual orientation. Flaunting sexuallity in an obnoxious and rude fashion is just bad manners, whether you're gay or straight.