Gun owners: What's your favorite, and why'd you get it?

[jdun]

I love my Glock 12. Lightweight, smooth kickback, good stopping power, and easy to conceal. A great weapon to have in a crime area like I live in.

There is no such thing as a GLock 12.

 

[jdun]

If I could only have 1 gun, it would have to be my Glock 21.

It's lightweight, compact, has few moving parts, easy to disassemble and clean, is damn near indestructible, has a high mag capacity, has a powerful round (.45 ACP), and it's what most police and military uses so there will never be any shortage of ammo or parts.

Glock 21 isn't compact. It is a full size pistol. What you want is the Glock 30 (which I own one). The Glock 30 is subcompact .45ACP handgun for conceal carry.

No gun is indestructible or even close to it.

Glock needs to make a better website.
http://www.glock.com/english/pistols_models.htm

 

[soapyshooter]

My favorite gun? I don't own it yet because the law prevents it, I'll be able to have it 3 years. Its a FN Five-seveN. Why will I get it? I've fired it a couple of times and it feels greats. Handles extremely well and its easy to use. It was supposed to be my first gun but in the form of a gift I got a Remington Model 870, not a big fan of it.

 

[jdun]

i prefer the way it is but i see where you're coming from. not a bad idea. my G17 is an older model without a hogue or finger grooves, and it wouldnt sit right in my belt line with a hogue on it. i'm also used to the more angled glock grip as opposed to the straighter XD, but you can always change the way you hold it. a valid arguement though, sir. i commend you.

I hate finger grooves. Stupid IMO. 2nd generation Glocks IMO are the best.

Hogue grip for pistol IMO are stupid. All it does is make it bigger and add weight.

Glock have one of the best angle grip for combat. The problem is most people don't know how to hold a handgun right. That's why they complain about Glock grip angle.

 

[jdun]

When I turn 21 I'll be getting a MK23.
When I save up enough money I'll be getting a Thompson, and a PS90.

Spoiler: MK23

Spoiler: Thompson

Spoiler: PS90

You do not want to get a HK MK23. It too heavy and too big (same size as the Desert Eagle). They are not use by any military. HK stop producing them. They are retail at $2300 each IIRC. People get the Mk23 the same reason as they do with the Desert Eagle, fun to shoot in a relax environment and small talks.

However if that is your dream handgun go get it by all means. Don't let anyone discourage you from buying it.

http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=26&g2_itemId=37326
http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=26&g2_itemId=37324

 

[jdun]

My favorite gun that I own is my WASR10. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASR_series_rifles
I love using it on paper targets and clay pigeons on the ground. Ammo has gotten expensive for it so now I only bring 60 rounds to the range at a time.

My dream gun is a Steyr AUG. I fired one and it was very cool. I also like the AR15 series guns like your brothers Panther. They are fun to shoot, but a pain to clean I've heard, and break more often then AK series. I prefer simplicity and reliability like my WASR10.

I didn't know you could purchase automatic weapons. Were do you get them or are you in the army or something

The WASR and AUG clone are semi-auto.

You can buy full auto rifles and pistols but you must fill up NFA forms. Auto weapons cost well over 10k.

 

[jdun]

My S&W Model 29 .44 Magnum. Ya feelin lucky, punk?

Spoiler

My dog is about to lose at indoor Call of Duty...

My God I'm so jealous right now

I wish I lived in the USA, just for the firearm laws haha, no semi auto rifles or handguns for us Brits

I would love me one of these:

Taurus Raging Bull in .44 Mag

But I will soon be the proud owner of a Beretta Over and Under shotgun... Now I just have to find one I can afford...

Come to the USA. A lot of brits that love firearms are migrating to the USA. You do not need to be a US citizen to be able to buy firearms. All you need to show is that you are legal to stay in the USA and a permanent resident.

Most brits that are in the process of getting their USA citizenship already own quite a number of firearms.

DK-Prof is one of the well known brits that migrated to the USA and is in the process of getting his US citizenship. He own and built a number of AR15. He is one of the moderators on Arfcom. You might want to talk to him if you ever decide to come to the USA.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=485516
Need to be a member to see his profile.
http://www.ar15.com/member/member.html?id=1715

BTW Taurus does not make good firearms. Bad QC.

 

[jdun]

While I've fired handguns before, I don't currently own one, though I would like to (need to save up). When I have the chance, I would like to get this particular number in .40S&W:

Spoiler: Taurus 24/7

Why .40S&W? For me, that's a good balance between the .45 round's stopping power and the 9mm round's lower recoil and greater ammunition load potential. The 24/7's magazine can hold 15 .40S&W rounds, which isn't bad at all. I've been reading up on this weapon and it's gotten a lot of good talk about its reliability and ease of use.

In the medium-range future I would love to go into competitive shooting, but I'm already 33 years old, and while my reflexes and eyesight are as sharp as ever, my body is, as described in medical terminology, "falling apart".

Taurus does not make good firearms. Lots of troubles with them. Do your own research before making a decision on any firearms because they are high price items.

The Glock 22 is the standard of which all .40S&W are compare too. It is the most use handgun by police officers in the USA.

If you want a competitive handgun, go with 1911 or Glocks. Those two dominate the competitive scene. You are never too old to complete. Some of the best shooters in the world are well over 40 years old.

Here is a list of handguns and gears that are use in the IDPA championship.

2008 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey
http://www.idpa.com/tj.asp?ID=215

 

[jdun]

I may end up getting a P90 just to have, even if I think it's a crap gun by a crap company. I'm an HK fan boy. =p

What makes the P90 a crap gun and why is FNH a crap company? The P90 is primarily used for counter terrorism/VIP protection by 31 countries world wide including Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, U.K, and the US. FNH is responsible for the Browning High Power, the first pistol to use the short recoil action on a link-less barrel, which nearly all modern handguns are based off of (including the USP). Today FNH manufactures 70% of the small arms used by the US military, from M4s to M2s, and also owns both WInchester and Browning. Recently the FNH SCAR-L out performed the HK 416 in the SOF Combat Assault Rifle trails and has already started replacing M4s in SOF. Unlike HK, FNH doesn't hate civilians. In addition to the PS90 and FS2000, they released the civilian friendly SCAR 16S. HK has no intention of releasing a civilian version of the XM8, G36, or MP7. HK is going to release the civilian version of the 416 (a gas piston AR-15 w/ an HK sticker on it) but they have designed it to be incompatible with standard AR-15 lowers.... so the only way to use it is to buy the entire $3500 rifle. I also forgot to mention the fact the FNP series of handguns are on par with USPs in every aspect, FOR HALF THE FUCKING PRICE.

You may love HK, but HK thinks you suck and hates you

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

FN is a great company. They are a major producer of small arms to many militaries and law enforcement around the world.

The problem with the P90 (civilian model PS90) and FN 5-7 pistol is the caliber they use. The running joke is that it takes the entire magazine (P90 all 50 rounds. Keep in mind it is a joke and it does not take 50 rounds to kill a bad guy) to stop a bad guy. The 5.7x28mm is not a caliber to trust with your life.

The only active government organization that use P90 is the Secret Service.

DocGKR has a Ph.d in ballistic and he doesn't recommend 5.7x28mm to law enforcement and military.
http://www.google.com/search?q=DocGKR+5.7&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

I don't like bullpup. Those firearms sacrifice a lot for one advantage (compactness). You do everything slower with bullpup. All special operators use conventional rifle design instead of bullpup even in countries that use bullpup as their standard.

 

[jdun]

I like my .17 caliber Savage rifle. I won it in a raffle. $500 gun w/scope for $5 worth of tickets! W00T!

How would you say that a .17 compares to a .22?

I've looked at quite a few .17's lately, and I'm wondering of I get one, or stick with one of the .22 I have, when it comes to hunting or target shooting.

.22 is a bigger bullet, but if you look at some of the bullets for a .17, I think they have more gunpowder. It's up to you, really.

For reference.
.17 caliber means the diameter is .17 inch or 4.318mm
.22 caliber means the diameter is .22 inch or 5.588mm
.30 caliber means the diameter is .30 inch or 7.62mm
.50 caliber means the diameter is .50 inch or 12.7mm

The diameter for a US quarter is 0.955 inch or .95 caliber or 24.26mm.

 

[Aur0ra145]

The best guns I've bought (I've got lots) had to be my Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1, it's actually a lend-lease rifle, the receiver is stamped accordingly. The other is my newly purchased FNP-9, I just love that pistol, light, accurate and super fun to shoot. I plan on buying an AK-47 next week, so I'll let you know how that goes.

 

[jdun]

You all knew that I would eventually find my way here, right?

I have a top 5 since I can't choose, and I only have photos of two, so this will be easy.

1. My Ruger 10/22. It was my first rifle EVER and I loves it SOOOOOOOOOOOO much!

2. My AR-15. I've been working on it for a good many years, and it is accuratem reliable, and a TON of fun to shoot!

3. My M1 Garand. I just got it, and it is the whole reason I began collecting firearms - I wanted an M1 for as long as I can remember. Sadly, I don't have a photo of it yet.

4. My Five-Seven. It kicks ass!

5. My Mosin Nagant 91/30. It's a piece of junk, has no blueing, bleeds laquer in direct sunlight, and rattles when I carry it, but it is loud, kicks like a mule, and hits exactly where I point it. It was also my first high-powered rifle!

Honorable mention: My Swiss K-31. It is quite possibly one of GREATEST bolt-action rifle designs EVER made and it is accurate as hell!

EDIT: Oh, and I bought them all because I am somewhat of a collector and a self-declared historian. Once upon a time, I decided I wanted to collect rifles from both WWI and WWII, and I kinda got carried away.

You need to either replace the optic or move it forward. As it stands the optic placement is not ideal. Your nose should be right behind the charging handle.

Proper way to mount a Telescopic scope.
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/AR2005.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/1zmp75s.jpg
http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv329/conan56/bdarty022.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7940/dsc05032o.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/Gun%20collection/ar545/IMG_2357.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9335/12826003.jpg

Proper way to mount a RDS:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4719482962_73bb05efd5_b.jpg
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/BCM115.jpg
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae253/JFLOINDUSTRIES/RANGE%20PICS/f694e965-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/004-4.jpg?t=1276295200
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/TNVZ125439.jpg

Nose behind charging handle. Like these guys.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/4056259324_c42e2ce1c5.jpg
http://www.aacblog.com/wp-content/uploads/magpull_class2.jpg
http://www.crw-airsoft.com/ekmps/shops/crwuk/resources/image//ChrisCosta.jpg
http://www.ttellc.net/images/pws0s.jpg
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/jaf0206/DSC00061.jpg

 

[Gh0st1y_H]

I'm no gun expert, but when I'm 21, I'm going to look into firearms.

I'm going to look for either a MK23 MOD 0, or an M1911. I'd really like the MK23, but frankly, I have the feeling it'll be too bulky for my hands. An M1911 would be my second choice.

Honestly, I doubt I'd go past buying more than one firearm.

 

[Aur0ra145]

You all knew that I would eventually find my way here, right?

I have a top 5 since I can't choose, and I only have photos of two, so this will be easy.

1. My Ruger 10/22. It was my first rifle EVER and I loves it SOOOOOOOOOOOO much!

2. My AR-15. I've been working on it for a good many years, and it is accuratem reliable, and a TON of fun to shoot!

3. My M1 Garand. I just got it, and it is the whole reason I began collecting firearms - I wanted an M1 for as long as I can remember. Sadly, I don't have a photo of it yet.

4. My Five-Seven. It kicks ass!

5. My Mosin Nagant 91/30. It's a piece of junk, has no blueing, bleeds laquer in direct sunlight, and rattles when I carry it, but it is loud, kicks like a mule, and hits exactly where I point it. It was also my first high-powered rifle!

Honorable mention: My Swiss K-31. It is quite possibly one of GREATEST bolt-action rifle designs EVER made and it is accurate as hell!

EDIT: Oh, and I bought them all because I am somewhat of a collector and a self-declared historian. Once upon a time, I decided I wanted to collect rifles from both WWI and WWII, and I kinda got carried away.

You need to either replace the optic or move it forward. As it stands the optic placement is not ideal. Your nose should be right behind the charging handle.

Proper way to mount a Telescopic scope.
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/AR2005.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/1zmp75s.jpg
http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv329/conan56/bdarty022.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7940/dsc05032o.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/Gun%20collection/ar545/IMG_2357.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9335/12826003.jpg

Proper way to mount a RDS:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4719482962_73bb05efd5_b.jpg
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/BCM115.jpg
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae253/JFLOINDUSTRIES/RANGE%20PICS/f694e965-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/004-4.jpg?t=1276295200
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/TNVZ125439.jpg

Nose behind charging handle. Like these guys.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/4056259324_c42e2ce1c5.jpg
http://www.aacblog.com/wp-content/uploads/magpull_class2.jpg
http://www.crw-airsoft.com/ekmps/shops/crwuk/resources/image//ChrisCosta.jpg
http://www.ttellc.net/images/pws0s.jpg
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/jaf0206/DSC00061.jpg

Dude, if it works for him, then who cares?

 

[jdun]

You all knew that I would eventually find my way here, right?

I have a top 5 since I can't choose, and I only have photos of two, so this will be easy.

1. My Ruger 10/22. It was my first rifle EVER and I loves it SOOOOOOOOOOOO much!

2. My AR-15. I've been working on it for a good many years, and it is accuratem reliable, and a TON of fun to shoot!

3. My M1 Garand. I just got it, and it is the whole reason I began collecting firearms - I wanted an M1 for as long as I can remember. Sadly, I don't have a photo of it yet.

4. My Five-Seven. It kicks ass!

5. My Mosin Nagant 91/30. It's a piece of junk, has no blueing, bleeds laquer in direct sunlight, and rattles when I carry it, but it is loud, kicks like a mule, and hits exactly where I point it. It was also my first high-powered rifle!

Honorable mention: My Swiss K-31. It is quite possibly one of GREATEST bolt-action rifle designs EVER made and it is accurate as hell!

EDIT: Oh, and I bought them all because I am somewhat of a collector and a self-declared historian. Once upon a time, I decided I wanted to collect rifles from both WWI and WWII, and I kinda got carried away.

You need to either replace the optic or move it forward. As it stands the optic placement is not ideal. Your nose should be right behind the charging handle.

Proper way to mount a Telescopic scope.
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/AR2005.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/1zmp75s.jpg
http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv329/conan56/bdarty022.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7940/dsc05032o.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/Gun%20collection/ar545/IMG_2357.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9335/12826003.jpg

Proper way to mount a RDS:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4719482962_73bb05efd5_b.jpg
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/BCM115.jpg
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae253/JFLOINDUSTRIES/RANGE%20PICS/f694e965-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/004-4.jpg?t=1276295200
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/TNVZ125439.jpg

Nose behind charging handle. Like these guys.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/4056259324_c42e2ce1c5.jpg
http://www.aacblog.com/wp-content/uploads/magpull_class2.jpg
http://www.crw-airsoft.com/ekmps/shops/crwuk/resources/image//ChrisCosta.jpg
http://www.ttellc.net/images/pws0s.jpg
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/jaf0206/DSC00061.jpg

Dude, if it works for him, then who cares?

There are reason why you don't put telescopic scopes all the way toward the rear on an AR15. It is not the proper way to do it. It will limit his ability. It will limit the scope ability. It will limit the AR15 ability.

If he want to do it that way, that is fine but he will never improve. I'm helping him. I'm not criticizing him.

 

[Bob the zombie]

I own a under-over rifle. It has two barrels: top one is a rifle and the bottom one is a shotgun basically. parents gave me it randomly.

 

[Aur0ra145]

snip

You need to either replace the optic or move it forward. As it stands the optic placement is not ideal. Your nose should be right behind the charging handle.

Proper way to mount a Telescopic scope.
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/AR2005.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/1zmp75s.jpg
http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv329/conan56/bdarty022.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7940/dsc05032o.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/Gun%20collection/ar545/IMG_2357.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9335/12826003.jpg

Proper way to mount a RDS:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4719482962_73bb05efd5_b.jpg
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/BCM115.jpg
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae253/JFLOINDUSTRIES/RANGE%20PICS/f694e965-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/004-4.jpg?t=1276295200
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/TNVZ125439.jpg

Nose behind charging handle. Like these guys.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/4056259324_c42e2ce1c5.jpg
http://www.aacblog.com/wp-content/uploads/magpull_class2.jpg
http://www.crw-airsoft.com/ekmps/shops/crwuk/resources/image//ChrisCosta.jpg
http://www.ttellc.net/images/pws0s.jpg
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/jaf0206/DSC00061.jpg

Dude, if it works for him, then who cares?

There are reason why you don't put telescopic scopes all the way toward the rear on an AR15. It is not the proper way to do it. It will limit his ability. It will limit the scope ability. It will limit the AR15 ability.

If he want to do it that way, that is fine but he will never improve. I'm helping him. I'm not criticizing him.

No worries dude

 

[tsb247]

-snip-

You need to either replace the optic or move it forward. As it stands the optic placement is not ideal. Your nose should be right behind the charging handle.

Proper way to mount a Telescopic scope.
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/AR2005.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/UB3-15.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/1zmp75s.jpg
http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv329/conan56/bdarty022.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7940/dsc05032o.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/Gun%20collection/ar545/IMG_2357.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9335/12826003.jpg

Proper way to mount a RDS:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4719482962_73bb05efd5_b.jpg
http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae86/Mccraypics/BCM115.jpg
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae253/JFLOINDUSTRIES/RANGE%20PICS/f694e965-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/004-4.jpg?t=1276295200
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/TNVZ125439.jpg

Nose behind charging handle. Like these guys.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/4056259324_c42e2ce1c5.jpg
http://www.aacblog.com/wp-content/uploads/magpull_class2.jpg
http://www.crw-airsoft.com/ekmps/shops/crwuk/resources/image//ChrisCosta.jpg
http://www.ttellc.net/images/pws0s.jpg
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss15/jaf0206/DSC00061.jpg

I am aware that the scope is too far back. This particular scope has a very low eye-relief, and parallax becomes a bit of a problem if I shift it forward too much more than this.

I got this scope for $130 at a gun show. When I Googled the serial number on the scope, I got a hit to some company in Denmark (I can't remember them off the top of my head). This model would usually cost over $900 without shipping when I did the currency conversions. I really wish I could remember the manufacturer.

I have heard, "Nose against the charging handle," a million times, and with a short/medium range optic mounted, I follow that rule. However, this scope doesn't seem to allow for it.

 

[tsb247]

I may end up getting a P90 just to have, even if I think it's a crap gun by a crap company. I'm an HK fan boy. =p

What makes the P90 a crap gun and why is FNH a crap company? The P90 is primarily used for counter terrorism/VIP protection by 31 countries world wide including Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, U.K, and the US. FNH is responsible for the Browning High Power, the first pistol to use the short recoil action on a link-less barrel, which nearly all modern handguns are based off of (including the USP). Today FNH manufactures 70% of the small arms used by the US military, from M4s to M2s, and also owns both WInchester and Browning. Recently the FNH SCAR-L out performed the HK 416 in the SOF Combat Assault Rifle trails and has already started replacing M4s in SOF. Unlike HK, FNH doesn't hate civilians. In addition to the PS90 and FS2000, they released the civilian friendly SCAR 16S. HK has no intention of releasing a civilian version of the XM8, G36, or MP7. HK is going to release the civilian version of the 416 (a gas piston AR-15 w/ an HK sticker on it) but they have designed it to be incompatible with standard AR-15 lowers.... so the only way to use it is to buy the entire $3500 rifle. I also forgot to mention the fact the FNP series of handguns are on par with USPs in every aspect, FOR HALF THE FUCKING PRICE.

You may love HK, but HK thinks you suck and hates you

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

FN is a great company. They are a major producer of small arms to many militaries and law enforcement around the world.

The problem with the P90 (civilian model PS90) and FN 5-7 pistol is the caliber they use. The running joke is that it takes the entire magazine (P90 all 50 rounds. Keep in mind it is a joke and it does not take 50 rounds to kill a bad guy) to stop a bad guy. The 5.7x28mm is not a caliber to trust with your life.

The only active government organization that use P90 is the Secret Service.

DocGKR has a Ph.d in ballistic and he doesn't recommend 5.7x28mm to law enforcement and military.
http://www.google.com/search?q=DocGKR+5.7&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

I don't like bullpup. Those firearms sacrifice a lot for one advantage (compactness). You do everything slower with bullpup. All special operators use conventional rifle design instead of bullpup even in countries that use bullpup as their standard.

I would argue against the idea the the 5.7x28mm is a poor round for stopping a threat. It's got a nice propensity to tumble upon hitting a soft target; creating a wound channel that is > or = to a 9mm. The only downside that I can see is the pure lack of kinetic energy. In that respect, it does have very little actual 'stopping' power.

Whatever the case, the round was conceived for one purpose and one purpose only - To penetrate body armor.

 

[jdun]

I may end up getting a P90 just to have, even if I think it's a crap gun by a crap company. I'm an HK fan boy. =p

What makes the P90 a crap gun and why is FNH a crap company? The P90 is primarily used for counter terrorism/VIP protection by 31 countries world wide including Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, U.K, and the US. FNH is responsible for the Browning High Power, the first pistol to use the short recoil action on a link-less barrel, which nearly all modern handguns are based off of (including the USP). Today FNH manufactures 70% of the small arms used by the US military, from M4s to M2s, and also owns both WInchester and Browning. Recently the FNH SCAR-L out performed the HK 416 in the SOF Combat Assault Rifle trails and has already started replacing M4s in SOF. Unlike HK, FNH doesn't hate civilians. In addition to the PS90 and FS2000, they released the civilian friendly SCAR 16S. HK has no intention of releasing a civilian version of the XM8, G36, or MP7. HK is going to release the civilian version of the 416 (a gas piston AR-15 w/ an HK sticker on it) but they have designed it to be incompatible with standard AR-15 lowers.... so the only way to use it is to buy the entire $3500 rifle. I also forgot to mention the fact the FNP series of handguns are on par with USPs in every aspect, FOR HALF THE FUCKING PRICE.

You may love HK, but HK thinks you suck and hates you

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

FN is a great company. They are a major producer of small arms to many militaries and law enforcement around the world.

The problem with the P90 (civilian model PS90) and FN 5-7 pistol is the caliber they use. The running joke is that it takes the entire magazine (P90 all 50 rounds. Keep in mind it is a joke and it does not take 50 rounds to kill a bad guy) to stop a bad guy. The 5.7x28mm is not a caliber to trust with your life.

The only active government organization that use P90 is the Secret Service.

DocGKR has a Ph.d in ballistic and he doesn't recommend 5.7x28mm to law enforcement and military.
http://www.google.com/search?q=DocGKR+5.7&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

I don't like bullpup. Those firearms sacrifice a lot for one advantage (compactness). You do everything slower with bullpup. All special operators use conventional rifle design instead of bullpup even in countries that use bullpup as their standard.

I would argue against the idea the the 5.7x28mm is a poor round for stopping a threat. It's got a nice propensity to tumble upon hitting a soft target; creating a wound channel that is > or = to a 9mm. The only downside that I can see is the pure lack of kinetic energy. In that respect, it does have very little actual 'stopping' power.

Whatever the case, the round was conceived for one purpose and one purpose only - To penetrate body armor.

Go check out the link I posted.

DocGKR and his peer have argue against using the 5.7x28 for sometime. They have far more knowledge than anyone here on ballistic. They spend their entire adult life on the subject.

There is nothing special about the 5.7. Almost every standard rifle round penetrate soft body armor. AP pistol rounds will penetrate soft body armor.