Girls and the games aimed at men

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Evil Tim

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bagodix said:
We are talking about multiplayer.
So what? Multiplayer has even less reason to exclude, since it has only a tangental relationship to any form of plot and is largely about the competitive element; as long as the player avatars have the same hitboxes it doesn't really matter what they look like. Also, your "debating" style of just issuing flat denials without any form of reasoning is pathetic.
 

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i dont mean to be this guy but the target audience is definitly male from 10 to possible 40 or 30 (im just asuming that because my grandpa couldn't even stand saving private ryan great piece of cinema btw) but anyway stereotypical males are mentally infirior and phisicly superior (know i didn't spell it right but got a soccer ball smashed into my head today) therefore easier to have killed (btw have you talked to people on modern warfare 2 yet? ran into 1 girl in about a week possible more playing but not talking) but a lets say lesser intelectual (spelled it wrong i know) american will sometimes objectivy women (and if you read all this sorry for wasting your time)
 

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Not many game developers care about what we think. If they want to put female characters and whatnot , they will, if not, they won't.
Doesn't matter who buys their games, as long as he/she has money.
 

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mstickle said:
Funny, I just remembered something from COD4 too, the only female I remember managed to crash her heli only to have you risk your life to save her...
Something you failed miserably at.
Yeah that was something that annoyed the shit out of me.
 

Froobyx

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I tend to avoid the whole girly thing in game. I realise it's male dominated, I stay quiet and kick ass ;D

But I like the whole guy thing in game, I'm not exactly girly.

But each to their own. I'd hate it if more girls started playing games, means in a few years when I start working in the industry I have to cater for more than one gender. x]
 

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Just as a point, Unreal Tournament had, has, and always will have from now until the end of the gaming series female characters. In fact half the time I enter a random match, I am one.

But that's not the point I wanted to make, though I'm going to use the same game and apply it to many at once. A good quarter of the cast is female, another quarter male, and the rest are robots or aliens, but when you're actually PLAYING the game, do you actually look to see if it has boobs before you put two in the head? If you said yes to this question, I want to play with you. I could use the easy frags. Point being, when you're playing, you're likely not looking at what you're shooting. If it's trying to kill you, you kill it first male, female, or six foot tall hermaphrodite with a flock of seagulls haircut and only one nostril(Thank you, Weird Al, I can die happy now). Gender is, in the end, utterly asthetic in games. It's like turning down the fountail of youth just because the fountain was made of the wrong stone and you don't like the color: Trivial. You can try to point out sexism games, and in todays world you might even get somewhere, win a lawsuit, rake in money, but at this point you're missing the purpose of the games, to just have fun. Instead of complaining that there are no female characters around, instead why not try to find the good in it, maybe, I'm surrounded by a group of guys that could bench a Volvo running around without a shirt on? Not really my bag, but just sayin'.
 

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Honestly if girls really want changes in games suited more to themselves, there's going to need be a fluctuation of girls playing games for anything to happen.

But I'd welcome those changes as much as the next unbiased gamer. As long as it isn't taken too far of course, though I'm perfectly happy with the way things are now.
 

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Good grief, some people in here really have quite a "Stone Age" attitude to this.

Though it may be DLC, Metal Gear Online does just fine with having women in combat. While women in most armies may not be able to fight on the front lines (notable exclusions including Israel and China), in real armies soldiers don't respawn, get points for taking arbitrary capture points, or get anywhere near as much tactical/strategic independence as they do in multiplayer MW2! I think realism is, in multiplayer, not exactly a key concern.

Team Fortress 2's characters have an "image" and personality style. MW2 and MGO's troops are closer to being representations of the player - they're anonymous soldier grunts that you pick details of.
 

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mstickle said:
I just wish there was a customisation for MW2 online that allows for a female soldier. I can't see why not.
1. Realism- Infinity Ward has pride in their work. As many people have already stated, females are not frontline combatants. Being the Call of Duty serise, the game is ENTIRELY focused on front-line combat. Hence, no females.

2. Production Cost- It's much easier to use models from single player to fill out models in multiplayer. The fact is that the cost to make a female set of models versus the amount of people who would actually care, is a loss in profit!

Now, I have VERY strong feelings on this type of topic and could probably write a huge testamony as to why this is, how a lot of the examples as "damsels in distress" are really some of the strongest portrayed characters in gaming and how most of the examples you used to argue your original point are terribly unresearched, but we'll leave all that to my personal brooding. The fact is you have two choices right now:

1. Keep playing the games you love because they point you're arguing is stupid and pointless. It's such a small factor in the actual purpose of the game, which is to enjoy the type of games which you love, that you're going to keep playing and enjoy it anyways

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2. That fact is enough for you to stop playing those sorts of games and start searching for games that cater to your needs: all that nice shooting action with female avatars included. And there are some out there. Rainbow Six: Vegas & Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 have both had the option to create female avatars.

Above all else, stop complaining about things that you can change. If you really feel that strongly about the subject, why are you putting your opinion here? Send a letter to Infinity Ward. Start a petition that, with the next map pack, they should include female avatars. If enough people feel strongly about it and the company believes it is to the benefit of their product, they'll help you out. That, or do a little research into games that actually have what you want instead of buying into all the hype for "Game of the Year" titles.

Bottom line is that it is your choice, and you get out of gaming what you put into it.
 

Flames66

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The problem with female customizations in multi play is that most of the ones that you meet are men. the actual girls who play the game just want to play it rather than have all the guys chasing them around like "Hay it's a Girl in a GAME OMG FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm not a girl but I've seen this happen a lot. It's even worse at LAN parties.
 

PiCroft

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bagodix said:
Metroid Prime, Borderlands (optionally), Left 4 Dead/2 (optionally), Portal...
Apart from Metroid, I can't believe I missed some of those :/
 

PiCroft

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Oh yeah, Silent Hill 3. It was the only SH with a female lead, but I think the game did a good job or portraying her in a way that made her human, rather then a cliche'.
 

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slabomeat said:
Well females do join the military, but I know as far as the US military females can't be in combat and are never intentionally put in that position.
Where are you getting this information? If you've seen an American movie or TV show about warfare since 2000, you should know that women do indeed fight. Women can officially do anything in the military as their male counterparts.
 

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Kuchinawa212 said:
I suppose, but you gotta be sure that they don't turn into a girly game. Sure, I see what your saying, and I agree, they really need to make more of a effort, but it's hard to serve both audiences
Not really. They just need to include more female protagonist options in more games. OP is clearly not looking for more Princess Peach adventures, just more Jill Valentines/Samus Arans.
 

funguy2121

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bagodix said:
mstickle said:
The thing that actually got me think about all this was one of the accolades - ALPHA MALE: Killed most of lower rank, I in jest said to my husband "that's a bit sexist".
This is a shining example of modern feminism. When there are no real problems, just start whining about some profoundly trivial and arbitrary bullshit.

As I thought more about it I wondered why there was no option to have a female charater in multiplayer
Because basically females have no place in MW2's setting.

You don't see me complain when the game's protagonist is female. In fact, given the choice I will always play a female character in a game.
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This is a shining example of modern misogyny. If you read the words you quoted (and let's presume that you did, because you QUOTED them), you would know that she was joking, not whining. Just like the military, video games are by and large a man's world (well, really a boy's world, but whatever). So in hardcore titles the wimmins is usually relegated to eye candy or supporting roles or ignored altogether.

Unfortunately, since the OP isn't into girly shovelwear casual games based on Bratz dolls, hers is a fairly small demographic and one that really doesn't attract much attention.
 

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CerealKiller said:
If those are exactly what you need then where's the point of this?

Other than that,let's face it,it's in mens nature to do all those things.Shoot,kill etc.I know,i know,"damn stereotypes","damn nature" but hey,that's how things are.It makes sense having male figures in those games.I don't care if there's not a single person to agree with me in this,that's how things are.
You have a very small mind, sir. Are you positing that it is MY nature to murder, kill and destroy, because I occasionally pick up an FPS?

Friggin' dumb.