"Girl Gamers"

[haaxist]

I think that it's fair that some games don't include female orientated content because it ruins it for the majority of gamers if its put in there for the sake of it. IE. That woman in RE5 was put there due to the whole racism thing and I dislike that that's happened. Whereas chars such as Louis in L4D I'm ok with because that's the original plan. Plus, I don't really look at women being comfortable on games where they go around butchering people. I'm just rambling now xD all gamers are awesome but you can't please everyone :3

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm a "girl gamer", and I'm fine with playing games where I go around butchering people. In fact, those are my favourite kinds of games. Any Resident Evil game, the Drakengard games, Doom 3... Pretty much, if it's got blood and gore, I'm gonna play it. And I'm pretty sure that Sheva wasn't put in RE5 because of the racism, but because the developers got sick of hearing people complain about how Ashley was completely useless in the fourth game and if you're gonna make someone follow me around make them USEFUL. If she was there to combat the whole racism thing, well, then I apologize. But please don't assume that games where you walk around butchering the hell out of anything that bleeds is a guys only thing, because it's not.

And it's fair not to have any female-oriented content? That is one of the most sexist things I've ever heard. So girls can only play games that are bright pink and sparkly? If I had to play something like that I'd stab my own eyes out with a pair of rusty scissors. I think it's commendable that developers are (albiet slowly) turning gaming around to the point where girls can have a game with content geared to them, not to some guy the developers assume are going to play the game. Abd how do you know the majority of gamers are guys? And if they are, how can you condone obliterating the rights of the minority for the pleasure of the majority?

 

[Ocelot GT]

I remember when I think a TV show or some internet news site interviewed a girl about girls in gaming. And she said she didn't like how men treated her differently and sometimes wouldn't let her in groups etc and that she hoped one day men wouldn't see her as a girl gamer. But she's also a member of Frag Dolls, an exclusively female group :3

Hypoooocrite ^.^

As for me I just play games for my own enjoyment, if someone acts like a dork thats their problem.

 

[Azulito]

And it's fair not to have any female-oriented content?

how can you condone obliterating the rights of the minority for the pleasure of the majority?

I didn't say its fair or not to have female content O-o; I think I may of gotten lost in translation somewhere because I was in support for 'Girl Gamers'. O-o.

The main point in this is that it'd be nice to see more female gamers around but I was saying that it'd only be a bad thing when it's forced in by a developer because when you add a last minute character because of complaints of racism/sexism then that would affect the games story since the character wasn't originally written in and the story has to be changed based on that.

You're comming off a little aggressive/defensive about it and I feel a little uncomfortable. But I assure you I'm not against girl gamers or female alternatives in games. I'm just adding my comments o be fair and balanced in the view of a developer. Many men would feel uncomfortable having to shoot women in games, as they would shooting childeren. As for "how can you condone obliterating the rights of the minority for the pleasure of the majority?", I didn't say I condoned it, in fact I'm far from conding it! I'm saying that it wouldn't be profitable to developers.

I really don't feel comfortable with being 'attacked' for any reason at all because I spend my life helping people so yeah.. =/ All I want to say is I'm in support of female orientated content aslong as it's intended and balanced.

Plz dun fight meh ._.

 

[PrimoThePro]

... will you marry me?

who are you talking too?

lol the woman who made the thread. her views have captivated me.

 

[Kurokami]

If there was a game aimed only at girls out there that would come out, I doubt it would sell well, so you're right there, companies aren't gonna bother aiming straight off for a minuscule audience.

This would be that miniscule audience that made The Sims the best-selling PC game ever, I assume?

That's not the one because that game wasn't made for girls. I personally enjoyed the first one for a while too, but just because a game appeals mostly to girls doesn't mean it was made for them. (though you may be right about every sims game after that point, as surely by then they realized who they were marketting for)

I can see your point however, really theres more girls then guys out there who can afford games, but I don't know many girls who that thought appeals to. Oh no, the girls I know would never waste their time, instead they watch C4 all day. (can someone explain that to me please?)

 

[Mirroga]

Being a girl doesn't make you special in my case. I will treat a girl the same way I treat a stranger, or a friend, or a gamer. The problem is not in the sexism, the problem is there's no game company that captures the gaming interests of female. Right now, violent and dark games are on the pry catering to the male gaming demographic.

As for today's society, what's with these rules of sexism? Treat everyone equally. Everyone's a freaking human.

 

[Karlaxx]

This is the same as women expecting men to treat them kindly. Now, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you demand equal rights as men, why is it still against moral code for me to hit a girl? You are of the same standing as I am now, why can you hit me but I can't hit back? Also, why should I attempt to be a gentleman for you? You can do everything I can do now, hold the fucking door for me for a change.

Thoughts?

I agree with you whole-heartedly.

I advocate equal rights at every turn. What I cannot stand by any stretch of the imagination are the ones that want superiority instead.

That being said, I'm still nice to girls. Unless they don't deserve it.

 

[Kurokami]

You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time.

Really?

In what way is gaming a male domain? Is that like how Science is a male subject, or how girls should stick to Home Economics?

Don't get me wrong, I agree whole-heartedly that you shouldn't define yourself as a "girl" gamer, but as a gamer in general, but the whole "it's not sexist because I'm a girl" is in no way a caveat to the socialied sexism that your argument appears to be based on.

I appreciate that it's just your opinion, but I'd really like to know why you view gaming to be a male domain when it's been available to both genders pretty much since the beginning?

Edit: (damn post happy mouse-click >8|) Also, I would like to know why it is exactly that I should have to put up with a guy being rude to me because he's got a nagging girlfriend. I don't expect my friends in real life to treat me like crap when they have love-live troubles, so why should I accept it from online friends, much less make an exception for gender because the poor dear might be trying to escape his girlfriend because it's just far too stressful for him to cope with?

Like I answered before to the OP, the internet is everyones domain because we can be anyone we want. I disagree with most gamers, thus most gamers think I'm a prick. You advertise that you're a girl gamer, some idiots will act like pricks. I don't see an issue here at all, sure it may not be the reaction you expect or want, but that's just how it is. Perhaps there are ways to change it, most likely by increasing the 'terratory' females gamers take. But in the end you're not defined by what you are you're defined by what you portray yourself to be. If its a problem for you to be portrayed as a girl gamer then strap on your E-penis and prepare to flaunt it like the rest of those squeeling 12 year old boys infesting the internet. For now atleast, yes gaming and the internet remain largely male territory.

 

[Mirroga]

Like I answered before to the OP, the internet is everyones domain because we can be anyone we want. I disagree with most gamers, thus most gamers think I'm a prick. You advertise that you're a girl gamer, some idiots will act like pricks. I don't see an issue here at all, sure it may not be the reaction you expect or want, but that's just how it is. Perhaps there are ways to change it, most likely by increasing the 'terratory' females gamers take. But in the end you're not defined by what you are you're defined by what you portray yourself to be. If its a problem for you to be portrayed as a girl gamer then strap on your E-penis and prepare to flaunt it like the rest of those squeeling 12 year old boys infesting the internet. For now atleast, yes gaming and the internet remain largely male territory.

I agree here. Both the OP and the so-called pricks are both sexist in their terms. One party thinks they have priveleges because they're girls, the other party thinks the girls are entering their territory. When will this joke of a situation end?

 

[Kurokami]

And it's fair not to have any female-oriented content? That is one of the most sexist things I've ever heard. So girls can only play games that are bright pink and sparkly? If I had to play something like that I'd stab my own eyes out with a pair of rusty scissors. I think it's commendable that developers are (albiet slowly) turning gaming around to the point where girls can have a game with content geared to them.

What kind of games are these? I have no idea what women want from games. Female lead characters? There are some though they tend to lose points in my case, though thats cause for me the majority of pleasure comes from being sucked into a world, which is hard to accomplish if the first thing they fit me for is a bra though most the games I'm talking about do give the player control of gender.

In any case, I'm fine with the idea of a game of for girls provided it doesn't take something away from me, turning some sequal in a beloved franchise for example into a 'girls only' (I know, just cause its aimed at girls doesn't mean its 'just' for girls) game.

not to some guy the developers assume are going to play the game. Abd how do you know the majority of gamers are guys? And if they are, how can you condone obliterating the rights of the minority for the pleasure of the majority?

I know that through assumption that not everyone who claims to be a guy on the internet is lying and If they are all lying they could just as well be chipmunks or aliens playing, I have no definite proof that its a majority of guys, I doubt anyone does so consider it an educated guess.

edit: by the way, I didn't mean to come off as an asshat with that final statement, I'm just saying of course no ones 'sure' most gamers are males. But in my opinion, and most of the world, they are.

 

[Acier]

So, you don't like sexism but you're being sexist yourself?

I'm completely lost your thought process.

Also several of these posts make me rage. Hard.

 

[Gyrefalcon]

*Wipes tear of joy*
My thoughts exactly, precisely and 100%.

Especially with the catering to girl gamers thing. A very, very, small minority of guys like to wear girls' makeup. Should makeup manifacturers cater towards the few guys and advertise the makeup as 'stubble-concealing' or something? A guy or two might be more inclined to buy it, but it would also put off far more women.

You cater games towards the minority of girl gamers, it'll probably lessen the appeal to guys, and any increase in sales would probably be less than the loss of sales.[/quote]

Why? Because women aren't 50% of the population? And if I keep getting told "if the game is good why should it matter?" then why would those some guys suddenly feel the game's "appeal was lessened" if it had better female characters and dialogue?

And by the way...I have male goth friends, I do believe he enjoys products made with the male make-up wearer in mind.

 

[Gyrefalcon]

What kind of games are these? I have no idea what women want from games.

*Um-isn't that the point? Neither you nor the developers know what women want in a game. Doesn't it mean you should ask instead of assuming what they want is so different from what you want right off the bat?

I doubt anyone does (sic: know how many gamers are girls) so consider it an educated guess.

*educated guesses require some sort of basis. I have done my home work and traveled across my state and taken head counts at conventions and college gaming events. I have also done research into what is known about gamer statistics.

I haven't seen any research conducted since a survey back in the 1980's by a magazine. Isn't it about time we had a REAL poll again? Not some mini-localized one but a larger scale one to see who REALLY DOES play games and what kinds? :/

edit: by the way, I didn't mean to come off as an asshat with that final statement, I'm just saying of course no ones 'sure' most gamers are males. But in my opinion, and most of the world, they are.

*And at the end you acknowledge it is your opinion and you still don't offer insight as to how many gamers you know and what percentages you've found. (But on that note, I think I should consider formally tabulating what I have gotten...)

 

[Spekter068]

In my experience, women possess more common sense than men do. There is no logical reason for Professional Bull Riding (yes, it is a real sport) to exist, but it does, and the testosterone cracks me up. Women aren't driven to do those kinds of stupid things, generally.

Of course there's a logical reason for it. It's a competition. What does this have to do with common sense?

Simple: common sense says 'Stay away from angry bulls because they are dangerous. Climbing onto their backs will not calm them down.' The competition only proves who can stay on top of an angry bull for the longest amount of time. I really don't understand why we risk serious bodily harm just to prove that we can do something that really isn't a very good idea no matter how you look at it.

Yes, it's a test of strength, but there are better ways of testing that.

Don't get me wrong- I do things like this, too. I just wonder why.

 

[Mirroga]

Can someone summarize me what they are discussing now? I might help with the situation.

 

[spikeyjoey]

You dont find many women single handedly taking down terrorist organisations thats why theres so few female leads

they just dont have the biceps ^ ^

 

[Kurokami]

What kind of games are these? I have no idea what women want from games.

*Um-isn't that the point? Neither you nor the developers know what women want in a game. Doesn't it mean you should ask instead of assuming what they want is so different from what you want right off the bat?

So let me get this straight, you're calling me out on asking what gamer girls want because I don't know and recommending that I should ask?

*educated guesses require some sort of basis. I have done my home work and traveled across my state and taken head counts at conventions and college gaming events. I have also done research into what is known about gamer statistics.

Congratulations, you're right, I did no research cause I don't give a fuck. But can you honestly tell me that you think more girls play games then guys?

[*And at the end you acknowledge it is your opinion and you still don't offer insight as to how many gamers you know and what percentages you've found. (But on that note, I think I should consider formally tabulating what I have gotten...)

The only girl gamer I know is my sister, there have been other people I've played with claiming to (with some evidence) be girl gamers too, but I don't care enough to waste my life finding out how many girls play games. Its irrelavent.

 

[spikeyjoey]

Can someone summarize me what they are discussing now? I might help with the situation.

haha good point- i trimmed down my post as i realised half of it was the complete opposite of what the OT was on about

 

[Night Sister]

Our gaming guild has more females than males.

We are going to invade FE shortly. Some of the gals like the non-combat areas like we had in SWG.

A few of us like to get our hands dirty, as long as we dont have to break a nail doing it

 

[Mirroga]

The racists on both parties have stopped bickering, but the trolls are keeping the flames alive. Noez, the war will never end.

Seriously, someone lock this thread of flames and trolls.