Getting raped is like getting a flat tire. Also, it's God's will. Fancy that.

[General Torg]

This bill requires that all private insurance companies remove abortion "from the list of standard procedures covered by in-state insurance health plans." The exception to this is if the woman?s life is in danger. If anyone else wants to gain abortion coverage they would have to purchase a rider for around $2/month. The way that the bill is written also blocks any future mandates from Obamacare from including abortion coverage. The state budget proposal also contains a provision that takes away Title X money (about $300,000) from Planned Parenthood, which is the state's largest abortion provider. However, these funds will be directed towards public hospitals and health departments. Kansas is the 6th state to sign a bill like this. Other recent Kansas bills have banned late-term abortion (22 weeks) and now require parental consent for pregnant minors seeking abortion.

This bill is not about banning abortion. This bill allows those who find abortion morally reprehensible to not have to pay for it. As for Rep Graaf, the tire iron comment probably wasn?t the best analogy. He should of used life insurance or something to that effect as an example.
Sources some of which are less reliable than others, but they all say the same thing. :http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2720156/posts http://www.mcphersonsentinel.com/newsnow/x1058165813/Kansas-backs-bill-restricting-abortion-coverage http://www.christianpost.com/news/kansas-joins-5-states-in-banning-abortion-coverage-50234/ http://www.melchizedekpriest.com/?p=2725 http://birthcontrolhowto.info/abortion-compromise-proponent-affirms-abortion-rider-to-cost-3/ http://citizen-40.tressugar.com/GOP-Usual-Read-Last-Lines-17020770 Sorry, I don't know how shorten those.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

 

[jakefongloo]

Well, this makes me both ashamed to be from Kansas and proud to be aloof to God.

The actions of people =/= God's will. if you had ever read and understood the bible, you would know that.

Preach the love of god, don't judge him for not believing in him. That part is in the bible too.
I understand it's real easy to be cynical however that is always what those who have faith have faced. Shit, look at the jews they're pretty hardcore considering the evil brought onto them repeatedly.

 

[notimeforlulz]

Wait. So it's only rape if you don't get pregnant? Fuck, now we have to change the dictionary, again. This also means that a woman can't possibly rape a man. Dammed double standards. Still, most pissed about the dictionary thing, it's just like we had to with 'accomplished' and 'torture'. Scary it was the republicans fault those times too...

 

[magnuslion]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I hope both of you are brought to task for every person you have ever hurt, ever.

 

[caush123]

and another reason i've lost hope in this government of ours

 

[The Lesbian Flower]

Well, this makes me both ashamed to be from Kansas and proud to be aloof to God.

The actions of people =/= God's will. if you had ever read and understood the bible, you would know that.

True, I have never read the bible but I do believe I have a fairly decent understanding of it. My dad's a pastor, I go to Sunday school and church, etc and yeah, you can't blame Christians for everything. However, every once in a while I took a look at my surroundings, see the stupid things people do, how they twist God's teachings to their own desires and just say "Fuck that shit". If nothing else, I would at least admit that I do what I do for my own reasons and not because of God.

 

[AgentNein]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

Brent Crane says that everything is part of God's plan, so getting raped is his will. It's in the article around the middle of it.

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

God isn't your personal butler or batman. The fact he allows you to exist is gift enough, and if you ask for anything more then you look rather ungrateful and selfish. He gave you tools, use them. God isn't going to do things for you because you are lazy and refuse to use the tools. That is why evolution and darwinism exist. A parent wont support a 40 year old with no job, and acts like a 10 year old.

(deist)

No offense, but your god sounds like kind of a dick. He created a world, created or allowed evil to exist (both man made dickery and natural disasters which cause quite a bit of world suffering but by their very nature have nothing to do with the free will of mankind), and then put us in this unfortunate, dangerous and brutal place to test us, make sure we're thankful? to him? Fuck that guy. Didn't ask nor volunteer to be brought into existence, so I think that cleanly nixes the silly "free will" argument.

Free will is the greatest gift one could give along with existence. Being angry at God is like being pissed at Notch for creating minecraft. Notch doesn't owe us a single damn thing, but he gave us minecraft.

God gives you the gift of existence with almost no limits to do whatever you please, and you're the one that is complaining? That you would rather not exist? With no sentience, conscience, or anything? No one forcing you to live your life, you can opt out at any time on many ways.

I'm actually a pretty happy person, but I'm fully aware that I'm also one of the few fortunate people on the planet earth. Living in first world countries makes it easy to forget how truly shitty and unfair existence CAN be for the majority of people out there. One things for sure, if God exists he doesn't afford all of his peoples equal freedom to do as they please.

But because I understand that different deists have different takes on how things work, would you say that suicide was an out? As in I'm not going to be punished by some God for the choice and just get to cease to be?

And okay, God doesn't owe us a thing. Then I guess I don't owe my son or daughter a thing either. They should thank me for their existence.

 

[magnuslion]

Well, this makes me both ashamed to be from Kansas and proud to be aloof to God.

The actions of people =/= God's will. if you had ever read and understood the bible, you would know that.

Preach the love of god, don't judge him for not believing in him. That part is in the bible too.
I understand it's real easy to be cynical however that is always what those who have faith have faced. Shit, look at the jews they're pretty hardcore considering the evil brought onto them repeatedly.

Take a closer look at my picture. I bet you thought that because I have blonde hair, I am a "white guy". I did not judge anyone, I called him/her out on the fallacy of their beliefs. If you simply allow someone a pass, do not correct them, you are doing them a disservice.

 

[jakefongloo]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

You been raped before then?

Same here. I thought it was pretty fun /SUPER SARCASM YEAH!!!!

That's a slightly flawed comeback solely on that many people have been raped and come out of it fine. Maybe jarred, or scared, or sad, but they pick themselves up in a couple of weeks and go kick the shit out of the person who did it (or more likely report it to the police or to someone who could kick the shit out of this person).

From the books I read I can understand someone being completely disillusioned by how helpless they feel in that situation. Stronger people however, will make preparations to make sure they never feel that overpowered and weak again.

Sounds like a fun book. And I have a flawed outlook on it huh?

I'm sure people can take it in their stride. And I respect that.

But I'm rather more concerned with the people who don't come out of it all flowers and butterflies.

I said slightly because it was a comment that was right as well. Adjectives are fun! And, if through the support of love and family and friends and therapists and shelters and whatever they don't at least recover enough to function well...it's a pity but there's not much you can do.

Okay then. What the hell is your point in the first place?

...hmm

oh! That the argument you posted against the original poster wasn't completely effectual in evidence to the contrary.

Considering that it got tangential quickly it's really not worth pursuing. Breaking it down in the most basic form revealed that little high and mighty of me or in other words "no one put a coin in my slot" I apologize.

 

[Blatherscythe]

So wait, because a woman was raped, which is forced sex against her will, and somehow has the foul luck to actually become pregnant from this terrible encounter she must bear this assholes child without child support or anything? And she has to prepare for something like this like one would for a flat tire? Go fuck yourself DeGraaf, you right wing, anti-abortion, religiously motivated piece of shit. I hope he get's raped by a guy with a dick as long as Rasputin's, probably one of his deepest darkest fears, serves him right for not only saying but trying to pass a fucking law to back up his backward thinking ways.

Why is it that people are against abortion anyways? We already have enough people on the planet and are overpopulated anyways, why do we need to contend with unplanned pregnancies which end in less resources to go around? I mean it's the parents choice and most world powers are multi-cultural with differing beliefs, so be anti-abortion for relgious reasons is unfair to those outside of that religion and is essentially pushing your religion on someone else which violates freedom of religion in Canada.

 

[damocles23]

Fuck those bastards.

 

[jakefongloo]

Well, this makes me both ashamed to be from Kansas and proud to be aloof to God.

The actions of people =/= God's will. if you had ever read and understood the bible, you would know that.

Preach the love of god, don't judge him for not believing in him. That part is in the bible too.
I understand it's real easy to be cynical however that is always what those who have faith have faced. Shit, look at the jews they're pretty hardcore considering the evil brought onto them repeatedly.

Take a closer look at my picture. I bet you thought that because I have blonde hair, I am a "white guy". I did not judge anyone, I called him/her out on the fallacy of their beliefs. If you simply allow someone a pass, do not correct them, you are doing them a disservice.

I guess I read your post rather cynical.
Nvm then.

 

[AlexNora]

we don't need rape insurance we need justice find the rapist and kill him.

 

[Grey Walker]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

Brent Crane says that everything is part of God's plan, so getting raped is his will. It's in the article around the middle of it.

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

God isn't your personal butler or batman. The fact he allows you to exist is gift enough, and if you ask for anything more then you look rather ungrateful and selfish. He gave you tools, use them. God isn't going to do things for you because you are lazy and refuse to use the tools. That is why evolution and darwinism exist. A parent wont support a 40 year old with no job, and acts like a 10 year old.

(deist)

No offense, but your god sounds like kind of a dick. He created a world, created or allowed evil to exist (both man made dickery and natural disasters which cause quite a bit of world suffering but by their very nature have nothing to do with the free will of mankind), and then put us in this unfortunate, dangerous and brutal place to test us, make sure we're thankful? to him? Fuck that guy. Didn't ask nor volunteer to be brought into existence, so I think that cleanly nixes the silly "free will" argument.

Free will is the greatest gift one could give along with existence. Being angry at God is like being pissed at Notch for creating minecraft. Notch doesn't owe us a single damn thing, but he gave us minecraft.

God gives you the gift of existence with almost no limits to do whatever you please, and you're the one that is complaining? That you would rather not exist? With no sentience, conscience, or anything? No one forcing you to live your life, you can opt out at any time on many ways.

I think your analogy to Minecraft is a little off.

We got to try Minecraft for free, then pay for the full version. If we pay for a product then Notch owes us a game.

Suppose you got Minecraft for free, but as soon as you die you can never play it again.

You can do many things, but there are a lot of things you can only do once.

 

[Zaik]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

If i'm understanding you right, you're not understanding the story right.

The guy is making it illegal for health insurance plans to cover anything + abortions. Basically, they'll have their own abortion insurance plans available within a month or three of the law coming out.

It's not a big deal in itself, actually it has very little impact on anything on it's own. Insurance companies will probably just attach multiple policies to one person at the same time for about the same price. The strategy, however, is to slowly make it so difficult to get an abortion that 99% of women give up. Only, in the real world a lot of women will just head over to their closets, grab a metal coathanger, and do the job themselves. Resulting in all sorts of nasty infection deaths, and emergency rooms and hospitals being packed full of even more completely preventable injuries.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Art thou enraged?

I was just using the same strategy this thread was using. Why is it okay when s/he does it, but not okay when I do it?


Edit: Isn't this the second time I've caught you in a clear contradiction now? And you say I'm the troll.

but you are, youve clearly addmited it yourself

anyway want some food? my argument is that unless youve been raped you really should be saying "oh..its not THAT bad" that is if thats what youre saying

I had four paragraphs of angry details, but I know you'd have just ignored it because it was everything in the book except actual rape. I'll sum it up and say the only reason I wasn't is because I was bigger than her. And the other her later. And the third her afterward.

Nope, never been raped. Still, I've been close enough. Maybe taking that next step up from being harassed or threatened into it into outright non-consensual encounters somehow makes it a bazillion times more traumatic, or maybe I'm some sort of hardman who shrugs off mental trauma that breaks others, but I'm really not seeing it. I could see having issues for...months? Perhaps a year for really bad shit. Women string this bullshit out for 10 or 20 years after the fact, just to milk it.

 

[DocBalance]

...At least, it is according to Kansas State Representative Pete De Graaf and Idaho State Representative Brent Crane.

Article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/31/granderson.rape.abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

For people living in Kansas and Idaho...you don't get to complain. You voted these people into office. :x Just sayin'. (And even if you voted against them, they're still representing the state legally. THE FLAW OF A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC! But I digress.)

SO PEOPLE. Do you agree with them? /Waits for the inevitable 3-5 people who say yes.

No. No. Fuck this bullshit. This is not what actual people believe. I'm pro life, I don't approve of state-funded abortions, and even I say this argument does nothing but demean everyone involved. God.

 

[The Great Fa]

So, what this gentleman is saying is that women should be prepared for the fact that sometimes bad things happen in life?

Oh my GOD, you guys! String this man up posthaste!

Ha ha. No. Anyone who thought he was trivializing rape with his comments needs to examine the debate a little more carefully. Nothing about what he said is suggesting that rape is somehow equivalent in scale or trauma to a flat tire. He was merely suggesting preparedness. That's all. I'll admit, he probably could have used a better analogy since folks are obviously reading into this one in the wrong way, but a failed metaphor is hardly worth this level of outrage.

As for the whole abortion thing, I happen to be pro-life, and I applaud this man's efforts on moral grounds (though perhaps not practical ones). That's not really what the thread is about though, so I won't go into detail.

 

[Vault101]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

If i'm understanding you right, you're not understanding the story right.

The guy is making it illegal for health insurance plans to cover anything + abortions. Basically, they'll have their own abortion insurance plans available within a month or three of the law coming out.

It's not a big deal in itself, actually it has very little impact on anything on it's own. Insurance companies will probably just attach multiple policies to one person at the same time for about the same price. The strategy, however, is to slowly make it so difficult to get an abortion that 99% of women give up. Only, in the real world a lot of women will just head over to their closets, grab a metal coathanger, and do the job themselves. Resulting in all sorts of nasty infection deaths, and emergency rooms and hospitals being packed full of even more completely preventable injuries.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Art thou enraged?

I was just using the same strategy this thread was using. Why is it okay when s/he does it, but not okay when I do it?


Edit: Isn't this the second time I've caught you in a clear contradiction now? And you say I'm the troll.

but you are, youve clearly addmited it yourself

anyway want some food? my argument is that unless youve been raped you really should be saying "oh..its not THAT bad" that is if thats what youre saying

I had four paragraphs of angry details, but I know you'd have just ignored it because it was everything in the book except actual rape. I'll sum it up and say the only reason I wasn't is because I was bigger than her. And the other her later. And the third her afterward.

Nope, never been raped. Still, I've been close enough. Maybe taking that next step up from being harassed or threatened into it into outright non-consensual encounters somehow makes it a bazillion times more traumatic, or maybe I'm some sort of hardman who shrugs off mental trauma that breaks others, but I'm really not seeing it. I could see having issues for...months? Perhaps a year for really bad shit. Women string this bullshit out for 10 or 20 years after the fact, just to milk it.

aaaaaannd here we go again

good day and have fun trolling

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

This made so much more sense when I googled him and saw that he was a republican. Nothing like seeing that R next to a politician's name to put batshit incredibly insensitivity, (did I mention batshit?) comments into perspective. These are the same people that when Katrina struck, were probably wondering why all it's residents didn't just move into their summer house in the Hamptons to wait it out.