Global Warming-a figment of our imagination

[Danny Ocean]

May I just remind people of Global Cooling, Nukes destroying the earth in (i forgot the date) and the several billion meteors that were supposed to vaporize the earth. People doom makes up 87% of the news.

As do statistics without given sources.

People if I could just remind you that the earth experienced a mini Ice age (not human related) and is now coming back from it.

What's your point? It could still kill millions.

Scientists have sent satellites into space to measure how much the ACTUAL temperature changed, not even worth a cough at.

This is just wrong on so many levels. For a satellite to detect temperature on earth, it must have to use infra-red radiation, right? How is it going to do that when all the crap in the way is absorbing it?!
If anything, satellites may even see a temperature drop!
Even so, you only need a temperature change of about, what was it, 3 degrees? To kill everything. Not because the animals can't deal with it, but because the plants have a tendency to die. Everything relies on plants in the end.

Surface temperature has gone yes because of cars and movement and technology (blah blah blah) but not because it's affecting the earth.

This doesn't even make sense.

Imagine a room.

now imagine your in the room and one by one more people come into the room

The rooms overall temperature will not change ...

Yes it will.

The earths temperature was a whole lot hotter before the industrial revolution.

When before the industrial revolution? That's a whole load of time in which the Earth changed tremendously.

watch this video for facts against global warming
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Finally I'm just saying stop hyping up the news, the news emphasizes bad, that's what it does, it doesn't speak the truth for there is no truth, there's the view of the time.

*cough*

Listen to your textbooks if you want but just keep in mind this, textbooks once said the world was flat and you could survive a nuclear bomb if you hid under a desk

Find me a textbook that says the world was flat and that you could survive a nuke by hiding under a desk.

also to whoever said we're insects I couldn't say it better myself. We're nothing compared to the earth. Read the opening to the Jurasic Park book, and that is signally the greatest way to describe how much we affect the earth

Insects? Insects are the single most successful species on this planet! They are the single biggest cause of death for all other species, their numbers are the highest, and they destroy millions of acres of plant life every year.

Damn right we're like insects.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Insects? Insects are the single most successful species on this planet! They are the single biggest cause of death for all other species, their numbers are the highest, and they destroy millions of acres of plant life every year.

Damn right we're like insects.

*ahem* Bacteria rule this planet dear sir, not insects or humans. Though insects do rank second. Humans are expendable.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Insects? Insects are the single most successful species on this planet! They are the single biggest cause of death for all other species, their numbers are the highest, and they destroy millions of acres of plant life every year.

Damn right we're like insects.

*ahem* Bacteria rule this planet dear sir, not insects or humans. Though insects do rank second. Humans are expendable.

Eh, I wasn't counting them for the reason that it's just a given that they're the most successful, and for the reason that I don't consider them sentient enough to count. If I counted them, I'd need to count grass as well or something, and that'd just be silly.

 

[Gerazzi]

"With all of the hysteria, all of the fear, all of the phony science, could it be that man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people? It sure sounds like it." -James M.Inhofe

I don't know about you, but I've seen bigger temperature rises within short periods of time. Aside from the fact that Al Gore's an Inconvenient truth is a soft science nightmare, doesn't mean the Earth is heating up and are you willing to gamble that the cause isn't carbon emissions?

I personally couldn't care either way, it's freaking freezing in MI.
But for now, my luck is terrible, so I'll be riding my bike more often.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Eh, I wasn't counting them for the reason that it's just a given that they're the most successful, and for the reason that I don't consider them sentient enough to count. If I counted them, I'd need to count grass as well or something, and that'd just be silly.

Why would it? Does the earth share that distinction? Ofcourse not, life is life, our trivial opinion is irrelevant. We still both agree, I guess, that humans rank terribly low on importance for life in general on this planet. Isn't downplaying that arrogant monkey race called humanity fun?

 

[Zer_]

Ive come to the conclusion that global warming doesnt exist, its the natural cycle of earth ever since the cavemen created the fire and the wheel we were bound for the world to get hotter. BRING IT ON SUN, I DON'T NEED AN OZONE LAYER!

EDIT:let the flameing begin!(pun intended)

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20071210101633.pdf

/thread. No seriously. Read it. /thread.

 

[Agema]

The real problem is that we're trying to enact laws based on science that is obviously not settled yet. If it was settled, everyone here would agree.

Would they?

How many people believe in Biblical Creationism? This despite archaeology, evolution, biology, astrophysics, palaeontology, geology, etc. As long as people have sufficient ideological or financial investment in a certain belief, they'll ignore science all they like.

And let's face it, the financial interests in climate change denial are considerable, and they've put a lot of brainpower and money behind the arguments for denial. You can bury science with enough money and political power, and that's what has happened to a large extent. There's no point debating climate change on the internet. Firstly, almost everyone has made up their minds already. Secondly, people on either side can find thousands of authoritative-looking info sites to back them up, but have no knowledge of whether those sites are more PR nonsense than fact.

 

[Lord Azrael]

Seriously though climate change is a natural phenomenon, every 10,000 years or so we have an ice age, this has been extremely regular and we are now rather overdue. At this time (believe it or not) the polarity of the north and south poles swaps further complicating matters. We cannot reverse climate change. We may have contributed to it slightly (in a miniscule fashion) but even if every human being alive concentrated on maximising their ecomomy of living (I refuse to use terms such as 'carbon footprint' because it points to the user being full of uninformed tabloid shite) then it would still be akin to running against the earth's spin to try to slow it down!

Spin, spin, spin, 'global warming' & 'climate change' are brilliant political tools, used to incite fear and doom-mongering amongst the populace so that agendas that would otherwise be dismissed out of hand. I have copied some of this from a recent post that I made in a thread claiming that if we killed all the cows (to stop them farting) then climate change would be reduced by 18%! Hmmmmm. PETA agenda anyone?

The real reason for the development of alternative fuel sources is that the world's non-renewable fuels will one day deplete and we should be prepared, no other reasons, none of this hair-brained inflammatory [sic] pseudo science!

So perhaps we should be preparing for a future in the deep-freeze rather than wasting large amounts of our time trying to avert the inevitable?

 

[Zer_]

Seriously though climate change is a natural phenomenon, every 10,000 years or so we have an ice age, this has been extremely regular and we are now rather overdue. At this time (believe it or not) the polarity of the north and south poles swaps further complicating matters. We cannot reverse climate change. We may have contributed to it slightly (in a miniscule fashion) but even if every human being alive concentrated on maximising their ecomomy of living (I refuse to use terms such as 'carbon footprint' because it points to the user being full of uninformed tabloid shite) then it would still be akin to running against the earth's spin to try to slow it down!

Spin, spin, spin, 'global warming' & 'climate change' are brilliant political tools, used to incite fear and doom-mongering amongst the populace so that agendas that would otherwise be dismissed out of hand. I have copied some of this from a recent post that I made in a thread claiming that if we killed all the cows (to stop them farting) then climate change would be reduced by 18%! Hmmmmm. PETA agenda anyone?

The real reason for the development of alternative fuel sources is that the world's non-renewable fuels will one day deplete and we should be prepared, no other reasons, none of this hair-brained inflammatory [sic] pseudo science!

So perhaps we should be preparing for a future in the deep-freeze rather than wasting large amounts of our time trying to avert the inevitable?

Negative, sir. The government is not spreading fear to its populace, they are doing the opposite. And no I don't think what they are doing is right in any way. Read on.

*clears throat*

The Committee's 16-month investigation reveals a systematic White House effort to censor climate scientists by controlling their access to the press and editing testimony to Congress. The White House was particularly active in stifling discussions of the link between increased hurricane intensity and global warming. The White House also sought to minimize the significance and certainty of climate change by extensively editing government climate change reports. Other actions taken by the white House involved editing EPA legal opinions and op-eds on climate change

-United States House of Representatives, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, December 2007.

Read the whole thing here [http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20071210101633.pdf].

 

[Danny Ocean]

Eh, I wasn't counting them for the reason that it's just a given that they're the most successful, and for the reason that I don't consider them sentient enough to count. If I counted them, I'd need to count grass as well or something, and that'd just be silly.

Why would it? Does the earth share that distinction? Ofcourse not, life is life, our trivial opinion is irrelevant. We still both agree, I guess, that humans rank terribly low on importance for life in general on this planet. Isn't downplaying that arrogant monkey race called humanity fun?

Oh yes, very.

I mean it more in a statistical kind of way, if numbers were a bar chart including bacteria would make all the other ones too small to measure, if you catch my drift.

 

[Soxafloppin]

It could be just a way for the goverment to get money out of us.

 

[RRilef]

Uh, you're not very good at trolling?

Seriously, global warming's just a buzz word for a process that occurs anyway.
However, that process was relatively inactive for about 2000 years, allowing humanity to thrive like we have, now our technological "progress" has reactivated the process (noted for wiping out the Mayans a few times) and it should be noted that this process is unkind to stable and comfortable way of life most of us are accustomed to.

Enjoy your igloos!

Actually, this process has not been inactive for 2000 years. A period of global warming known as the medieval warming period occured, and just like today, the world heated up. Of course, there wasn't an increase in CO2 emissions, but ice cores show that in the past increased temperature is followed by increased CO2 after several hundred years.

But my opinion is, does it really matter, "Oh great there's no global warming lets go pollute the earth to our heart's content." We should be reducing carbon emissions even if it doesn't have a direct effect on us because we have no idea what they actually do.

 

[Lord Azrael]

Negative, sir. The government is not spreading fear to its populace, they are doing the opposite. And no I don't think what they are doing is right in any way. Read on.

Perhaps. The UK is very different from the US in this case, forcing through many money-making schemes under the 'climate change' banner.

http://think.mtv.com/044FDFFFF00E176D300170098F5B7/

I don't recall who OP'd this but it is fantastic, a documentary that 'dares' to challenge the established view. Once all the empirical evidence is weighed up and dissected we can make an informed decision. When results of experimentation conflict with established knowledge then established knowledge is incorrect. The world in general has, for some reason, formed the opinion that climate change IS man made AND that we CAN do something about it (for good or ill). This was probably due to the lack of hard facts back in the day and that this was the most logical conclusion. Those who matter (decision makers) have been so thoroughly blinkered that they will proceed along this 'climate change is bad and unnatural' path ramrod straight and undeviating, until empirical truth might be able to chip away at the giant block of ignorance that is biased and uninformed public opinion enough to bring a more balanced resolution to the issue.

*gasps* that was a long sentence!

 

[Cowabungaa]

Oh yes, very.

I mean it more in a statistical kind of way, if numbers were a bar chart including bacteria would make all the other ones too small to measure, if you catch my drift.

Aa, yes that's very understandable.

Perhaps. The UK is very different from the US in this case, forcing through many money-making schemes under the 'climate change' banner.

http://think.mtv.com/044FDFFFF00E176D300170098F5B7/

I don't recall who OP'd this but it is fantastic, a documentary that 'dares' to challenge the established view. Once all the empirical evidence is weighed up and dissected we can make an informed decision. When results of experimentation conflict with established knowledge then established knowledge is incorrect. The world in general has, for some reason, formed the opinion that climate change IS man made AND that we CAN do something about it (for good or ill). This was probably due to the lack of hard facts back in the day and that this was the most logical conclusion. Those who matter (decision makers) have been so thoroughly blinkered that they will proceed along this 'climate change is bad and unnatural' path ramrod straight and undeviating, until empirical truth might be able to chip away at the giant block of ignorance that is biased and uninformed public opinion enough to bring a more balanced resolution to the issue.

*gasps* that was a long sentence!

Well there is still significant evidence that human activity kind of super-charged the natural climate changing processes. Like the nitrous oxide in the engine called Earth, if you will. But that's one thing, the really dangerous thing is "AND that we CAN do something about it" as you say. While there is proof that we have (quite a large) hand in it, there isn't one that we could or should stop climate change. And while we're squabbeling and having our happy little (worthless) Earth Day's, Earth keeps on going untill WAM the consequences hit us in the face and we find our we're completely not equipped to live as we live now (as in, current standard) on a changed planet. It will probably a painfull lesson. That said, there is still nothing wrong with decreasing carbon emissions. If only to create a more liveable atmosphere, getting rid of all that smog and crap. It's just that we shouldn't live in the dream world that those feeble laws (o nooooo, a 4% cut in greenhouse gas emissions!) could ever put a halt on climate change.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

It could be just a way for the goverment to get money out of us.

You could just be an idiot... sorry, I can do better than that. It's been a long day/week/month.
The majority of the global warming effect thats going on is part of a cycle. Earth heats up, Earth cools down and each phase can last for hundreds of thousands of years. You can't doubt that burning fossil fuels has an effect, it's increasing the rate at which the ice caps melt which is pissing about with the convection currents in the sea which is why it's been ridiculously hot this week. But, without a human contribution, the effect would still happen, it would just take longer. It's virtually impossible to say how big an effect humans is having on this... effect in terms of how much we've changed the speed of this process... fuck I've forgetten my final point. Insomnia is bad. Perhaps a more worthwhile piece of advice is make sure you don't get it.

 

[Quotation Marx]

There's actually ways that we could try to rebalance the climate, WITHOUT cutting back on cars and jets and animal eating and culture/lifestyle. But then that places man where you've said he shouldn't be. It makes man the keeper of the planet, and, effectively, as a god. Controlling the seasons, with power to make them wonderful or make them horrible? Why should we try meddling? If our path leads to death, why not accept it? If enough of us die from that, your man made climate change will stop, but only then. Animals don't work out a balance, a balance works itself out due to natural factors. Wherever this path leads we may choose to walk it, and suffer the consequences. You may not appreciate it, but instead of trying to change people's minds why not research the matter, figure out what could be used to absorb the Carbon Dioxide in the air, or what gases could be used to cool down the effect so the ice caps don't melt? Don't twiddle your thumbs and complain they're polluting your air, do something about it, within legal limits, so as not to tarnish the cause, but there's plenty in that field.

"Remember, a real decision is measured by the fact that you've taken new action. If there's no action, you haven't truly decided." -Tony Robbins

 

[soaringbiscuit]

TEH AL GORZ SAID IT WAZ REALS SO IT HAZZA TO BE. No, just kidding, but not. The Title of this thread is wrong. Everyone knows for a fact that the Earth is getting hotter, so yes, "Global Warming" does exist. Your theory should be titled "Global Warming due to Humans does not exist"

 

[Ironic]

We all know that the Earth is slowly and steadily heating up. The only question is whether it is due to human influence or simply a natural cycle. There is evidence pointing to both, but it's hard/impossible to tell for sure until it's too late.

We all know that global warming is being hyped in the media and used as a political ploy to get more voters, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's some truth too it. Anyways, prepare for the worst and all surprises are positive.

Exactly. Any one with any basic knowledge of science has heard of the precautionary principle.
There may not be concrete proof, but it is better to assume that it is us, and try to prevent it, than find out it WAS us, too late, AKA "Id rather have one and not need it, than need it and not have it" to use a film quote.

Also, the sun's activity is at an all time low at the moment, we don't know why, and must conclude that if it increases back to the norm, we could be a little bit screwed.

Yet another practical application of pessimism. XD

 

[Ironic]

Also, even WITHOUT the climate change stick, it doesn't take a genius to see the monopoly that oil has on our energy. I'd rather have renewable sources powering the world, as they're not as finite (at least in any relevant way).