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Kurokami

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Dahni said:
I hate to criticise what is technically my own kind, being a girl who is fairly into games and all, but this is really getting to me.

First of all, your status as a gamer is not defined by what is between your legs so you are not a "girl gamer", you are a gamer just like everyone else who plays games is and always will be.

Secondly, the lack of female-orientated options in games is not because developers are out to get you, they're out to get profits. Any idiot can look at the spectrum of gamers and find that the amount of girls is miniscule, particularly with games like Call of Duty and Halo. Pouring time and resources into designing female characters is a waste. Why re-design something that works perfectly well to account for a pair of breasts and attract a couple more sales? They want to put as much time and money into making the game enjoyable for the majority, not a small minority.

Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time. A lot of guys I know keep their real lives seperate from their gaming lives. They have girlfriends and yes, they do find them a little irritating at times, so its relaxing to come onto a game and talk to other guys who may be in a similar situation. A girl invading that time can only make them resentful so obviously they're going to be a bit annoyed. They think of their games as a guy thing and the idea of a girl potentially beating them is not favourable. So yes, they will insult you. Yes, they may say some out of order things but a lot of guys are like that to each other all the time and if you can't handle having to put up with the male mentality, then gtfo games.

Don't bother getting pissy about this, I am stating my opinion. I'm a girl so don't think the basis of this is "sexist", or whatever.

EDIT: is it right/fair for girls to demand more recognition in a male-dominated market at the possible expense of decent gameplay due to resources being channelled from gameplay to remaking character customisation, changing dialogue and voiceovers, etc to suit the possibility for a female lead?
I'm curious to see what other gamers think about this trend among "girl gamers".
I'm happy for girls to state their opinions, complain at the immaturity of other players, and despise popular games they dislike because... well that pretty much describes me. If girls want to be themselves in games they should go ahead, sure some gamers will criticize them but that's no reason for them to act differently. Hell its the internet, there's guys out there pretending to be girls, assholes pretending to be pricks, and geeks pretending to be nerds.

If there was a game aimed only at girls out there that would come out, I doubt it would sell well, so you're right there, companies aren't gonna bother aiming straight off for a minuscule audience. As for games that appeal to both males and females... well I don't know what females expect out of games, clearly they enjoy some games that males enjoy too. My little sister currently plays some games with me and she seems fairly happy with that.
 

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Very sorry for being off-topic, I just don't feel I have anything to contribute to this as I simply don't care about girl/guy gamers, and don't see how it should matter whether there's a guy or a girl at the keyboard/holding the controller...

But I like your avatar, OP. =P
 

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Ahhpple said:
Um why are you posting here and invading my space and time, this gaming forum is a "guy" thing
edit: frankly im resentful and annoyed that you made a topic here
Technically there is nothing to say girls can't join in. Personally i find it only fair to let girls have their own oppinions in gaming. If a girl wants to be a hard core gamer then so be it. Men don't always have to have the fun in life. I also find games more dedicated to men nowadays then women and i also find it unfair that it should be that way. Girls should have more gaming chance and also game characters.

I feel resentful and annoyed that you can discriminate girls on this site just because we want to join in what they guys do. We can do just as good if we have the chance. If you think this site should be for 'guys' only then by all means try and alter it and get a large notice on the home page saying its only for men. Otherwise stop complaining that girls want a go also.
 

scarydith

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Dahni said:
Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time.
I was right with you on the points you were making up until this. As a person who plays games, regardless of the fact that I am female, I am not "invading" a space owned by anyone. Anytime sexism is present, anyone who recognises it should speak against it.

Sgt Doom said:
Cock, pussy, meh whatever. You all bleed the same when I headshot you.
Well said. The thread could have been closed here.
 

SweetNess_666

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personally i think girl gamers are cool and would love to see more of them about girl gamers are still gamers as for the whole "i"ll protect you" thing in games if i saw any chars in say call of duty that i knew were girls irl i would have no problem putting a well placed rifle bullet in there brain they girl gamers should be treated any different, but again girl gamers are cool my gf has a xb account and i like nothing more than spending my nights plowing thru the armies of undead on l4d with her (unless i"m plowing her ;)) but thats to go in a different forum i think lol. :)
 

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Kurokami said:
If there was a game aimed only at girls out there that would come out, I doubt it would sell well, so you're right there, companies aren't gonna bother aiming straight off for a minuscule audience.
This would be that miniscule audience that made The Sims the best-selling PC game ever, I assume?
 

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Controversial thread is controversial... enjoy your badge hun. OT: I don't think its really a problem anymore. Any guy who is being sexist now as far as the internet goes is probably trolling you :/. as with all trolls ignore them they get bored give up the joke that's how it works. If someone is really really that bad you can always use the block button.
 

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Well, some of them say "I'm a girl" for attention. I've a good few friends that play games that are girls. They've even managed to kill me on counterstrike a few times D:
 
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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Bring back Eggo and give him mod status--that's what I say.
So that every thread is about how black people are the new white and how much Vista rules? No thanks.

Anyway, without flame threads, where would you hang out Cheeze? :)

As for GRRrrRRRRL gamers - "Once you label me you negate me. " - Soren Kierkegaard
 

CargoHold

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Dahni said:
I hate to criticise what is technically my own kind, being a girl who is fairly into games and all, but this is really getting to me.

First of all, your status as a gamer is not defined by what is between your legs so you are not a "girl gamer", you are a gamer just like everyone else who plays games is and always will be.

Secondly, the lack of female-orientated options in games is not because developers are out to get you, they're out to get profits. Any idiot can look at the spectrum of gamers and find that the amount of girls is miniscule, particularly with games like Call of Duty and Halo. Pouring time and resources into designing female characters is a waste. Why re-design something that works perfectly well to account for a pair of breasts and attract a couple more sales? They want to put as much time and money into making the game enjoyable for the majority, not a small minority.

Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time. A lot of guys I know keep their real lives seperate from their gaming lives. They have girlfriends and yes, they do find them a little irritating at times, so its relaxing to come onto a game and talk to other guys who may be in a similar situation. A girl invading that time can only make them resentful so obviously they're going to be a bit annoyed. They think of their games as a guy thing and the idea of a girl potentially beating them is not favourable. So yes, they will insult you. Yes, they may say some out of order things but a lot of guys are like that to each other all the time and if you can't handle having to put up with the male mentality, then gtfo games.

Don't bother getting pissy about this, I am stating my opinion. I'm a girl so don't think the basis of this is "sexist", or whatever.

EDIT: is it right/fair for girls to demand more recognition in a male-dominated market at the possible expense of decent gameplay due to resources being channelled from gameplay to remaking character customisation, changing dialogue and voiceovers, etc to suit the possibility for a female lead?
I'm curious to see what other gamers think about this trend among "girl gamers".
*Wipes tear of joy*
My thoughts exactly, precisely and 100%.

Especially with the catering to girl gamers thing. A very, very, small minority of guys like to wear girls' makeup. Should makeup manifacturers cater towards the few guys and advertise the makeup as 'stubble-concealing' or something? A guy or two might be more inclined to buy it, but it would also put off far more women.

You cater games towards the minority of girl gamers, it'll probably lessen the appeal to guys, and any increase in sales would probably be less than the loss of sales.
 

Thisbedutch

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You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time.

Really?

In what way is gaming a male domain? Is that like how Science is a male subject, or how girls should stick to Home Economics?

Don't get me wrong, I agree whole-heartedly that you shouldn't define yourself as a "girl" gamer, but as a gamer in general, but the whole "it's not sexist because I'm a girl" is in no way a caveat to the socialied sexism that your argument appears to be based on.

I appreciate that it's just your opinion, but I'd really like to know why you view gaming to be a male domain when it's been available to both genders pretty much since the beginning?

Edit: (damn post happy mouse-click >8|) Also, I would like to know why it is exactly that I should have to put up with a guy being rude to me because he's got a nagging girlfriend. I don't expect my friends in real life to treat me like crap when they have love-live troubles, so why should I accept it from online friends, much less make an exception for gender because the poor dear might be trying to escape his girlfriend because it's just far too stressful for him to cope with?
 

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Chrissyluky said:
Controversial thread is controversial.
Hehe +1 for you.

Thisbedutch said:
I appreciate that it's just your opinion, but I'd really like to know why you view gaming to be a male domain when it's been available to both genders pretty much since the beginning?
Simple, the more controversial the thread is, the most post the person will get, and then they'll get a badge. Yay!
 

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Dahni" post="9.156274.3840555 said:
I hate to criticise what is technically my own kind, being a girl who is fairly into games and all, but this is really getting to me.

the lack of female-orientated options in games is not because developers are out to get you, they're out to get profits. Any idiot can look at the spectrum of gamers and find that the amount of girls is miniscule, particularly with games like Call of Duty and Halo. Pouring time and resources into designing female characters is a waste. Why re-design something that works perfectly well to account for a pair of breasts and attract a couple more sales? They want to put as much time and money into making the game enjoyable for the majority, not a small minority.

Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time. quote]



As a fellow gamer who happens to be a girl I get where you are coming from, but I do have to make several points about what you have said. I used to enjoy being known as a 'girl gamer' I found it amusing how much it seemed to confuse people, especially as I worked in computer game stores when I was a student. However as i got older, repeatedly explaining that yes I was a girl and yes i played games and no i did not get into them through a boyfriend, got to be really knida annoying. This was partly why i decided to write my dissertation on the feminine in gaming; playing, making and as characters and found some really quite surprising things about female gamers;


Firstly, women are not a small minority in gaming, it is not 1:1 but it is almost 2:3 female to male gamers and no, this is not including casual PC games like Solitaire. The female market is the fastest growing market in gaming, in hardcore areas as well and this DEFINITELY includes Halo and Call of Duty.

Secondly, as individuals, female gamers will tend to play a wider range of genres than male gamers, who often may only play one or two different types of games.

Thirdly, there is only one genre that had a significant gender bias among its audience and that was sports games. There was a slight bias towards adventure fantasy among the female group but this was not big enough be significant.

Fourth, while the majority of female gamers do get into it through boyfriends, their gaming is not dependent on them and they have continued to play after the relationships ended.

As a long time gamer i took for granted that female characters would have lower strength but greater speed and that i would have spend most of my time playing through a male protagonist, i just accept it. It is not sexist and it is not really surprising when you consider that the industry actually making the games is also male dominated (although this is evening out).

Should Call of Duty and Halo change to become more 'female friendly' also seems a redundant question, these are awesome games with solid gameplay and plenty of female players. However, games like Rumble Roses or DoA beachball, which are shit and attempt to substitute realistic virtual boobs dynamics for gameplay are sexist, but you may as well complain that most porn is sexist.

The games industry is becoming mainstream, it has been under going this process for quite some time and part of this means that the average gamer is no longer the stereotypical acne ridden reclusive teenage boy. This also means that the style and content of games will broaden also. Just as in films there will be the summer block buster, the sequels, the art house (low sales), something for the kids, the family etc. Complaining that there are not enough games targeted towards female gamers (that are not pink) is a valid complaint, it does not mean that 'masculine' games are in any danger, just as the existence of the chick flick does not threaten action films.
 

magnus gallant

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games are made for the people who buy them, if the only people who buy them are girls, you'll see a lot of girl stuff in them.


if being a girl doesnt define you as a gamer, then why should any aspect of the game appeal to you as somethingyou dont even define yourself as.
 

Thisbedutch

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Thisbedutch said:
I appreciate that it's just your opinion, but I'd really like to know why you view gaming to be a male domain when it's been available to both genders pretty much since the beginning?
Simple, the more controversial the thread is, the most post the person will get, and then they'll get a badge. Yay![/quote]

Ah, of course, I was hoping that they were maybe going for some of debate badge, but I suppose a flame war is much more fun...XP