Sony's office in the US is in California, Hotz lives in NY. SONY wants to use the Californian laws against Hotz, not the New York laws.9_6 said:
GeoHot Claims Sony Is Misleading the Courts in PS3 Legal Battle
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It's another tactic meant to increase the financial burden for GeoHotz by forcing him to fly out to California every time they have a court date. There's also probably some kind of California law that's biased towards Sony's side that doesn't exist in New York.9_6 said:
Frankly after reading that article I've started google searching for the SDK's Terms and Conditions just so I can read it myself. Though I don't see why it matters since if I read the article right GeoHotz doesn't even have a copy on his computer thus sorta making the whole thing a null point in the legal case.
Legally, there's no such thing as debtor's prison, either. Doesn't mean you can't effectively be placed there....googleback said:
Anyway, he's running on donations, so I'm pretty sure he's one instance who's safe from being bled.
At least, I hope. Sony has a bad case and don't want this going all the way. Someone has to. Not saying I like Hotz, or even care about him personally as such, just their bullying hurts more than "pirates."
I think you mean the court? I read over it a couple of times and thought "Huh...".Logan Westbrook said:
OT: This legal battle most likely won't end anytime soon. I'm kind of rooting for GeoHot in this. TO my knowledge, he hasn't pirated games, so I'm having trouble seeing what he's done that is so wrong.
Hope they nail Geohot for all they can. He lost all credibility when he tried to take Sony hostage by publishing the root keys for the PS3.
Edit to clarify: he crossed the line from 'white hat' to 'black hat' by that act, and deserves to be taught that there is a line one does not cross. By publishing the material he opened the way for scriptkiddies, cheaters, and other scum who never would have been able to crack the PS3 otherwise.
Edit to clarify: he crossed the line from 'white hat' to 'black hat' by that act, and deserves to be taught that there is a line one does not cross. By publishing the material he opened the way for scriptkiddies, cheaters, and other scum who never would have been able to crack the PS3 otherwise.
Okay, Sony only want to show the SDK at their offices...so why can't Geohot say when and where Sony can look at his computer? And how do they know if he does or does not have an SDK in the first place? I thought only the game development studios had them? Is Sony saying that only someone with the SDK could have hacked the PS3? I'm not a hacker, but surely, the SDK isn't the one tool for PS3 hacking.
So rather than innocent until proven guilty and justice, you'd rather have the courts set a legal precedent that we as consumers own neither the console we play the games on or the games themselves, simply because you don't like George Hotz?Pendragon9 said:
I'm really glad you're in the minority on this one.
For one, I doubt that in the grand scheme of things, the Geohot hack as made a huge uptick in piracy, if we look on a large scale. However, if you have some evidence, by all means...AnythingOutstanding said:Well, whatever method that Sony uses, I just hope that they win this one. If they lose, then piracy will skyrocket. That's not good
Second, if Sony wins this case, look forward to more DRM, more instrusive DRM and less rights for consumers. And that still won't stop piracy. Yeah, that's a real victory.
It's worth throwing your life away so you can use free software, right? I hope Sony wins, I'm not a fan of big corporations, but the alternative for this court battle is voting for a loser who actually needs donations just to protect himself, that doesn't make him a loser though. From what I've gathered, he's doing all this to include OtherOS? Really? You can't just dual boot on your computer? OtherOS wasn't even anything special on the PS3, not even half of the features worked, it wasn't meant to be used on an entertainment console.
The longer this draws out, the worse Sony looks, regardless of who's actually right. People tend to root for the underdog in cases like this.
Leads to more piracy, tbh. Spore's SecuROM debacle taught us that much, I thought. Then the pirates get to enjoy a DRM-free game while the consumers are screwed over. Awesome.Zom-B said:
Exactly this, every penny I had saved up to buy a replacement PS3 before this war started? It's going to GeoHotz when he re-opens donations.danpascooch said:
Sony burnt me when they sold me a feature that THEY showcased with the "Other OS" option only to rip it from me claiming piracy. **** Sony.
I agree that it leads to more piracy in a way. By including more, and more restrictive, DRM schemes Sony and other companies will definitely drive indignant gamers to pirate a game simply out of spite, while at the same time treating legitimate game purchasers as criminals.Crimsane said:
In the end though, I doubt that the uptick in piracy will have a noticeable effect on Sony's bottom line. Instead, they garner bad word of mouth and the ire of gamers, both of which can eventually lead to consumers voting with their wallets. I mean, I definitely prefer the PS3 as a console over the others, but Sony's single minded pursuit of Geohot in this matter and their attitude in general towards consumer rights is really starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. Sure, I already own the console, but frankly, I don't have to give Sony another dime if I don't want to. I can buy my titles second hand as my own little "fuck you, you're not getting any more of my money" to Sony.
Corporations only look out for themselves. That's all they will ever do. That's all they're interested in - its own power, keeping it and expanding it whenever possible. The same can be said of all governments. So, in this case, and in all similar cases - fuck Sony.
<spoiler=Explicit language to Sony, learned from Mr. Carlin>
Fuck 'em in the asshole with a big rubber dick. Then, break it off and beat 'em with the rest of it.
Bill Hicks and George Carlin are my two greatest teachers in life, especially where it concerns companies and government. A pity they aren't regularly taught to children.
<spoiler=Explicit language to Sony, learned from Mr. Carlin>
Fuck 'em in the asshole with a big rubber dick. Then, break it off and beat 'em with the rest of it.
Bill Hicks and George Carlin are my two greatest teachers in life, especially where it concerns companies and government. A pity they aren't regularly taught to children.
Sorry, but I have to agree with this statement here.Pendragon9 said:
It scares me how often people will root for someone just because they are the "underdog" and they're "fighting the man." Such narrow-minded conformity is frightening.
While some might legitimately believe in Geohot's stance, (and that's fine), I have a strong feeling most are rooting for him because they think it the cool thing to do.
"Always root for the underdog, man! Stick to the man! It's all the rage!"
Just because someone is the "underdog" doesn't automatically make them right nor make them a "noble freedom fighting hero." You'll be surprised at how many underdogs are just as corrupt and greedy as the "corporate machines" they fight against.
Also, I should state that no I don't believe Sony is innocent here, but Geohot isn't totally innocent either. It's d-bag versus d-bag here if you ask me.