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Samtemdo8 said:
On topic.

Screw this movie, I hate Guardians of the Galaxy and I certainly will not enjoy its even more stupider sequal. The sight of it makes me sick for how painfully corny it is.
So...you are repeatedly posting in this thread to....To rain on the parade of those who are looking forward to enjoy it? To damn it...in order to ruin others' interest and/or enthusiasm?

You aren't obliged to post in threads but doing so solely to condemn the subject matter veers on trolling, which isn't courteous.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
He blows up the Capitol just to fuck with Superman while leaving himself open to be found out?
And to eliminate Senator Finch, who didn't let him do whatever he wanted.

There's no reason krytonite should even be illegal and I doubt Lex cares about paying some extra smuggling money to get something in.
Other than the stated fact that Kryptonite was radioactive, making it similar to shipping uranium or plutonium across country borders.
Killing her is easier than just saying I won't donate to your campaign anymore?

It wouldn't be that hard to ship krytonite safely, plus krytonite is new/unknown and really shouldn't be illegal. Somehow krytonite is illegal and not in the country yet they are doing experiments on Zod's body with krytonite in the US?

Why can't everyone just admit the plot is nonsensical? BvS is objectively a logical mess.
 

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Right, moving on.

So the trailer here has used The Sweet's "Fox on the Run". Does anyone wanna take some guesses at what might have been on 'Awesome Mix Vol. 2'?

Just to remind everyone, Star Lord was taken from Earth in 1988, so adjust your guesses accordingly. I personally wouldn't mind some Queen: there's even good mileage to be gotten out of "Killer Queen" or "Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy".

That, and maybe Elton John, specifically, "Rocket Man".
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
On topic.

Screw this movie, I hate Guardians of the Galaxy and I certainly will not enjoy its even more stupider sequal. The sight of it makes me sick for how painfully corny it is.
So...you are repeatedly posting in this thread to....To rain on the parade of those who are looking forward to enjoy it? To damn it...in order to ruin others' interest and/or enthusiasm?

You aren't obliged to post in threads but doing so solely to condemn the subject matter veers on trolling, which isn't courteous.
I am merely offering my opinion and criticism of this movie judging from the trailer and the prior movie. But I admit that post came off as too, "disparaging?"

I find the movie to be childish,saccharine, and unbelieveably corny and definately not a good representation of what a Superhero movie should be.

We went from "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" to "dance in front of a villain to distract him set to 80s pop music"

This current era that we live where "stop taking everyting so seriously man its just Superheroes, Orcs Elves and Trolls, etc. just have fun with it" And this is overshadowing the kind of things I prefer.
 

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undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Basement Cat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
On topic.

Screw this movie, I hate Guardians of the Galaxy and I certainly will not enjoy its even more stupider sequal. The sight of it makes me sick for how painfully corny it is.
So...you are repeatedly posting in this thread to....To rain on the parade of those who are looking forward to enjoy it? To damn it...in order to ruin others' interest and/or enthusiasm?

You aren't obliged to post in threads but doing so solely to condemn the subject matter veers on trolling, which isn't courteous.
I am merely offering my opinion and criticism of this movie judging from the trailer and the prior movie. But I admit that post came off as too, "disparaging?"

I find the movie to be childish,saccharine, and unbelieveably corny and definately not a good representation of what a Superhero movie should be.

We went from "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" to "dance in front of a villain to distract him set to 80s pop music"

This current era that we live where "stop taking everyting so seriously man its just Superheroes, Orcs Elves and Trolls, etc. just have fun with it" And this is overshadowing the kind of things I prefer.
Oh no

ONE movie didn't fit your specific tastes. It's not like we didn't just get Civil War and a whole host of other movies.

But sure, go ahead and only enjoy movies where the hero sits around and moves for 2 hours because you think it makes you more adult. Just don't burst into threads and fill it full of you insolent childish whining because you aren't mature enough to recognize the value of levity and optimism.
Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.

I mean I am gonna show you an example in the Gnomes of Warcraft, they are portrayed as the funny, comedic race, but they have endured Hardships, they lost their City of Gnomregan because of the obscenely ambitious arrogance of one Gnome. And they are forced to live with thier Dwarven cousins.
 

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undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Basement Cat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
On topic.

Screw this movie, I hate Guardians of the Galaxy and I certainly will not enjoy its even more stupider sequal. The sight of it makes me sick for how painfully corny it is.
So...you are repeatedly posting in this thread to....To rain on the parade of those who are looking forward to enjoy it? To damn it...in order to ruin others' interest and/or enthusiasm?

You aren't obliged to post in threads but doing so solely to condemn the subject matter veers on trolling, which isn't courteous.
I am merely offering my opinion and criticism of this movie judging from the trailer and the prior movie. But I admit that post came off as too, "disparaging?"

I find the movie to be childish,saccharine, and unbelieveably corny and definately not a good representation of what a Superhero movie should be.

We went from "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" to "dance in front of a villain to distract him set to 80s pop music"

This current era that we live where "stop taking everyting so seriously man its just Superheroes, Orcs Elves and Trolls, etc. just have fun with it" And this is overshadowing the kind of things I prefer.
Oh no

ONE movie didn't fit your specific tastes. It's not like we didn't just get Civil War and a whole host of other movies.

But sure, go ahead and only enjoy movies where the hero sits around and moves for 2 hours because you think it makes you more adult. Just don't burst into threads and fill it full of you insolent childish whining because you aren't mature enough to recognize the value of levity and optimism.
Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.

I mean I am gonna show you an example in the Gnomes of Warcraft, they are portrayed as the funny, comedic race, but they have endured Hardships, they lost their City of Gnomregan because of the obscenely ambitious arrogance of one Gnome. And they are forced to live with thier Dwarven cousins.
Okay so you just didn't watch guardians of the galaxy then. Gotcha
I did, in the theater. And was unimpressed by the tragic aspects of the charcaters.
 

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undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Basement Cat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
On topic.

Screw this movie, I hate Guardians of the Galaxy and I certainly will not enjoy its even more stupider sequal. The sight of it makes me sick for how painfully corny it is.
So...you are repeatedly posting in this thread to....To rain on the parade of those who are looking forward to enjoy it? To damn it...in order to ruin others' interest and/or enthusiasm?

You aren't obliged to post in threads but doing so solely to condemn the subject matter veers on trolling, which isn't courteous.
I am merely offering my opinion and criticism of this movie judging from the trailer and the prior movie. But I admit that post came off as too, "disparaging?"

I find the movie to be childish,saccharine, and unbelieveably corny and definately not a good representation of what a Superhero movie should be.

We went from "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" to "dance in front of a villain to distract him set to 80s pop music"

This current era that we live where "stop taking everyting so seriously man its just Superheroes, Orcs Elves and Trolls, etc. just have fun with it" And this is overshadowing the kind of things I prefer.
Oh no

ONE movie didn't fit your specific tastes. It's not like we didn't just get Civil War and a whole host of other movies.

But sure, go ahead and only enjoy movies where the hero sits around and moves for 2 hours because you think it makes you more adult. Just don't burst into threads and fill it full of you insolent childish whining because you aren't mature enough to recognize the value of levity and optimism.
Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.

I mean I am gonna show you an example in the Gnomes of Warcraft, they are portrayed as the funny, comedic race, but they have endured Hardships, they lost their City of Gnomregan because of the obscenely ambitious arrogance of one Gnome. And they are forced to live with thier Dwarven cousins.
Okay so you just didn't watch guardians of the galaxy then. Gotcha
I did, in the theater. And was unimpressed by the tragic aspects of the charcaters.
But they were there. So you cant say the movie didnt have them.

Just like youre criticizing others for focusing too much on BvSs negative qualities to enjoy it, you're focusing to much on guardians of the galaxys negative qualities to enjoy it.

You want it your way and only your way.
But I still can criticize it for how uninspired it is.

Star Lord's Mom has Cancer, that is just easy. That is like the most grade school level writing to gt your symphaties.

And Groot, oh my goodness Groot the Plagiarizer:


 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
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Bob_McMillan said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
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Hawki said:
So, basically as trite and cliche as the first one? :(
Its also the most blatently "Disney-ish" of all the Marvel movies.

The comic books themselves are probably nothing like the movies.
The Guardians of the Galaxy count a raccoon and a walking, "talking" tree among their members. If the comics aren't like the movies, and took that shit seriously, then they must be hot garbage.
Implying you can't take Tree People:


And talking animals:


Seriously
One, a talking raccoon does not equate to a fucking talking lion, especially when he is voiced by Liam Neeson and is that world's version of God.

Two, I think we both know what I meant by serious.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/567ef66439f22bfd05d850ecc1927a90
1. There is also talking Beavers in the movie, and in the sequals talking Rats/Ferrets.


2. No that is badass/awseome.

This is serious:

There is nothing badass or awesome about Snyderman.
Yes he is:

That fight was awful. Also they should've given Wonder Woman the kryptonite spear, because that's what any intelligent person would do.
Than she would have been stabbed by Doomsday.
No she wouldn't have. Superman gives her spear, Superman distracts Doomsday, she pokes him with spear and shoves it deep in him, they get away and Doomsday dies. End movie.

The film is a textbook example of poor writing, directing, and editing.
Have you forgotten that in the movie Wonder Woman had to hold down Doomsday with her Magic Lasso Rope? Leaving Doomsday binded for Superman to do the Killing Stab?
Because Superman is incapable of distracting him for 30 seconds for her to stab him? That makes no sense.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Basement Cat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
On topic.

Screw this movie, I hate Guardians of the Galaxy and I certainly will not enjoy its even more stupider sequal. The sight of it makes me sick for how painfully corny it is.
So...you are repeatedly posting in this thread to....To rain on the parade of those who are looking forward to enjoy it? To damn it...in order to ruin others' interest and/or enthusiasm?

You aren't obliged to post in threads but doing so solely to condemn the subject matter veers on trolling, which isn't courteous.
I am merely offering my opinion and criticism of this movie judging from the trailer and the prior movie. But I admit that post came off as too, "disparaging?"

I find the movie to be childish,saccharine, and unbelieveably corny and definately not a good representation of what a Superhero movie should be.

We went from "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" to "dance in front of a villain to distract him set to 80s pop music"

This current era that we live where "stop taking everyting so seriously man its just Superheroes, Orcs Elves and Trolls, etc. just have fun with it" And this is overshadowing the kind of things I prefer.
Oh no

ONE movie didn't fit your specific tastes. It's not like we didn't just get Civil War and a whole host of other movies.

But sure, go ahead and only enjoy movies where the hero sits around and moves for 2 hours because you think it makes you more adult. Just don't burst into threads and fill it full of you insolent childish whining because you aren't mature enough to recognize the value of levity and optimism.
Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.

I mean I am gonna show you an example in the Gnomes of Warcraft, they are portrayed as the funny, comedic race, but they have endured Hardships, they lost their City of Gnomregan because of the obscenely ambitious arrogance of one Gnome. And they are forced to live with thier Dwarven cousins.
Okay so you just didn't watch guardians of the galaxy then. Gotcha
I did, in the theater. And was unimpressed by the tragic aspects of the charcaters.
But they were there. So you cant say the movie didnt have them.

Just like youre criticizing others for focusing too much on BvSs negative qualities to enjoy it, you're focusing to much on guardians of the galaxys negative qualities to enjoy it.

You want it your way and only your way.
But I still can criticize it for how uninspired it is.

Star Lord's Mom has Cancer, that is just easy. That is like the most grade school level writing to gt your symphaties.

And Groot, oh my goodness Groot the Plagiarizer:


...and BvS isn't grade school level writing?
 

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With what has happened already and what is known, why would you stop Lex bringing in Krytonite when it's very conceivable humans might indeed need it for actual defense purposes and Lex isn't suspected of anything nefarious yet?
Biggest plothole in the entire movie is the fact that literally everyone seems to know that Kryptonite has negative effects against Superman yet I don't actually remember any point in either the original Man Of Steel or B vs S where any normal human besides Louis has a chance to learn this fact. Yet Batman vs Superman is using this as an established fact, literally EVERYONE knows about it, did Superman go around yelling i,t did Louis report it to the masses.

I find the movie to be childish,saccharine, and unbelieveably corny and definately not a good representation of what a Superhero movie should be.
You do know that they are NOT technically Superheroes? They are part of the MCU which by extension automatically makes them Superheros? Yet none of them have the so called 'great power' you describe, within the confines of their own Universe they are all pretty normal in their abilities (well maybe not Groot as he's shown to be a bit of a mystery but fuck knows their may be an entire planet of Groots out there). The final Sequence required them to team up together and even then they still required the assistance of a military force and a group of Space Pirates to stand a chance against the bad guy.

Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.
The same movie that starts with the kid having to deal with his Mum dying of cancer. The same movie that has two characters who have lost their entire families to the various bad guys. Not really sure how much better a movie gets by having the characters spend half the screen time mopping around coming to terms with their lose.

That, and maybe Elton John, specifically, "Rocket Man".
Hmmm seems a bit too on the nose for a guy who flies around in Spaceships. Would love to see 'You Spin Me Right Round Baby' worked in somehow.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.
No tragedy or hardships? Starlord's mother dies in front of him, and his last memory of her is refusing to hold her hand (and the guilt that would fester in his heart), before he is abducted by aliens, and basically forced to survive with a group of mercenaries who threatened to eat him every day apparently. According to the guy who raised him, and even if they weren't really going to eat him, using that threat of life on a child would fuck them up seriously. Starlord even comments about that later.

Rocket was a science experiment, repeatedly cut open, limbs severed, and then reattached over and over to perfect his state. He even loses his shit in the movie about how horrific that was for him. Gammora had to serve a person she hated, simply to try and get a chance to kill him, the guy who murdered her family, and, like Starlord, basically press ganged her into serving him against her will. Batista's family was murdered, and he swore his life to avenging them. And when he finally had the chance to get his revenge, he did it by basically betraying his companions, putting all of the galaxy at risk, just for his petty vengeance...a vengeance he didn't even get, because he got his ass kicked by the antagonist. I'm not really seeing how those things are examples of a lack of tragedy and hardships.

Samtemdo8 said:
I did, in the theater. And was unimpressed by the tragic aspects of the charcaters.
Ok you're contradicting yourself now. First, you said there was only Levity and Optimism, and then you say the tragedy and hardship wasn't impressive to you. It's one or the other. You don't think the tragic backstories for the characters were handled well? Fine, that's an opinion, and you can't really argue opinion, though people on this site sure do love to do so on a regular basis. But please don't say that they didn't have tragedy and hardships, because they did. My above post for examples of said tragedy and hardships.


Samtemdo8 said:
But I still can criticize it for how uninspired it is.

Star Lord's Mom has Cancer, that is just easy. That is like the most grade school level writing to gt your symphaties.
Sure, you can say you didn't find it all that inspiring, because that's an opinion. I personally got choked the fuck up at that scene, picturing myself in that situation, and that being my mother. It was one of the things I liked in the movie actually, that they were able to hit me with an effective emotional trigger early on.

As to it being grade school writing? Really? A comic book movie, and you are criticizing them for using a "His parents died when he was young" background? That's like, 99.9% of all hero motivations in comics, hell even outside of that. It's a pretty universal human experience. For most people, they will experience their parents die. It tends to effect people significantly, and can change the way their life progresses going forward.

Samtemdo8 said:
And Groot, oh my goodness Groot the Plagiarizer:


I fail to see what the problem is with the Heroic Sacrifice trope. Iron Giant was hardly the first one to do it, and I'm sure someone could flip your example on it's head, and say that Iron Giant plagarized someone from a previous story. And then someone could do that one with another, and another, and another. Heroic Sacrifice is a common trope in storytelling, has been for centuries, hell thousands of years. Using it isn't a sign of a bad story, it's just a tool. Are you saying it's plagarized simply because they were both voiced by the same actor? Seriously I don't get this criticism at all. Which is again, different from you not liking it.
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Basement Cat said:
Samtemdo8 said:
On topic.

Screw this movie, I hate Guardians of the Galaxy and I certainly will not enjoy its even more stupider sequal. The sight of it makes me sick for how painfully corny it is.
So...you are repeatedly posting in this thread to....To rain on the parade of those who are looking forward to enjoy it? To damn it...in order to ruin others' interest and/or enthusiasm?

You aren't obliged to post in threads but doing so solely to condemn the subject matter veers on trolling, which isn't courteous.
I am merely offering my opinion and criticism of this movie judging from the trailer and the prior movie. But I admit that post came off as too, "disparaging?"

I find the movie to be childish,saccharine, and unbelieveably corny and definately not a good representation of what a Superhero movie should be.

We went from "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" to "dance in front of a villain to distract him set to 80s pop music"

This current era that we live where "stop taking everyting so seriously man its just Superheroes, Orcs Elves and Trolls, etc. just have fun with it" And this is overshadowing the kind of things I prefer.
Oh no

ONE movie didn't fit your specific tastes. It's not like we didn't just get Civil War and a whole host of other movies.

But sure, go ahead and only enjoy movies where the hero sits around and moves for 2 hours because you think it makes you more adult. Just don't burst into threads and fill it full of you insolent childish whining because you aren't mature enough to recognize the value of levity and optimism.
Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.

I mean I am gonna show you an example in the Gnomes of Warcraft, they are portrayed as the funny, comedic race, but they have endured Hardships, they lost their City of Gnomregan because of the obscenely ambitious arrogance of one Gnome. And they are forced to live with thier Dwarven cousins.
Okay so you just didn't watch guardians of the galaxy then. Gotcha
I did, in the theater. And was unimpressed by the tragic aspects of the charcaters.
But they were there. So you cant say the movie didnt have them.

Just like youre criticizing others for focusing too much on BvSs negative qualities to enjoy it, you're focusing to much on guardians of the galaxys negative qualities to enjoy it.

You want it your way and only your way.
But I still can criticize it for how uninspired it is.

Star Lord's Mom has Cancer, that is just easy. That is like the most grade school level writing to gt your symphaties.

And Groot, oh my goodness Groot the Plagiarizer:


...and BvS isn't grade school level writing?
Never said it was, but it certainly is not the "Worse movie of all time that it dwarfs even Birdemic, The Room, Foodfight"
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Hawki said:
So, basically as trite and cliche as the first one? :(
Its also the most blatently "Disney-ish" of all the Marvel movies.

The comic books themselves are probably nothing like the movies.
The Guardians of the Galaxy count a raccoon and a walking, "talking" tree among their members. If the comics aren't like the movies, and took that shit seriously, then they must be hot garbage.
Implying you can't take Tree People:


And talking animals:


Seriously
One, a talking raccoon does not equate to a fucking talking lion, especially when he is voiced by Liam Neeson and is that world's version of God.

Two, I think we both know what I meant by serious.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/567ef66439f22bfd05d850ecc1927a90
1. There is also talking Beavers in the movie, and in the sequals talking Rats/Ferrets.


2. No that is badass/awseome.

This is serious:

There is nothing badass or awesome about Snyderman.
Yes he is:

That fight was awful. Also they should've given Wonder Woman the kryptonite spear, because that's what any intelligent person would do.
Than she would have been stabbed by Doomsday.
No she wouldn't have. Superman gives her spear, Superman distracts Doomsday, she pokes him with spear and shoves it deep in him, they get away and Doomsday dies. End movie.

The film is a textbook example of poor writing, directing, and editing.
Have you forgotten that in the movie Wonder Woman had to hold down Doomsday with her Magic Lasso Rope? Leaving Doomsday binded for Superman to do the Killing Stab?
Because Superman is incapable of distracting him for 30 seconds for her to stab him? That makes no sense.
So your point is that you think Superman should not have died?
 

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Happyninja42 said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Its not that I don't enjoy levity and optimism here or there, its that basically all there is is Levity and Optimism as if no one should experiance tragedy or hardships.
No tragedy or hardships? Starlord's mother dies in front of him, and his last memory of her is refusing to hold her hand (and the guilt that would fester in his heart), before he is abducted by aliens, and basically forced to survive with a group of mercenaries who threatened to eat him every day apparently. According to the guy who raised him, and even if they weren't really going to eat him, using that threat of life on a child would fuck them up seriously. Starlord even comments about that later.

Rocket was a science experiment, repeatedly cut open, limbs severed, and then reattached over and over to perfect his state. He even loses his shit in the movie about how horrific that was for him. Gammora had to serve a person she hated, simply to try and get a chance to kill him, the guy who murdered her family, and, like Starlord, basically press ganged her into serving him against her will. Batista's family was murdered, and he swore his life to avenging them. And when he finally had the chance to get his revenge, he did it by basically betraying his companions, putting all of the galaxy at risk, just for his petty vengeance...a vengeance he didn't even get, because he got his ass kicked by the antagonist. I'm not really seeing how those things are examples of a lack of tragedy and hardships.

Samtemdo8 said:
I did, in the theater. And was unimpressed by the tragic aspects of the charcaters.
Ok you're contradicting yourself now. First, you said there was only Levity and Optimism, and then you say the tragedy and hardship wasn't impressive to you. It's one or the other. You don't think the tragic backstories for the characters were handled well? Fine, that's an opinion, and you can't really argue opinion, though people on this site sure do love to do so on a regular basis. But please don't say that they didn't have tragedy and hardships, because they did. My above post for examples of said tragedy and hardships.


Samtemdo8 said:
But I still can criticize it for how uninspired it is.

Star Lord's Mom has Cancer, that is just easy. That is like the most grade school level writing to gt your symphaties.
Sure, you can say you didn't find it all that inspiring, because that's an opinion. I personally got choked the fuck up at that scene, picturing myself in that situation, and that being my mother. It was one of the things I liked in the movie actually, that they were able to hit me with an effective emotional trigger early on.

As to it being grade school writing? Really? A comic book movie, and you are criticizing them for using a "His parents died when he was young" background? That's like, 99.9% of all hero motivations in comics, hell even outside of that. It's a pretty universal human experience. For most people, they will experience their parents die. It tends to effect people significantly, and can change the way their life progresses going forward.

Samtemdo8 said:
And Groot, oh my goodness Groot the Plagiarizer:


I fail to see what the problem is with the Heroic Sacrifice trope. Iron Giant was hardly the first one to do it, and I'm sure someone could flip your example on it's head, and say that Iron Giant plagarized someone from a previous story. And then someone could do that one with another, and another, and another. Heroic Sacrifice is a common trope in storytelling, has been for centuries, hell thousands of years. Using it isn't a sign of a bad story, it's just a tool. Are you saying it's plagarized simply because they were both voiced by the same actor? Seriously I don't get this criticism at all. Which is again, different from you not liking it.
(On the cancer part)

But that's the point, because of how increadibly ubiquitous the background of "My loved one died of Cancer" its just an increadibly easy think for someone to think up on the spot.

I have seen that background many times before.
 

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(On the cancer part)

But that's the point, because of how increadibly ubiquitous the background of "My loved one died of Cancer" its just an increadibly easy think for someone to think up on the spot.

I have seen that background many times before.
Of course you have, it's a trope. They have 2 hours (roughly) to try and establish an emotional history for a character, while at the same time establishing an entire galaxy of crazy creatures and settings, and motivations. They have to use shorthand for that. Thus, you get tropes.
 

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Hawki said:
So, basically as trite and cliche as the first one? :(
Its also the most blatently "Disney-ish" of all the Marvel movies.

The comic books themselves are probably nothing like the movies.
The Guardians of the Galaxy count a raccoon and a walking, "talking" tree among their members. If the comics aren't like the movies, and took that shit seriously, then they must be hot garbage.
Implying you can't take Tree People:


And talking animals:


Seriously
One, a talking raccoon does not equate to a fucking talking lion, especially when he is voiced by Liam Neeson and is that world's version of God.

Two, I think we both know what I meant by serious.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/567ef66439f22bfd05d850ecc1927a90
1. There is also talking Beavers in the movie, and in the sequals talking Rats/Ferrets.


2. No that is badass/awseome.

This is serious:

There is nothing badass or awesome about Snyderman.
Yes he is:

That fight was awful. Also they should've given Wonder Woman the kryptonite spear, because that's what any intelligent person would do.
Than she would have been stabbed by Doomsday.
No she wouldn't have. Superman gives her spear, Superman distracts Doomsday, she pokes him with spear and shoves it deep in him, they get away and Doomsday dies. End movie.

The film is a textbook example of poor writing, directing, and editing.
Have you forgotten that in the movie Wonder Woman had to hold down Doomsday with her Magic Lasso Rope? Leaving Doomsday binded for Superman to do the Killing Stab?
Because Superman is incapable of distracting him for 30 seconds for her to stab him? That makes no sense.
So your point is that you think Superman should not have died?
Yes. Because it's something they should've waited to do. But they want to have 500 stories in their movies. It thematically makes no sense and everyone knows he's coming back to life so it holds no weight. It was absolutely pointless.
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
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Samtemdo8 said:
Bob_McMillan said:
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Samtemdo8 said:
Hawki said:
So, basically as trite and cliche as the first one? :(
Its also the most blatently "Disney-ish" of all the Marvel movies.

The comic books themselves are probably nothing like the movies.
The Guardians of the Galaxy count a raccoon and a walking, "talking" tree among their members. If the comics aren't like the movies, and took that shit seriously, then they must be hot garbage.
Implying you can't take Tree People:


And talking animals:


Seriously
One, a talking raccoon does not equate to a fucking talking lion, especially when he is voiced by Liam Neeson and is that world's version of God.

Two, I think we both know what I meant by serious.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/567ef66439f22bfd05d850ecc1927a90
1. There is also talking Beavers in the movie, and in the sequals talking Rats/Ferrets.


2. No that is badass/awseome.

This is serious:

There is nothing badass or awesome about Snyderman.
Yes he is:

That fight was awful. Also they should've given Wonder Woman the kryptonite spear, because that's what any intelligent person would do.
Than she would have been stabbed by Doomsday.
No she wouldn't have. Superman gives her spear, Superman distracts Doomsday, she pokes him with spear and shoves it deep in him, they get away and Doomsday dies. End movie.

The film is a textbook example of poor writing, directing, and editing.
Have you forgotten that in the movie Wonder Woman had to hold down Doomsday with her Magic Lasso Rope? Leaving Doomsday binded for Superman to do the Killing Stab?
Because Superman is incapable of distracting him for 30 seconds for her to stab him? That makes no sense.
So your point is that you think Superman should not have died?
Yes. Because it's something they should've waited to do. But they want to have 500 stories in their movies. It thematically makes no sense and everyone knows he's coming back to life so it holds no weight. It was absolutely pointless.

Even if they waited establishing Superman with more movies, they still would have brought him back, it still would have been pointless.

Because there is no stakes in Superhero movies, the good guys always win, unless they pull a Game of Thrones, or worse make a movie that resets/reboots the universe like how Comics do it.
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
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Samtemdo8 said:
Hawki said:
So, basically as trite and cliche as the first one? :(
Its also the most blatently "Disney-ish" of all the Marvel movies.

The comic books themselves are probably nothing like the movies.
The Guardians of the Galaxy count a raccoon and a walking, "talking" tree among their members. If the comics aren't like the movies, and took that shit seriously, then they must be hot garbage.
Implying you can't take Tree People:


And talking animals:


Seriously
One, a talking raccoon does not equate to a fucking talking lion, especially when he is voiced by Liam Neeson and is that world's version of God.

Two, I think we both know what I meant by serious.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/567ef66439f22bfd05d850ecc1927a90
1. There is also talking Beavers in the movie, and in the sequals talking Rats/Ferrets.


2. No that is badass/awseome.

This is serious:

There is nothing badass or awesome about Snyderman.
Yes he is:

That fight was awful. Also they should've given Wonder Woman the kryptonite spear, because that's what any intelligent person would do.
Than she would have been stabbed by Doomsday.
No she wouldn't have. Superman gives her spear, Superman distracts Doomsday, she pokes him with spear and shoves it deep in him, they get away and Doomsday dies. End movie.

The film is a textbook example of poor writing, directing, and editing.
Have you forgotten that in the movie Wonder Woman had to hold down Doomsday with her Magic Lasso Rope? Leaving Doomsday binded for Superman to do the Killing Stab?
Because Superman is incapable of distracting him for 30 seconds for her to stab him? That makes no sense.
So your point is that you think Superman should not have died?
Yes. Because it's something they should've waited to do. But they want to have 500 stories in their movies. It thematically makes no sense and everyone knows he's coming back to life so it holds no weight. It was absolutely pointless.

Even if they waited establishing Superman with more movies, they still would have brought him back, it still would have been pointless.

Because there is no stakes in Superhero movies, the good guys always win, unless they pull a Game of Thrones, or worse make a movie that resets/reboots the universe like how Comics do it.
But waiting to do it would've made sense, because as it stands we barely know this character so we have no feelings for him. I mean, I guess it's kind of hard to feel for a mopey moron who spends the whole film scowling.