Girls and the games aimed at men

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Namulith

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Does the "sex" of the pixels you're shooting at/from change anything about the gameplay? If not, why does it matter?
 

Phenakist

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RS Vegas2 has female characters, plenty of guys use them although I think they are taking a "humiliating being killed by a girl" angle, that or they are unbelievably horney and get off at a women in not even close to scanty clothing.

My point is when girls are put in multiplayer games they tend to be abused and just ends up with loads of sexist comments and stuff, for example, in the old days on Perfect Dark a guy said to me once "Dude, OF COURSE you killed me, I was a GIRL".

I rest my case.
 

Spitfire175

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mstickle said:
This is what I mean. I don't like the fact that there have to be girl games and boy games. I'm sure there's some guy out there that plays Barbie horse adventures or whatever that just wishes that it could be a tiny bit less pink XD

I just wish there was a customisation for MW2 online that allows for a female soldier. I can't see why not.
Y'know, that'd be goofy. Speaking from experience, as a fully trained soldier, when it comes to the tough bits, women can't keep up: in an exercise involving a batallion of female volunteer recruits, who had been in the army for a year, they weren't able to complete their objectives. All due to physical strength: on avarage a man is ~30% stronger than a woman (this is statistics). A 130 lbs woman cannot carry a 170 lbs bloke in tactical gear, 2 assault rifles and an anti tank weapon, which was the case: carry a mate a distance of ~3,5 miles in less than 45 minutes, while constantly under attack by hostiles. I managed, barely, and I was in top shape back then. None of the women did. So from a boring point of view, just no. It would look very off place. Sorry for rant, but I had to.

In general, I don't see where this is coming from? Do you HAVE to play as a female just because you are? No. Are you given the chance whenever it's reasonably possible? Yes. It's not like men have restricted themselves to playing only male characters, is it? (I played/still play Borderlands as Lilith, just because her action skill is just fo friggin' awesome) And do you think the gamers playing MW2/etc can really relate to iron hard badass soldiers? I think not. War just happens to be a business for men, games on the matter usually feature men as playable characters, which is only logical.

And if playing the vanilla games doesn't suit ya, get familiar with modding. No real limits there. Unless you restrict yourself to console games.
 

Ocelot GT

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The games are trying to be semi-realistic though and women in combat doesn't exist. Thus the lack of female soldiers =(

Unless u play rainbow six or something.

But I wanna see more female characters in FPS games for me to play. But I can survive playing a boy rifleman.
 

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gillebro said:
the day that nintendo release a zelda game with zelda as the main character kicking serious arse in the way that i think most of us believe she can, is the day that i can officially declare myself able to die happy.
Ocarina of Time had that. :)
 

jamesworkshop

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joshthor said:
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the gaming world is generally a man's world. Women are the minority. Thus men will be catered to more. Sad fact. So there's going to be a lot of playing to the bloke's ego: damsel in distress minor characters or... damn, I can't think of another exception than Perfect Dark right now.

Well, you get my point. Now I'm off to read Terry Pratchett alone and sob gently into my pillow, like every other night.
Basically this.

Aside from the sobbing, that's just not cool bro'

My pet hate is how women are depicted in fantasy RPGs: Dainty little things who can lift a sword and fight despite having the figure of a fashion model.
quite right - i would much rather have a large burly woman with biceps the size of a rocket launcher.
Really a 2.5-5 lb sword shouldn't be trouble for a normal adult women in fact its shouldn't be a problem for anyone over the age of seven
 

Roadface

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I can't fully understand why it bothers you so much... It's an fps. First Person Shooter. You aren't seeing your model except after you die or something. Plus if the game is anything like css you can just join a server that has custom skins ( I joined one with salor moon skins lol). I suppose to begin to understand why it would bother you, I think someone out there needs to make an all female fps for kicks. But they cannot have the females in there as sex objects. Just have them doing the normal miltia stuff. Guys are perverted though and don't mind playing females characters ( mostly because they want to stare at a chicks ass as they run instead of a dudes); so even then it wouldn't have the desired effect. In short, just deal with it.
 

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Meh. It's CoD, it's a testosterone fest, what do you want? Don't play it if you don't like it, but complaining about it makes no sense, it would be like me playing Barbie's Adventures or whatever and complaining because I can't play the game as a space marine.
 

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Gender is not important in games, maybe? When I'm playing as some kind of robot alien thing in some games, i don't think to myself ''This would be a lot better if i played as human male.''
I like to play as female characters if that actually changes the story.
As for MW2, you know that they are assholes, they probably don't give a shit about women.
But that's just a gender. I have penis, you have vagina, so what? We are human.
I don't know what i was going to say, so I'll say that you have to enjoy the game for what it is, not to look for sexists/racists e.t.c.
When making a character in a game, game developers should flip a coin to decide if it's going to be a men or a woman. That would be fair and acceptable for everyone.
 

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bagodix said:
They don't fight in wars. They may incidentally end up fighting in places like Iraq/Afghanistan, but it's not like they're running around sabotaging military bases with SAS or Delta. Having female soldiers in MW2 multiplayer wouldn't fit the setting. As Run DMC once sang, it's like that and that's the way it is.
When you consider this is a setting where the US military uses a laundry list of tacticool guns, Strykers are deployed as if they're Bradleys, Russian soldiers use FALs and Israeli Tavors [and ridiculously rare WA2000s] and Russia accidentally launches nukes at America on a semi-regular basis, how is having a few women on the frontline going to be the one thing that breaks the sense of reality?
 

Evil Tim

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bagodix said:
It just doesn't fit.
Why is seeing a female character less of a fit than an armed force using an $80,000 foreign rifle shooting a round they don't manufacture with a production run totalling 176? The game isn't at all realistic and is set far enough in the future that 'well, the rules changed' is very much a plausible argument for female involvement in military actions, particularly when some militaries have female frontline troops right now.
 

Evil Tim

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bagodix said:
That's a relatively minor thing, it's not at all comparable to suddenly having women as frontline troops (or in special forces).
Why isn't it? You have a rifle no military could afford to issue or get hold of sufficient numbers of. It's not just implausible, it's impossible for a large number of soldiers to be equipped with WA2000 rifles, and it's in there simply because the WA2000 is an interesting weapon to look at.

Your argument is a joke; nobody at IW let the realism of the setting get in the way when it came to weaponry, so why should the gender of characters be any different? This is particularly so when part of the plot focuses on an invasion when soldiers who wouldn't normally be on the front lines most likely would find themselves in combat.
 

Yopaz

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A lot of games have this vulnerable female thing. It's the stereotype thus we need to use that in game. FPS games are directed at men as you said so there they don't care much about girls playing it. It has been improved a lot though. Females were the ones you're supposed to rescue, not the one supposed to help in any way. They were mindless puppets with hair that can't get out of trouble. Metroid however was one of the first games to introduce a female hero, but I guess that's not really big news as most my friends didn't believe me when I told them Samus was a girl anyway. RPGs have lots of girls in the games. The problem here is that they also got a lot of the stereotypes. A lot of the gaming industry is Japanese and they got a different way of look on equality than the western world and I guess that explains some of it. Another part of it is that programmers sometimes are the geeks you see when you go school. The ones who sweat in the palms at the sight of a girl and brings their pet to prom (No offense I'm exaggerating this to make a point). Someone who goes their lives feeling outside and have problems interacting with people may have problems knowing how they're supposed make games friendly for both genders when they believe in the stereotype. I might be wrong of course and just jump to conclusions.
I can assure you that there's no reason to react on the word "Alpha male" though. That is a reference to animals that have a male leader. The male leader is the leader because he's the strongest one and that's usually decided by fighting the current alpha male.

DannyBoy451 said:
NIHILHATE said:
DannyBoy451 said:
My pet hate is how women are depicted in fantasy RPGs: Dainty little things who can lift a sword and fight despite having the figure of a fashion model.
Hehe, you should see my sister. Ten years old and 4'6" and she knocked her dad out with a big fucking plank, just for shits and giggles.
Your dad must have rolled real low on the saving throw...
Edit: Probably. A plank should give her a weapon -3 penalty. So even if his sister rolled 20 he couldn't have have rolled more than 7. Well, maybe if his HP was low after a previous fight...