Getting raped is like getting a flat tire. Also, it's God's will. Fancy that.

[MidnightKnight]

Meanwhile in America......

 

[nicebuffalo]

hugo strange is a ridiculous badass. responding to your topic, that's really fucked up.

 

[jakefongloo]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

Brent Crane says that everything is part of God's plan, so getting raped is his will. It's in the article around the middle of it.

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

God isn't your personal butler or batman. The fact he allows you to exist is gift enough, and if you ask for anything more then you look rather ungrateful and selfish. He gave you tools, use them. God isn't going to do things for you because you are lazy and refuse to use the tools. That is why evolution and darwinism exist. A parent wont support a 40 year old with no job, and acts like a 10 year old.

(deist)

No offense, but your god sounds like kind of a dick. He created a world, created or allowed evil to exist (both man made dickery and natural disasters which cause quite a bit of world suffering but by their very nature have nothing to do with the free will of mankind), and then put us in this unfortunate, dangerous and brutal place to test us, make sure we're thankful? to him? Fuck that guy. Didn't ask nor volunteer to be brought into existence, so I think that cleanly nixes the silly "free will" argument.

Free will is the greatest gift one could give along with existence. Being angry at God is like being pissed at Notch for creating minecraft. Notch doesn't owe us a single damn thing, but he gave us minecraft.

God gives you the gift of existence with almost no limits to do whatever you please, and you're the one that is complaining? That you would rather not exist? With no sentience, conscience, or anything? No one forcing you to live your life, you can opt out at any time on many ways.

I'm actually a pretty happy person, but I'm fully aware that I'm also one of the few fortunate people on the planet earth. Living in first world countries makes it easy to forget how truly shitty and unfair existence CAN be for the majority of people out there. One things for sure, if God exists he doesn't afford all of his peoples equal freedom to do as they please.

But because I understand that different deists have different takes on how things work, would you say that suicide was an out? As in I'm not going to be punished by some God for the choice and just get to cease to be?

And okay, God doesn't owe us a thing. Then I guess I don't owe my son or daughter a thing either. They should thank me for their existence.

You're trying to add reason and logic to events and actions beyond anyone's capacity of understanding. It's called faith on the sole fact that if it could be explained with reason or logic there would be no belief required. It would be a fundamental fact. Facts are understood and processed they require no faith.

And no, God doesn't just give us life then say be grateful for it. He guides us and teaches us in the most subtle ways and doesn't demonize you even if you don't believe he exists. People tell you that if you don't believe in god you will go to hell, that I believe in a load of horseshit. As long as you walk the straight and narrow and commit your actions with love and without selfishness or hate you will always be welcomed to him.

Most common application of god's actions is what I would imagine to be some form of seven degrees of separation crossed with the butterfly effect. In times of strife it is the hardest to perform good actions. But, that is when they shine through all the brighter. There is not alot of media coverage in Africa but, again I believe, that heroes have performed and sacrificed in ways only heard in stories.

Let's also look at this in a different light. I assume that Satan's hand plays just as much as god's hand plays. So Satan representing Selfishness, greed, hate, etc. commits acts in only short-sightedness. He causes hundreds of millions of third-world people to be absolutely stricken with all forms of evil. God twists this action however and inspires let's say 2% of the world (120 million) to take action against this in donations and personal assistance.

We're arguing on two different levels. I assume you're a good person and while you try to hold your position I know that in some way these back-and-forths that are happening will somehow reappear in your life to better you somehow as they will me. I do enjoy talking to people like you because you don't out right denounce it or insult me for my beliefs. You just offer me examples to prove my faith that, while it will falter, will never disappear.

 

[Zaik]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

If i'm understanding you right, you're not understanding the story right.

The guy is making it illegal for health insurance plans to cover anything + abortions. Basically, they'll have their own abortion insurance plans available within a month or three of the law coming out.

It's not a big deal in itself, actually it has very little impact on anything on it's own. Insurance companies will probably just attach multiple policies to one person at the same time for about the same price. The strategy, however, is to slowly make it so difficult to get an abortion that 99% of women give up. Only, in the real world a lot of women will just head over to their closets, grab a metal coathanger, and do the job themselves. Resulting in all sorts of nasty infection deaths, and emergency rooms and hospitals being packed full of even more completely preventable injuries.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Art thou enraged?

I was just using the same strategy this thread was using. Why is it okay when s/he does it, but not okay when I do it?


Edit: Isn't this the second time I've caught you in a clear contradiction now? And you say I'm the troll.

but you are, youve clearly addmited it yourself

anyway want some food? my argument is that unless youve been raped you really should be saying "oh..its not THAT bad" that is if thats what youre saying

I had four paragraphs of angry details, but I know you'd have just ignored it because it was everything in the book except actual rape. I'll sum it up and say the only reason I wasn't is because I was bigger than her. And the other her later. And the third her afterward.

Nope, never been raped. Still, I've been close enough. Maybe taking that next step up from being harassed or threatened into it into outright non-consensual encounters somehow makes it a bazillion times more traumatic, or maybe I'm some sort of hardman who shrugs off mental trauma that breaks others, but I'm really not seeing it. I could see having issues for...months? Perhaps a year for really bad shit. Women string this bullshit out for 10 or 20 years after the fact, just to milk it.

aaaaaannd here we go again

good day and have fun trolling

No moral footing = run away.

An effective tactic, if nothing else. I don't really think any worse of you, having used it myself before.

Still, who knew there was a guy who would admit to being coerced into sex?!? Crazy, all you were ever taught is that all guys just want sex all the time, how could you possibly prepare for that?

 

[Bags159]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Gaiz, he can't both have a valid point AND be a troll. So, which is it? (Mostly directed at Vault101). Feel like supporting that 'troll' point? :x

I trolled circles around her in a thread called "post your controversial opinions". I posted mine just like everyone else, but apparently it was too controversial because a lot of people who weren't me came out of the thread with a severe case of the sore ass.

Apparently from now on, any time I say anything about women it is automatically trolling, even if i'm in favor of something like abortions. If that's not butthurt I don't know what is.

Zaik, who are you to say it's not a life shattering experience? I'm not a woman and nor have I ever been raped, so I'm in no position to say either way. Neither are you, unless you are a woman and have been raped.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I hope both of you are brought to task for every person you have ever hurt, ever.

Pardon? For the record, I don't hurt people often, and when I do, it's always in self defense. ALWAYS.

I've lived through people threatening my family, friends, and my own life, several times.
I've been almost completely ostracized for most of my life.

I've also nearly had my left eye destroyed TWICE, by two different people, who though it would be funny to try and get me to cry in public. It didn't work, by the way, though I've got permanent scar tissue over my eye now.

My thoughts and opinions of and about people have been formed over the years by seeing people, myself included, GET HURT.

I won't say my life has been the worst, matter of fact, compared to many, it's been really easy, however, being 'brought to task' for my hurting people won't come about until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice. So take your uninformed, negative opinion, and go fuck yourself with it.

 

[MoNKeyYy]

Also, on a lighter note; I love the writer of that article. :3

Agreed. I think I've found my new favourite Non-satirical journalist. The fact that this guy can sound like John Stuart without either John Stuart or satirical is an ernormous win in my books and mildly restores a small portion of my faith in humanity.

 

[Zaik]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Gaiz, he can't both have a valid point AND be a troll. So, which is it? (Mostly directed at Vault101). Feel like supporting that 'troll' point? :x

I trolled circles around her in a thread called "post your controversial opinions". I posted mine just like everyone else, but apparently it was too controversial because a lot of people who weren't me came out of the thread with a severe case of the sore ass.

Apparently from now on, any time I say anything about women it is automatically trolling, even if i'm in favor of something like abortions. If that's not butthurt I don't know what is.

Zaik, who are you to say it's not a life shattering experience? I'm not a woman and nor have I ever been raped, so I'm in no position to say either way. Neither are you, unless you are a woman and have been raped.

I'm Zaik, I speak with authority on everything i talk about because I have a good imagination and I'm an exceptional BSer.

On a more serious note, read up a bit. The only reason I've not been raped(by a woman, no less) is because I'm bigger than the competition.

 

[duchaked]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

yeah let's be respectful people haha. doesn't matter if it's popular in this community to bash a particular belief or viewpoint, it's being being rather offensive
also note this thread is about an elected official being totally inappropriate with his public statements I'd rather not take a page from that book

 

[Arkonnan]

*facepalm* I just don't understand why these people are still in power.

 

[Ca3zar416]

Some people are absolutely disgusting. I consider this man to be one of them. As Priscilla from Claymore would say "Unforgivable"

 

[AgentNein]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

Brent Crane says that everything is part of God's plan, so getting raped is his will. It's in the article around the middle of it.

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

God isn't your personal butler or batman. The fact he allows you to exist is gift enough, and if you ask for anything more then you look rather ungrateful and selfish. He gave you tools, use them. God isn't going to do things for you because you are lazy and refuse to use the tools. That is why evolution and darwinism exist. A parent wont support a 40 year old with no job, and acts like a 10 year old.

(deist)

No offense, but your god sounds like kind of a dick. He created a world, created or allowed evil to exist (both man made dickery and natural disasters which cause quite a bit of world suffering but by their very nature have nothing to do with the free will of mankind), and then put us in this unfortunate, dangerous and brutal place to test us, make sure we're thankful? to him? Fuck that guy. Didn't ask nor volunteer to be brought into existence, so I think that cleanly nixes the silly "free will" argument.

Free will is the greatest gift one could give along with existence. Being angry at God is like being pissed at Notch for creating minecraft. Notch doesn't owe us a single damn thing, but he gave us minecraft.

God gives you the gift of existence with almost no limits to do whatever you please, and you're the one that is complaining? That you would rather not exist? With no sentience, conscience, or anything? No one forcing you to live your life, you can opt out at any time on many ways.

I'm actually a pretty happy person, but I'm fully aware that I'm also one of the few fortunate people on the planet earth. Living in first world countries makes it easy to forget how truly shitty and unfair existence CAN be for the majority of people out there. One things for sure, if God exists he doesn't afford all of his peoples equal freedom to do as they please.

But because I understand that different deists have different takes on how things work, would you say that suicide was an out? As in I'm not going to be punished by some God for the choice and just get to cease to be?

And okay, God doesn't owe us a thing. Then I guess I don't owe my son or daughter a thing either. They should thank me for their existence.

Third world countries are the fault of humans, not God. We, however, have the tools to fix that. Our first world governments do NOTHING but bicker, so why not use our tools such as hands, guns, fire, and explosives to force change? Its the cycle of nations. A government only exists because the people allow it to be, and they can take it down as well. Kill all civilians, and you have nothing to govern. The people always win in the end. However, no one has the political clout or seems to get angry enough to do anything.

Third world countries are directly man kind's fault, of this I agree. But also indirectly by a god that created mankind, and created a world that works the way it does.

I guess one can say that it's worth it for the sake of free will. I say the children who die of AIDS in Africa because men foolishly believe that raping them would be a cure can firstly hold those men accountable, and secondly hold God accountable. Of course in your view if these people aren't thankful to god for their existence, they're not worthy of being saved either?

Again, going back to the parent metaphor, I don't have children, then proceed to watch as my children starve, suffer or tear each other apart. That would be considered a vile act in pretty much every corner of the world. If I bring something into existence, and they live a life of suffering, and I do NOTHING about it despite the power to change it than I am a monster.

I am not sure on the afterlife. A common Deist quote is that If God gave us life, then its up to God whether we live again in whatever form if any. For all we know, there could be a God and no afterlife. No one truly knows for sure. The point is if your don't want to live, no one is forcing you.

You're right. But a lot of belief systems would condemn me to hell for suicide. In those situations then, ceasing to exist isn't an option so much as ceasing to live in this world and instead move next door to a much worse place. Which is why I was curious as to your thoughts on this particular aspect.

 

[The Lugz]

lol!
seriously.. how? .. wha? .. someone just kick that guy out of any authority.. right now.. holy hell world's going to the dogs

 

[funguy2121]

...At least, it is according to Kansas State Representative Pete De Graaf and Idaho State Representative Brent Crane.

Article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/31/granderson.rape.abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

For people living in Kansas and Idaho...you don't get to complain. You voted these people into office. :x Just sayin'. (And even if you voted against them, they're still representing the state legally. THE FLAW OF A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC! But I digress.)

SO PEOPLE. Do you agree with them? /Waits for the inevitable 3-5 people who say yes.

I think that Sharon Angle is scarier. Should say "was" scarier, 'cos she lost the election. She's the one who actually said if congress "keeps going the way they're going" then Americans should "look for second amendment remedies." I'd really be OK if she were locked up for life after what happened in Arizona.

Shit's been crazy ever since Obama took office and the extreme right had their historic hissy fit over being led by a dark-skinned fella. Hell, the House Republicans tried to introduce a rider effectively nullifying the Senate (and circumventing the Constitution) when the government shut down. So don't ever let yourself think that our opinions of these people are overblown. They really are living in another century, and they really are batshit.

If this offends any conservatives, I'd recommend you vote for some candidates who are rational, freedom-loving people.

 

[Sacman]

I fucking hate quite a few traditional views that our old men have. It will be better when a generation that grew up with abortion and women's rights take over. Yeah, that guy is an asshole.

Truer words have never been said...<.<

 

[Kais86]

So.... we should purge them with fire? Preferably nuclear fire.

 

[Chase Yojimbo]

What the fuck Kansas! What the fucking fuck! Look, I can understand how we should 'HELP' the victem of rape, but you kinduv took that like reverse psychology and went "NO LETS FUCK 'EM AGAIN"! I am simply ashamed that this old stupid shit thinks he is right in thinking that women being raped is innevitable, and we should just accept it instead of stopping it... absolutely sick!

I see Kansas getting renovations soon... Alcohol anyone? Before they run out in supply? Actually I can see Obama stepping in if he has any brains, and removing him from office before that happens.