Getting raped is like getting a flat tire. Also, it's God's will. Fancy that.

[AgentNein]

Apparently from now on, any time I say anything about women it is automatically trolling, even if i'm in favor of something like abortions. If that's not butthurt I don't know what is.

I don't know man, something tells me he was referring to your statement that rape isn't that big of a deal and people whine about it too much.

he's a troll, on profile > bio only thing there was a link to the "youve been trolled" song on youtube which doesnt work anymore (had a previous argument regarding woman issues)

and yeah, that too, you don't have to belive me, just saying

Oh I totally believe you.

 

[David Hebda]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

Bible never says God is "good" in the way that we mean good. And it sure as hell never says He is nice... I honestly don't know where this myth of an all loving nice -teddy bear- god idea comes from, but its not from the Bible I can tell you that.

As per this guys words... yah they were ill chosen, but its not like he is endorsing rape. Listen to what he is saying not what people are saying he is saying. The media has to hype things, its their job, its what they do. This guy deserves a small dope-slap to the back of the head and a wft-were-you-thinking glare, not a crusifiction.

 

[jakefongloo]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

Brent Crane says that everything is part of God's plan, so getting raped is his will. It's in the article around the middle of it.

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

God isn't your personal butler or batman. The fact he allows you to exist is gift enough, and if you ask for anything more then you look rather ungrateful and selfish. He gave you tools, use them. God isn't going to do things for you because you are lazy and refuse to use the tools. That is why evolution and darwinism exist. A parent wont support a 40 year old with no job, and acts like a 10 year old.

(deist)

No offense, but your god sounds like kind of a dick. He created a world, created or allowed evil to exist (both man made dickery and natural disasters which cause quite a bit of world suffering but by their very nature have nothing to do with the free will of mankind), and then put us in this unfortunate, dangerous and brutal place to test us, make sure we're thankful? to him? Fuck that guy. Didn't ask nor volunteer to be brought into existence, so I think that cleanly nixes the silly "free will" argument.

However, death has no precipice to him. When you die you go to the afterlife to judge on how you handled evil. Life is like one massive test to see how you perform. That guy who stole your wallet, How did you react? That guy who cut you in line, how did you react?

Every mistake that you made
Every evil that has befallen you

Did it not teach you something?

Imagine for a second if people did not commit evil. Imagine if there were no accidents. Everyone's family got to live to old age and the cycle continued for all eternity. What meaning does life have? Why love and care for your family because you pretty much know when they will pass away. Life is precious and he understands that, the only way we as a human race can however is if a genocide happens or something at the same scale.

In this time where science has nearly proved everything on planet earth, where when something happens physicists and psychologists tell you why, it is incredibly hard to believe in something that has you cannot see, hear, or even understand. However, when someone or something close to me passes away I do not feel sorrow. I'm sad sure, but I know that we will meet again. Not understand that we will meet again, nor think that we may meet again, I believe with my heart that we will.

 

[AgentNein]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

Bible never says God is "good" in the way that we mean good. And it sure as hell never says He is nice... I honestly don't know where this myth of an all loving nice -teddy bear- god idea comes from, but its not from the Bible I can tell you that.

So then we're supposed to side with God simply cuz he's got the biggest guns in town?

 

[Dizeazedkiller]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

When something good happens to a christian they thank god. When something bad happens they say something along the lines of "Well, i suppose god works in mysterious ways".

OT: Before this guy makes any decisions about women and rape he should experience what he's talking about so as to get a better understanding of the whole situation.
Someone should jam a flat tyre up his ass.

 

[Aerograt]

So he's saying... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PmMFaVzbzc] Ugh...

I don't get why he's using a spare tire for a flat as a comparison. Is he saying women should ask their rapists to use condoms or something?

 

[jakefongloo]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

You been raped before then?

Same here. I thought it was pretty fun /SUPER SARCASM YEAH!!!!

That's a slightly flawed comeback solely on that many people have been raped and come out of it fine. Maybe jarred, or scared, or sad, but they pick themselves up in a couple of weeks and go kick the shit out of the person who did it (or more likely report it to the police or to someone who could kick the shit out of this person).

From the books I read I can understand someone being completely disillusioned by how helpless they feel in that situation. Stronger people however, will make preparations to make sure they never feel that overpowered and weak again.

 

[Iconsting]

"What's that? You were raped? Too bad! It's your fault for not being prepared. Deal with the consequences of someone else's actions!"

 

[AgentNein]

However, death has no precipice to him. When you die you go to the afterlife to judge on how you handled evil. Life is like one massive test to see how you perform. That guy who stole your wallet, How did you react? That guy who cut you in line, how did you react?

Every mistake that you made
Every evil that has befallen you

Did it not teach you something?

Imagine for a second if people did not commit evil. Imagine if there were no accidents. Everyone's family got to live to old age and the cycle continued for all eternity. What meaning does life have? Why love and care for your family because you pretty much know when they will pass away. Life is precious and he understands that, the only way we as a human race can however is if a genocide happens or something at the same scale.

In this time where science has nearly proved everything on planet earth, where when something happens physicists and psychologists tell you why, it is incredibly hard to believe in something that has you cannot see, hear, or even understand. However, when someone or something close to me passes away I do not feel sorrow. I'm sad sure, but I know that we will meet again. Not understand that we will meet again, nor think that we may meet again, I believe with my heart that we will.

Question, do you believe that one "fails" the test if they end up worshiping the incorrect deity?

 

[jakefongloo]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

The devil is a player too. This is preached alot in other texts besides the bible that balance must exist. God and Satan are both equal in power and influence the world on the same magnitude. We as humans love to hear about suffering and misery that doesn't happen to us, so we only focus on the bad.

 

[David Hebda]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

Bible never says God is "good" in the way that we mean good. And it sure as hell never says He is nice... I honestly don't know where this myth of an all loving nice -teddy bear- god idea comes from, but its not from the Bible I can tell you that.

So then we're supposed to side with God simply cuz he's got the biggest guns in town?

Might makes right and justice there is none. Yah, if the God of the Bible is real and the Bible is true then... yes. He is the most powerful being in the universe and no one and nothing has the right to tell Him He is wrong... Sucks to be the clay doesn't it.

 

[The Lesbian Flower]

Well, this makes me both ashamed to be from Kansas and proud to be aloof to God.

 

[Tdc2182]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

You been raped before then?

Same here. I thought it was pretty fun /SUPER SARCASM YEAH!!!!

That's a slightly flawed comeback solely on that many people have been raped and come out of it fine. Maybe jarred, or scared, or sad, but they pick themselves up in a couple of weeks and go kick the shit out of the person who did it (or more likely report it to the police or to someone who could kick the shit out of this person).

From the books I read I can understand someone being completely disillusioned by how helpless they feel in that situation. Stronger people however, will make preparations to make sure they never feel that overpowered and weak again.

Sounds like a fun book. And I have a flawed outlook on it huh?

I'm sure people can take it in their stride. And I respect that.

But I'm rather more concerned with the people who don't come out of it all flowers and butterflies.

 

[jakefongloo]

However, death has no precipice to him. When you die you go to the afterlife to judge on how you handled evil. Life is like one massive test to see how you perform. That guy who stole your wallet, How did you react? That guy who cut you in line, how did you react?

Every mistake that you made
Every evil that has befallen you

Did it not teach you something?

Imagine for a second if people did not commit evil. Imagine if there were no accidents. Everyone's family got to live to old age and the cycle continued for all eternity. What meaning does life have? Why love and care for your family because you pretty much know when they will pass away. Life is precious and he understands that, the only way we as a human race can however is if a genocide happens or something at the same scale.

In this time where science has nearly proved everything on planet earth, where when something happens physicists and psychologists tell you why, it is incredibly hard to believe in something that has you cannot see, hear, or even understand. However, when someone or something close to me passes away I do not feel sorrow. I'm sad sure, but I know that we will meet again. Not understand that we will meet again, nor think that we may meet again, I believe with my heart that we will.

Question, do you believe that one "fails" the test if they end up worshiping the incorrect deity?

No I think religion seriously fucks the process up. Religion was made by man. Faith on the other hand is the core essence of what I'm talking about. You don't even have to believe in god for faith to work. Just having faith that good will come around in the end is enough. I don't THINK Confucianism has a god to mention, but it relies on karma which is equally as powerful.

 

[magnuslion]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

That. Times about a million. I was abused as a child, and I do not use it as an excuse to suck at life and not try. I have supported two friends and a girlfriend past their rape issues. Abuse/rape/assault are like everything else in life: You can let them rule you, or you can chose to rise up and grow stronger.
/rant

 

[jakefongloo]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

You been raped before then?

Same here. I thought it was pretty fun /SUPER SARCASM YEAH!!!!

That's a slightly flawed comeback solely on that many people have been raped and come out of it fine. Maybe jarred, or scared, or sad, but they pick themselves up in a couple of weeks and go kick the shit out of the person who did it (or more likely report it to the police or to someone who could kick the shit out of this person).

From the books I read I can understand someone being completely disillusioned by how helpless they feel in that situation. Stronger people however, will make preparations to make sure they never feel that overpowered and weak again.

Sounds like a fun book. And I have a flawed outlook on it huh?

I'm sure people can take it in their stride. And I respect that.

But I'm rather more concerned with the people who don't come out of it all flowers and butterflies.

I said slightly because it was a comment that was right as well. Adjectives are fun! And, if through the support of love and family and friends and therapists and shelters and whatever they don't at least recover enough to function well...it's a pity but there's not much you can do.

 

[Numb1lp]

It will be better when a generation that grew up with abortion and women's rights take over. quote]
See, I honestly think that women's rights (which I'm all for) is different than abortion.

 

[magnuslion]

Well, this makes me both ashamed to be from Kansas and proud to be aloof to God.

The actions of people =/= God's will. if you had ever read and understood the bible, you would know that.

 

[Tdc2182]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

You been raped before then?

Same here. I thought it was pretty fun /SUPER SARCASM YEAH!!!!

That's a slightly flawed comeback solely on that many people have been raped and come out of it fine. Maybe jarred, or scared, or sad, but they pick themselves up in a couple of weeks and go kick the shit out of the person who did it (or more likely report it to the police or to someone who could kick the shit out of this person).

From the books I read I can understand someone being completely disillusioned by how helpless they feel in that situation. Stronger people however, will make preparations to make sure they never feel that overpowered and weak again.

Sounds like a fun book. And I have a flawed outlook on it huh?

I'm sure people can take it in their stride. And I respect that.

But I'm rather more concerned with the people who don't come out of it all flowers and butterflies.

I said slightly because it was a comment that was right as well. Adjectives are fun! And, if through the support of love and family and friends and therapists and shelters and whatever they don't at least recover enough to function well...it's a pity but there's not much you can do.

Okay then. What the hell is your point in the first place?