1337mokro said:
Father Time said:
1337mokro said:
Father Time said:
1337mokro said:
Windknight said:
1337mokro said:
Seriously? Your games have treated women like sex puppets sitting on beds waiting for men to bonk em.
Please don't tell me that suddenly you're all up for feminism. Because that's the wrong way to go. Long as you don't sexualize the violence against women, which until now you haven't done (you have used women for nothing but sex), it's all right.
I looked up the 'door stopper' sequences mentioned in the main article, and an old critical miss. The gameplay leading up to it involves, apart from hacking and slashing your way through monsters, roughly pushing and pulling a topless woman around the level. (the gameplay seemed to give several closeups of her chest so the guys could totally ogle her naked tits if they wished to) So, yeah, she was pretty much sexualised as a weak, frightened and naked woman being manhandled by a powerful, burly guy, and is 'used' in a clearly fatal manner.
I forgot about that scene, to be honest I forgot about most of what happened in 3. I stand corrected. Stop sexualizing the women you brutalize dear developers.
To be honest though GoW is basically the least mature game I can imagine so them drawing the line after 3 games of misogyny is kinda weird. You'd think they'd go the Saints Row way of more insane to pander to their demographic.
Well enjoy women used purely for sex then, guess they aren't far enough in their mental development to step away from that.
So where is the misogyny in those games? Kratos uses people and their bodies as props all the time in those games, and if they hated women they would treat all women in those games with contempt and yet they don't.
You really shouldn't throw around that accusation so quickly.
Except when women exist in those games as nothing but sex objects or doorstops. The men are at least formidable enemies. Anything femaleish that fights you is sort of not exactly a human woman or is dispatched rather easily example in case Hera, whose fight consists of a maze and snapping her neck.
I know you like the game and that's why you defend anyone who says anything bad about it. But guess what. Liking something that has flaws and bad sides doesn't matter.
I like the games to, doesn't stop me from seeing that it's treatment of women is less noble than that of men. Painting every single woman in the game as either a health container, an achievement, an object of lust or patheticly weak.
Because Kratos never uses men as objects to solve puzzles. Oh wait Jason called and said that's wrong.
And you're leaving out Athena, Gaia, Pandora (she's a child and needed to be rescued but she can dodge enemies) and the sisters of fate. Edit: Oh and Hades' wife, who's name escapes me (she was the final boss in one game).
I'm not just defending the games because I like them, I'm defending them because you're full of shit.
Oh and I can play that game too.
See you're just trying desperately to find misogyny in everything around you so that you can pretend you're more enlightened than the people who made them but that doesn't matter.
Yeah I consider the sisters of fate as much female as I consider the Gorgons female, Gaia falls in the same category. They are mythical creatures. By that stretch the zombie corpses you fight in one of the games could have been females. Equal representation? Not really.
Athena gets stabbed, I don't think you ever actually face off, Pandora never actually played any other role than a mcguffin. Persephone is the one female Boss out there and of course like I already said non-human creatures don't count. So 1 female boss in 4 games.
And now you're just making rules up as you go along. Gods don't count? Well that means Kratos doesn't count as human for parts of 1 and 2 and for all of Ghost of Sparta. It also means you never fight a man until the second game.
Athena, Gaia, Persephone, Pandora and the Sisters of Fate all act and look human even though they aren't (with the exception of one of the sisters). So they may as well be counted as females for our purposes. And your whole complaint that you never face Athena is a case of moving the goalposts.
And Pandora is not just a mcguffin. She talks to Kratos and basically foreshadows the theme of the game if not spelling it out.
1337mokro said:
Tell me what happened with Aphrodite? The goddess that loved Mars, you know the dude you killed?
Mars is not Ares. Also in this version she's wedded to Hephestus (who she doesn't like).
1337mokro said:
Oh yeah she was a sex minigame in GoW3. I don't see how that means women are used as nothing more than sex objects most of the time.
You were just saying that goddesses don't count. You do not get to change the rules whenever it suits you.
1337mokro said:
Not to mention 90% of all women portrayed wear skimpy to almost no clothing at all.
Which is totally unlike Kratos. Anyway I've heard it was the style of ancient Greece, or at least Greek statues.
1337mokro said:
Even so there are no actual female characters in there that don't act as doorstops, mcguffins or sex objects.
Since you said female, I get to bring up Athena, Gaia, etc. again. Yeah they're not human but that's really arbitrary in a game series that focuses on gods and titans so much.
1337mokro said:
See you think that pointing out that a game in fact does have 1 female boss
Sisters of Fate count as female, so does Medusa and her sisters technically. If you only want hum n bosses though then the only man bosses you ever have are Hercules (if he counts), those couple Greek Heroes from God of War 2 (plus that 2D fight with the soldier) and I assume Deimos in Ghost of Sparta (I haven't finished that game yet).
1337mokro said:
means that it somehow negates the fact that the game dresses women with as little clothing as possible whenever it can and has you bonk or mutilate them on other occasions.
Bonking women is not misogyny and you mutilate tons of men in the game, far far more men than women (even going by the no gods rule).