Leonard knows Teddy isn't the guy he was looking for, but frames him anyway, because he knows that he'll forget that he framed him, so he kills an innocent guy so he can feel that he avenged his wife.
Wolf creek -One big advertising campain for Australia *Wink*-
One of those horror movies that have a great feeling to the movie emersion is an over used word that springs to mind.
The movies which sprung to mind first where 1984 and Brazil. Both great movies, and i'm pretty sure the bad guys win in both. I might go watch Brazil if I can find my DVD.
I'd consider rewatching the film more closely, Leonard knows Teddy isn't the guy he was looking for, but frames him anyway, because he knows that he'll forget that he framed him, so he kills an innocent guy so he can feel that he avenged his wife.
I know that Leonard plans it all out and manipulates himself into doing it, but he does it to avenge himself after being lied to and killing others and unless I'm mistaken, he takes a photo of Teddy's death to convince himself that he has avenged his wife, whilst he forgets everything else. He's not an especially bad guy, he's a product of Teddy's manipulation.
Technically lucky number S7EVIN is one and that movie with halle berry and bruce willis technically thats one and They live, the first part of back to the future part 2
Falling Down, pending on who you rooted for.
Perfume: The Story of a Murderer, The villain accomplishes his goal, but isn't happy with the results. One could count it as a win for the villain.
Oldboy- The ending implies, even after hypnosis, that Dae-su Oh still remembers
I maintain that Arlington Road is in the top 10% of the movies suggested thus far.
It gets extra points for being an obvious case of the bad guy winning.
Wow, I've been thinking of this movie for days now. I mean aside from how funny it is, the theme of "who is the good guy?" runs through the whole movie.
At first, Captain Hammer seems an easy shoe-in for a good guy, but you discover, through both observation and the protaganist, that he is actually very selfish. Dr. Horrible calls him a "corporate tool", implying two things:
1- that Hammer is working directly for the banks, corps, and government (hammer may be too stupid to realize this however)
2- that Horrible may not understand his own reasons for what he does
All this to say that Dr. Horrible may think he is/should be evil, but that he actually is fighting the real scum: the rich living off the backs of the poor. Granted, it is equally possible that he is just as selfish as Hammer, though it does seem he has a lot more respect for Penny and what she does than Hammer does, which is very ironic, given their positions. However, as a previous poster said, it doesn't matter who the good guy is, Bad Horse wins in the end, though I would like to think that the end of the movie shows Dr. Horrible realizing his true nature.
Wow, I've been thinking of this movie for days now. I mean aside from how funny it is, the theme of "who is the good guy?" runs through the whole movie.
At first, Captain Hammer seems an easy shoe-in for a good guy, but you discover, through both observation and the protaganist, that he is actually very selfish. Dr. Horrible calls him a "corporate tool", implying two things:
1- that Hammer is working directly for the banks, corps, and government (hammer may be too stupid to realize this however)
2- that Horrible may not understand his own reasons for what he does
All this to say that Dr. Horrible may think he is/should be evil, but that he actually is fighting the real scum: the rich living off the backs of the poor. Granted, it is equally possible that he is just as selfish as Hammer, though it does seem he has a lot more respect for Penny and what she does than Hammer does, which is very ironic, given their positions. However, as a previous poster said, it doesn't matter who the good guy is, Bad Horse wins in the end, though I would like to think that the end of the movie shows Dr. Horrible realizing his true nature.
The split personality theory. It's never confirmed, but a lot of scenes hint towards it.
Billy and Dr Horrible use separate phones. Billy would never ignore Penny or skip the a laundry date. Dr Horrible however, does. He acts different when in and out of costume as well.
But it's true... the only real winner is Bad Horse.
I really wonder where the sequel is going to take us. It might actually answer some of these questions. Yet at the same time, the fact you're left with so many questions about the characters is what I found to be one of the stronger point of the thing.
Cause, you know, it's pretty damn fucking subjective.
I can't think of anyone really considering Watchmen to be a movie where the bad guys win. Seriously?
While I haven't seen the movie itself, I've read the comic book plenty of times... And to my knowledge, the movie follows the story pretty closely, minus the kick-ass pirate comic book within comic book and the whole fake psycho-octopus alien. But with that out of the way, how the hell can you say that "bad guys won"? They averted a massive war and managed to unite the world together, somehow. That's good, right? Rorschach was just a pathetic brainless zealot who did nothing but cause more trouble in most cases. The ends do justify the means in many cases.
Very often it's a very gray territory, and words like "good" and "bad" are rather meaningless. With my political views, in a hypothetical movie where an anarchist claims victory over fascists, of course, I'll be rooting for the anarchists. But that's not the only option. Some might support the fascists, and there's nothing wrong with that either. There's no good and no bad, objectively, is what I'm saying.
But there are people who might want you to share their view point, so they'll stick to divine claims that something is always good or always evil.
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