"Girl Gamers"

[aesshen]

I hate to criticise what is technically my own kind, being a girl who is fairly into games and all, but this is really getting to me.

Your own kind? I thought gamer isn't defined by what's between your legs. That we're just gamers like everyone else.

Technicall your kind? Yeah, no. You are not my kind, sir.

First of all, your status as a gamer is not defined by what is between your legs so you are not a "girl gamer", you are a gamer just like everyone else who plays games is and always will be.

I like the irony that this implies that men and females are equal and that there's no need for distinction. Especially when it's followed wiiiiiiith:

Secondly, the lack of female-orientated options in games is not because developers are out to get you, they're out to get profits. Any idiot (that's you) can look at the spectrum of gamers and find that the amount of girls is miniscule, particularly with games like Call of Duty and Halo. Pouring time and resources into designing female characters is a waste. Doesn't Halo have female Spaaaartaaaans? Why re-design something that works perfectly well to account for a pair of breasts and attract a couple more sales? Wouldn't breasts attract more males than females? We do have our own, y'know. They want to put as much time and money into making the game enjoyable for the majority, not a small minority. And yet games are usually shunned when they choose to not include subtitles. There are less deaf male gamers than there are female gamers, I assure you.

You really no nothing of the industry beyond what you think applies based on capitalism and your own ignorance, but okay.

Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. In other words, OP supports harassment because the opposing force has a penis. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time. Those guys are invading what I've always thought of as being my space, my time. A lot of guys I know keep their real lives seperate from their gaming lives. Because if their girlfriends found out that they were sexist pigs/rude nits they'd drop them. They have girlfriends and yes, they do find them a little irritating at times, so its relaxing to come onto a game and talk to other guys who may be in a similar situation. K. A girl invading that time can only make them resentful so obviously they're going to be a bit annoyed. Well, you're the professor. They think of their games as a guy thing and the idea of a girl potentially beating them is not favourable. Because they're really little boys. So yes, they will insult you. And I will report them. :3 Yes, they may say some out of order things but a lot of guys are like that to each other all the time and if you can't handle having to put up with the male mentality, then gtfo games. I've yet to have a guy call another guy out on having a vagina.

If you can't handle having to put up with a female mentality, gtfo games. If a person is sexist towards me I have the right to bring the issue into the light. Not doing so promotes a culture based on females being lesser than males. It makes people think that what they do is alright when it isn't. If someone is rude to me, I will bring it up.

Don't bother getting pissy about this because you don't want to put up a good argument, I am stating my opinion. I'm a girl so don't think the basis of this is "sexist", or whatever.

Females are perfectly capable of being sexist towards females. The implication that you being female means anything shows your lack of understanding on the subject. No, you're not sexist. You're just stupid.

EDIT: is it right/fair for girls to demand more recognition in a male-dominated market at the possible expense of decent gameplay due to resources being channelled from gameplay to remaking character customisation, changing dialogue and voiceovers, etc to suit the possibility for a female lead? Asking for female leads =/= demanding the entire game be changed. I very highly doubt any female has asked a game to be completely undone to support a female lead.

ITT the OP doesn't actually know how to make video games. Nobody's going to stop developing gameplay just because some modelers need to add a female design, you nit. "OMGZ, THEIR TUKIN' WAY RESORZES 4 GAEMS." No, the people working on the gameplay aren't the same ones designing the character models. They're not the same ones developing multiplayer or penning the script. If gameplay is shit because they needed to add female aspects to the game, the gameplay was going to be bad either way.

I'm curious to see what other gamers think about this trend among "girl gamers". After you blatantly say you don't want people to get pissy. You won the contradiction award.

Turning a blind eye to harassment, genuinely supporting a male-dominated industry to stay male-dominated, and uninformed on the things you attempt to argue against/for. You're probably the reason we live in a rape culture.

... oh my god. Can I marry you? I mean, I'm assuming you're a lady, so we could go to Connecticut. Otherwise, anywhere, anytime. YOU ARE AMAZING.

 

[Zanduar]

To the OP: Pink games need to stop getting made but they sell like hotcakes...

 

[Symplify]

This is the same as women expecting men to treat them kindly. Now, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you demand equal rights as men, why is it still against moral code for me to hit a girl? You are of the same standing as I am now, why can you hit me but I can't hit back? Also, why should I attempt to be a gentleman for you? You can do everything I can do now, hold the fucking door for me for a change.

Thoughts?

Do the words "Glass Ceiling" mean anything to you? How about the fact that women still face restrictions as to where they can serve in the military? Or how about the fact that women still make roughly 80 cents to the male dollar?

For the military aspect; it's because of physical and emotional differences. Women are, biologically, not as physically built as men are, nor as capable of accepting suffering and pain (particularly in others) as men generally are. There are always exceptions to the rules, but women are wired differently to men. Female brains develop slightly faster for the same reason.

So, in light of those two things, women can't be in certain branches like special forces.

Women also choose different career paths to men because of different interests and therefore make different amounts of money.


OT: The OP is my hero. If only all women were as reasonable as you.

I also believe that making a woman the primary character in a game would likely keep some male players away, as they wouldn't want to play as a chick, particularly if it is obvious she is a chick and it's in the wrong genre. But it probably wouldn't overwhelmingly hurt sales.

 

[akmarksman]

isn't she supposed to be in the kitchen?

/sarcasm.

I know about 4 girl gamers..and they don't care that much about character selection in games,they just play the game.

 

[RTR]

I wish I could meet more girls that are into as much as I am.

 

[UtopiaV1]

I love how this thread is called "Girl Gamers", with the quotations around the words and everything. It's as if you believe there aren't actually girl gamers...

Which is true. My girlfriend plays the Wii and DS, which means she is certainly, and definitely, -not- a girl gamer. She is a girl who likes remote controls and drawing.

Let the hate-bile begin!

Also, OP, the suffragette movement would be so proud of you, campaigning about an irreverent choice of semantics that only a small fraction of the entire would would ever even consider uttering. Thus the internet is clogged up with more useless tosh... Have a productive day.

 

[yeah_so_no]

Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time. A lot of guys I know keep their real lives seperate from their gaming lives. They have girlfriends and yes, they do find them a little irritating at times, so its relaxing to come onto a game and talk to other guys who may be in a similar situation. A girl invading that time can only make them resentful so obviously they're going to be a bit annoyed. They think of their games as a guy thing and the idea of a girl potentially beating them is not favourable. So yes, they will insult you. Yes, they may say some out of order things but a lot of guys are like that to each other all the time and if you can't handle having to put up with the male mentality, then gtfo games.

No. No, I am not going to stop complaining about sexism, or excuse away men behaving like jackasses because it's "their space." That's just another case of "oh, boys will be boys" and using it to absolve guys of any responsibility to act like decent human beings. If some guy has a problem with being beaten by a girl, that is HIS problem, not mine, and I should not have to bear the brunt of it. We all game to have fun; a guy's bruised ego should not result in a woman being called names just because she dared to beat him. Screw that. Same with all the casual racism and homophobia. It's not cool and it's not acceptable, and no one should let it slide.

 

[ThatsBitch3n]

1. I have seen millions of threads like this.
2. I really dont care if im playing with a "girl gamer" if she isn't terrible.

 

[cheese_wizington]

This seems to me like five paragraphs of some pissed off chick ranting.

Sorta like...

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[Gyrefalcon]

I hate to criticise what is technically my own kind, being a girl who is fairly into games and all, but this is really getting to me.

First of all, your status as a gamer is not defined by what is between your legs.

Secondly, the lack of female-orientated options in games is not because developers are out to get you, they're out to get profits. Any idiot can look at the spectrum of gamers and find that the amount of girls is miniscule, particularly with games like Call of Duty and Halo. Pouring time and resources into designing female characters is a waste.

Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time. . A girl invading that time can only make them resentful so obviously they're going to be a bit annoyed. They think of their games as a guy thing and the idea of a girl potentially beating them is not favorable. So yes, they will insult you. Yes, they may say some out of order things but a lot of guys are like that to each other all the time and if you can't handle having to put up with the male mentality, then stop gaming.

Don't bother getting pissy about this, I am stating my opinion. I'm a girl so don't think the basis of this is "sexist", or whatever.

EDIT: is it right/fair for girls to demand more recognition in a male-dominated market at the possible expense of decent game play due to resources being channeled from game play to remaking character customization, changing dialogue and voice-overs, etc to suit the possibility for a female lead?
I'm curious to see what other gamers think about this trend among "girl gamers".

Wow, Dahni, you realize that your reasoning means that women shouldn't have the vote, or get to work at jobs outside of the home, or play sports because these were "male dominated areas that we are invading".

And yes, although game designers are not "out to get women" they do need to appease me as a consumer of their products. If I don't like what they are doing I will spend my hard earned dollar elsewhere.

And although a game may be good, I DO prefer a choice of a male or female. I don't always play girls but I like the option. And I know a lot of guys who stand by the idea that if they have to look at the backside of a character for hours on end, it should at least be aesthetically pleasing. I don't ask WWII games to have female soldiers nor character specific ones like Batman titles to have a female opposite. But I do want developers to know what I would like to see in a game, and as such I have to stand out as a "gamer girl". In the broader sense, yes, I just consider myself as a gamer. But there were a lot of women who worked to pave the way for girls to BE accepted as gamers and some still have to fight.


@Charles-McDashin: I have been collecting the stories of gamer girls and giving talks on the subject at various conventions. Guess what? The acceptance of girls as gamers is only RECENTLY gaining momentum. When one girl was told she couldn't be in a comic shop because "She had breasts" she took it as a challenge and made it her hang-out and became a gamer girl out of spite.

But most women won't do this. One bad experience of being made fun of when trying to learn to play, or being made uncomfortable in any way (as with above example) and they will abandon the venture. I know of others who have female friends who think they are weird for liking games. So the prejudice is not one-sided. But as with most prejudices, if we aren't experiencing them we become lulled into the false impression that such discrimination is no longer going on. Allow me to assert that they are. There are still guys who are surprised that a girl would be a gamer of her own accord. And there are many gamer girls who can't find another female gamer in their area to play with. The numbers are hardly 50-50.

So why the tag-line of "gamer girl" instead of gamer? One good reason?

How about market research?

Do you KNOW what kind of awful stuff gets marketed to "girls" currently? Without feedback the companies will STILL have no idea what women would like to see. If they find out that a number of gamer girls exist, maybe we'd see fantasy women in armor that would actually work in a battle, and perhaps the number of pink colored shopping sims would go down! Ugh! So I present this as my answer to your question.

Aside: I have also heard of guys who "had to give up gaming because of their wife". I can't help but wonder if those wives were told they couldn't play at some point and thus decided they weren't going to put up with that in their homes. If so, then encouraging women to join the ranks of gamers takes on a new importance.

 

[Rock 'n' Soul]

Girl gamers are great, I wish I could find one in real life.

But my current girlfriend couldn't aim a thumbstick, hold the left trigger and pull the right trigger if the life of herself, me, and everyone she has ever known depended on it.

Thank god I got one good laugh out of this thread. We are a rare breed, but be careful with the ones you find. In my experience, a fair number are just as annoying as the 14 year old kids who discover Vent.

 

[purplegothchick]

I'd be really uncomfortable having to shoot a woman in the back of the head in a game. It's just REALLY not something I like to do, same with harming animals in games.

Which is why I maintain radio silence. That way, I get killed just like everyone else cos no-one knows I'm a girl! Seriously though, I just don't see the point in talking to people online, we're there to kill each other mercilessly so I don't even bother with the mic with anyone other than my brother and people who are on my friends list that I play co-op with.

And you must have been mauled to death by the dogs in COD :-S

 

[TheHitcher]

I hate to criticise what is technically my own kind, being a girl who is fairly into games and all, but this is really getting to me.

First of all, your status as a gamer is not defined by what is between your legs so you are not a "girl gamer", you are a gamer just like everyone else who plays games is and always will be.

Secondly, the lack of female-orientated options in games is not because developers are out to get you, they're out to get profits. Any idiot can look at the spectrum of gamers and find that the amount of girls is miniscule, particularly with games like Call of Duty and Halo. Pouring time and resources into designing female characters is a waste. Why re-design something that works perfectly well to account for a pair of breasts and attract a couple more sales? They want to put as much time and money into making the game enjoyable for the majority, not a small minority.

Lastly, quit complaining about guys being "sexist" or whatever on games. You are a female invading what guys have always thought of as being their space, their time. A lot of guys I know keep their real lives seperate from their gaming lives. They have girlfriends and yes, they do find them a little irritating at times, so its relaxing to come onto a game and talk to other guys who may be in a similar situation. A girl invading that time can only make them resentful so obviously they're going to be a bit annoyed. They think of their games as a guy thing and the idea of a girl potentially beating them is not favourable. So yes, they will insult you. Yes, they may say some out of order things but a lot of guys are like that to each other all the time and if you can't handle having to put up with the male mentality, then gtfo games.

Don't bother getting pissy about this, I am stating my opinion. I'm a girl so don't think the basis of this is "sexist", or whatever.

EDIT: is it right/fair for girls to demand more recognition in a male-dominated market at the possible expense of decent gameplay due to resources being channelled from gameplay to remaking character customisation, changing dialogue and voiceovers, etc to suit the possibility for a female lead?
I'm curious to see what other gamers think about this trend among "girl gamers".

Best thing a girl gamer's ever said. Not just 'cause I'm a guy, but 'cause it's true. The sooner people start seeing that both genders are equal in gaming, the better. But it's good to hear it from a girl gamer, 'cause no one would listen to a guy saying this.

/respect

 

[grimsprice]

This is the same as women expecting men to treat them kindly. Now, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you demand equal rights as men, why is it still against moral code for me to hit a girl? You are of the same standing as I am now, why can you hit me but I can't hit back? Also, why should I attempt to be a gentleman for you? You can do everything I can do now, hold the fucking door for me for a change.

Thoughts?

Do the words "Glass Ceiling" mean anything to you? How about the fact that women still face restrictions as to where they can serve in the military? Or how about the fact that women still make roughly 80 cents to the male dollar?

Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me. This again? How many times am i going to have to explain this? fuck. ok. (im talking about america here...)

Women don't make it into the Navy Seals because they can't pass the physical test. Women don't usually have the biological capability to be as strong as a man. Genetically, you have different expertises. Get over it.

Women don't make 80 cents on the dollar. They make 80% what a man would make yearly. Why? Because women usually don't work as many hours. Taking care of the kids is still the social norm for a women. On average, women will work less. On AVERAGE. I don't want to hear about your friend who works 80 hours. There are outliers in any math calculation. Second, women take way more sick days per year. Those two phenom-noms conspire to produce a statistical ghost. Oh my god! That female manager makes 80,000 a year while the male manager in the next chain makes 100,000! Holy shit! she must be making 80 cents on the dollar!

Now i understand the psychological need to have a goal or obstacle to overcome in life. Its a human instinct. But try to pick a problem that actually exists.

 

[baseracer]

Well, Those developer's know who the base market is, and changing it to appeal to both sexes might alienate its base market (where they get all of their money from).

 

[G1eet]

You would do well to observe the scholarly musings of Bob if you find anything sexist about the video game industry.

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[kingofbaseball27]

This is the same as women expecting men to treat them kindly. Now, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you demand equal rights as men, why is it still against moral code for me to hit a girl? You are of the same standing as I am now, why can you hit me but I can't hit back? Also, why should I attempt to be a gentleman for you? You can do everything I can do now, hold the fucking door for me for a change.

Thoughts?

How true

 

[SantoUno]

Likewise... I'm thinking on trying out XBL, even though I think it's a rip-off. How often should I expect to meet the same nasal-sounding mouth-breathers that you're talking about it, and is there an option to avoid players because they're douche-bags and very unlikeable?

I haven't played XBL in months so I cannot recall quite well. I do remember that you can mute any player you end up with in matchmaking (for Halo 3 and CoD4, don't know if you can do it for every game). If you find some of those players to be intolerable to play with look them up in your Recent Players list and I think there are options to take against them, but I do not atm what options you have.

OT: Maybe I should play with the author of this thread when I get a 360 .