Guys are jerks. But girls...?

[mireko]

Sure, assholes can be either gender but eh... that girl in the FaceBook comment doesn't sound like that much of a jerk, sounds more like "Toby" is a creepy stalker. If you ask someone out and they aren't interested, then you back off and look else-where, following them around and showering gifts onto them isn't going to suddenly make them like you.

If she wanted him to stop, she shouldn't have accepted his various attentions. She did what so many girls do - took advantage of a poor sap that she knew was crazy about her. Friend of mine used to do this all the time. "It's not my fault if they want to give me things," was her line.

In fairness, we lack the data to make that claim. The screenshot only contains Toby's side of the story, so he could be a deranged mollusc-man living in the walls of her house for all we know.

If a mollusc-man asks you to dance, do you decline? What if he gets angry and shoots caustic gel at you from his eye sockets? In most cases, it is safer to lie and run.

 

[smithy_2045]

Everyone is a jerk.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Girls and boys are as much dicks as each other.

Girls have the capacity to be evil spiteful creatures that are only good for destruction

Men have the capacity to be evil spiteful creatures that are only good for destruction

The only difference is, it's rude to think girls are evil, because their appearance is built around the entire culture of 'sugar, spice, and everything nice.' While the boys are the gross, boyish 'salt, snails and a puppy dog tails.'

We have grown up being taught that girls are nicer than boys. There are small exceptions when we are very young children I suppose. But it's just not true. Women can be as dickish as men. And men can be as dickish as women. There is no gender specific line that stops women's dickish-o-meter being at full capacity not being as serious as a male dickish-o-meter's lowest capacity.

And it's a situation, where if this thread was called 'Girls are jerks. But guys.' Then massive idiots will bark 'SEXISM, SEXISM.' You know it's true. And because this case is almost certain, isn't this entire culture of girls being nicer than guys by default, sexist toward men? I don't know about you, but I know a lot of dickish men, and a lot of dickish women. But the on a ratio of nicer men, to nicer women-- The men win. Yes, I know a lot more nicer men than I do nicer women.

 

[Zaik]

Pretty common.

The only problem I ever had with it is women are often encouraged to be jerks by society and defended afterward, while guys are not.

I don't even need to make any examples, responses in this thread are plenty enough.

Sounds to me like a girl taking mild advantage of an extremely obsessed stalker type. But then again, I've met stalkers who can't take a hint from being beaten up and left in an alley by the person they stalk.

"IN YEAR 10 I BROKE INTO YOUR ROOM AND STOLE SOME HAIR FROM YOUR BRUSH SO I COULD PUT IT IN MY SHRINE AND YOU CALLED THE POLICE OMG WHY U SUCH A *****"

Anyway.. to be honest, not really. There are always assholes, of course, but on the whole I've run into far more obnoxious/dickish men.

Although in that picture that guy comes across as a bit of a stalker, so I don't blame that girl for trying to avoid him

There's plenty of evidence right there. It wasn't creepy stalkerish nonsense, he was being strung along the entire time. Naive? Yes. Stalker? Hardly.

 

[Senaro]

Girls are more subtle? Hardly. You find the same jerks in any race, gender, color, or creed. It doesn't matter where you go.

 

[teisjm]

Girls can be dicks, but that facebook thing you posted, is really just a guy who won't accept defeat.
Not Beeign interrested in someone doesn't make you a jerk.

 

[Jonluw]

One of my childhood bullies was a girl, so yeah.

 

[lemby117]

Sure, assholes can be either gender but eh... that girl in the FaceBook comment doesn't sound like that much of a jerk, sounds more like "Toby" is a creepy stalker. If you ask someone out and they aren't interested, then you back off and look else-where, following them around and showering gifts onto them isn't going to suddenly make them like you.

Your right in one way about toby but the girl is a dick because rather than turning the gifts down she took them thanked him then used them for her own means when the non dickish thing to do would be to respectfuly decline the gifts and to explain as nicley as possible that you did not feel that way about him.

Edit: damn ninja'd by Susan Arendt

 

[JoJo]

Sure, assholes can be either gender but eh... that girl in the FaceBook comment doesn't sound like that much of a jerk, sounds more like "Toby" is a creepy stalker. If you ask someone out and they aren't interested, then you back off and look else-where, following them around and showering gifts onto them isn't going to suddenly make them like you.

If she wanted him to stop, she shouldn't have accepted his various attentions. She did what so many girls do - took advantage of a poor sap that she knew was crazy about her. Friend of mine used to do this all the time. "It's not my fault if they want to give me things," was her line.

Spoiler: Picture here for reference

True, stringing along someone for easy gifts is definitely jerkish but I don't see much evidence of that here. She threw away his cards and gave away the rose he gave her and she refused to dance. Okay, taking the tickets was bad of her but I wouldn't put all the blame on her after he put her in an embarrassing situation by pre-emptively buying them.

This is exactly true. I don't understand why people are calling that kid a "creepy stalker". He's making attempts to take her out and try to woo her and won't give up. It isn't creepy, it's persistent. She kept taking advantage of him, which kept giving him a bit of hope.

Seriously, if you don't want anything to do with someone, just tell them. Keeping them around because you "like the attention" or "like getting gifts" is just wrong. It makes you out to be a horrible person.

According to Toby's testimony she took advantage of him only once (with the tickets) so I wouldn't put all the blame on her. From Year 7 to Year 9 (up until after he asked to dance), that's not creepy in my books although giving her three valentine cards seems a little over-the-top, she must have got the point with the first one. True she should have just said no to the dance rather than going off but hell Year 9 is only aged 13 to 14 so she probably didn't know what to do in that situation. Buying the tickets though is where I think he crossed the line when it was obvious she didn't want anything to do with him.

 

[Gxas]

According to Toby's testimony she took advantage of him only once (with the tickets) so I wouldn't put all the blame on her. From Year 7 to Year 9 (up until after he asked to dance), that's not creepy in my books although giving her three valentine cards seems a little over-the-top, she must have got the point with the first one. True she should have just said no to the dance rather than going off but hell Year 9 is only aged 13 to 14 so she probably didn't know what to do in that situation. Buying the tickets though is where I think he crossed the line when it was obvious she didn't want anything to do with him.

You make a good point. I hadn't even considered ages in this (even though they're right there...) I had just thrown my age in there. The whole deal changes when you take age into account. You're right though, it's not entirely her fault, but it's not entirely his either.

 

[Boxinatorizore]

Appropriate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BUU7ff3ntE

BUt yeah, I ted to find girls to be more cold hearted, or atleast that's how it is where I live.

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

I've made this clear before, people are shit. Everyone can be shit. Some groups of people have unwritten, vaguely established ways of being shit, but there's always someone who breaks those rules, because they aren't rules. Trying to understand human behavior by breaking them into groups and devising specific rules is futile, because there really aren't any rules.

There are just as many petty, selfish, hateful, cruel, greedy, ignorant, poisonous, and yes, violent women as there are men. The more you buy into stereotypes, the more true they become. Don't assume things about people based on factors out of their control, that's basic reasonable behavior.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Just got burned by a girl for the first time, I take it?

No trait of humanity (other than physical ones) are unique to either gender.

EVERYONE can be a jerk.

EVERYONE can be an asshole.

Just because girls are "the fairer sex" doesn't mean they're never cruel and unusual. In fact, often times, they're more cruel and unusual than any guy I've met.

 

[Mallefunction]

According to the internet, all girls are either prudes, bitches, sluts, or ugly.

Or a combination of 3 of the 4 (bitchy, ugly, prude, etc)

Honestly, the amount of sexism I see is ridiculous. Yeah, there is a lot of sexism against men too, but I see a lot more against women online. Look, if a woman has treated you badly, it makes her a bad person. It does not make all women horrible. Find someone better and move on rather than hate on an entire gender just because you yourself have had a bad egg or two.

 

[Iron Mal]

At the end of the day, people are dicks.

Everyone has the capacity to be an arsehole whether they're a man or a woman, being one gender or the other doesn't suddenly affect how kind and considerate you are of others.

"IN YEAR 10 I BROKE INTO YOUR ROOM AND STOLE SOME HAIR FROM YOUR BRUSH SO I COULD PUT IT IN MY SHRINE AND YOU CALLED THE POLICE OMG WHY U SUCH A *****"

If the guy had said something like that then I'd agree with what others are saying when they call him a creepy stalker but overall what he did wasn't creepy or stalkerish at all, those looked to me like genuine attempts to try and show her that he was a nice guy (if somewhat awkwardly done).

Are you honestly saying it's weird to send a girl flowers and cards on Valentines day and ask her to dance at a school disco if you fancy her?

Anyway.. to be honest, not really. There are always assholes, of course, but on the whole I've run into far more obnoxious/dickish men.

Oh trust me, your opinion will change one day. Like I said above, women still have the capacity to be downright cruel (just like men do), although to be fair it tends to manifest itself in a different way.

As others have said, women tend to be more subtle about their attempts to psychologically break you as a person, men just prefer to punch you in the face.

I much prefer the punch in the face myself (that tends to be the end of it).

 

[LordFisheh]

Girls are as bad as everyone else.

The thing is, at least in the cases I know of, they're socially more likely to get a free pass. There's a perception that girls have more stress and drama to deal with, and this is something that most of the 'jerk' girls I know seem to perpetuate. In short - drama queens. Which makes sense, I guess, it's like escapism without the escape - life is exciting if you're subconsciously trying to view it that way. An offhand comment becomes a barbed insult, and when someone snaps they're actu-OH GOD HOW CAN YOU TREAT ME LIKE THIS IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T EVEN CARE. And just like that, your life becomes dramatic and you become so much deeper than those around you.

The problem is that this drama queen posturing that fuels and is fuelled by the perception is so commonplace that it's become normal. When I point out the ridiculousness of some situations, I tend to get a "women don't work like that", not a "hang on, that's really unfair". So essentially, I think social rules nudge us towards being more tolerant of unpleasantness in women. Of course I'm not saying that all women are like this, just the unpleasant ones. But there are always plenty of unpleasant ones to go round, in both genders.

 

[The Funslinger]

Yeah. And to be honest, I prefer when guys are dicks. At least guys will come to your face and insult you. Chicks tend to be more backstabbing and always act as if they are the victims.
Makes ya just wanna hit em in the face with a crowbar and dump their bodies in a ditch somewhere...
Wait, did I say that out loud? >.>

Oh, not necessarily. When I was 14, a girl who sat behind me in maths class (at this point we'd all known each other to some degree for a couple of years. However, this was the longest conversation I'd ever had with this particular person) tapped me on the shoulder.

Me: Yeah?
Her: Hey, (my name) how come you're so fucked up?
Me: what?
Her: ...
Me: *flips her off*

a couple of years later, she was on the committee for our prom and they decided to give each person there an "award" based on their personality. I got "Man of Many Mysteries" because in five years, that group of people never bothered to find out a single thing about me.

Edit: just to clarify, it was a very small school.

 

[MarkDavis94]

Pretty common.

The only problem I ever had with it is women are often encouraged to be jerks by society and defended afterward, while guys are not.

I don't even need to make any examples, responses in this thread are plenty enough.

Sounds to me like a girl taking mild advantage of an extremely obsessed stalker type. But then again, I've met stalkers who can't take a hint from being beaten up and left in an alley by the person they stalk.

"IN YEAR 10 I BROKE INTO YOUR ROOM AND STOLE SOME HAIR FROM YOUR BRUSH SO I COULD PUT IT IN MY SHRINE AND YOU CALLED THE POLICE OMG WHY U SUCH A *****"

Anyway.. to be honest, not really. There are always assholes, of course, but on the whole I've run into far more obnoxious/dickish men.

Although in that picture that guy comes across as a bit of a stalker, so I don't blame that girl for trying to avoid him

There's plenty of evidence right there. It wasn't creepy stalkerish nonsense, he was being strung along the entire time. Naive? Yes. Stalker? Hardly.

He wasn't really being strung along, the girl binned his valentine cards and basicaly gave him a massive fuck you. Yeh she's being a dick, but I think he could have got the hint, that this girl isn't all that into him.

Obviously I don't know that entire situation, but from how that guy put it, it just makes him seem like he has some sort of scary obsession with her.

Also I think it was a bit harsh to blame your problems with women on 'jerks' and then call me and 2 other people 'jerks'

 

[Pingieking]

I prefer when girls are dicks, less chance of being punched in the face that way.

I don't know...
Girl jerks tend to like backstabbing. And last time I checked, a punch to the face is a bit less fatal than knives in the back. Plus, at least I can see the punches coming and know who's throwing it.

OT: Not really mistreated, but I after a breakup with this girl she would call me up out the blue to tell me shes dating someone new. Then called me a few weeks later to tell me she broke up with them. So I moved 3 states and 200 miles away HAHA.

This happened to me once.
I've never understood why she thinks that I would want to know. The two possible results are that I would be hurt or that I wouldn't give a fuck, neither of which are particularly desirable.

But yeah, people are terrible. Though I have to say that I prefer male jerks more than female ones, because female ones are more subtle and sneaky.
It's like choosing between a pirate nemesis or ninja nemesis. They're both badass and can easily ruin me, but at least I can see the pirate coming.