Hacking/BOTTING on MMOs is morally superior over hacking FPS etc

[ionveau]

After playing a few MMOs and FPS RTS games etc it has come to my attention that Hacking Botting on an MMO is less evil over hacking on a FPS game etc, But where do i get this theory from you may ask, The simple answer to this is if The game play of an MMO is so simple that even a program can emulate the actions needed to progress then why do we bother grinding on MMOs when we could i dont know do anything els even play a better game, but you must understand where im coming from,

If i asked you what is 998782346545645 + 346326345234234 sure you can do it in your head and its a simple question but wouldn't you rather use a calculator? thats the same with MMOs after you do everything once whats the point of doing it again? especially if this task in question is right click a Ore to mine it.

On the Flip side hacking FPS game or any competitive game in general is not very moral at all, You see if your facing off against a player in a game where number dont determine the out come using hacks like wall hack or aim bots if very cheap and overall ruins the game for others.

But you may ask but BOTTING on MMOs ruins the game for others also, Well lets think about this one, the effect of "ruined game" is not a direct blow to the person, sure maybe if he sees you botting he will say oh my look at me wasting my time while this guy gets everything faster without putting any work into it.

For this i have a simple answer Yes your right they are cheating and getting everything faster they are bypassing all the junk while you heroically kill that 9000th boar to gain that 80th level

but think about it are you having fun? if the action of playing an MMO is not fun then why are you playing it? or is it a greed factor found only in MMO players, You see if i cheated on COD and got all unlock from the start and own you in a match, tell me is it that i beat you because i cheated the game or rather did i beat you because the game is unbalanced and depends on numbers over effort of the player?

 

[Tax_Document]

Why bother working? Someone else will do my job for me and I can just get money from the Government!


Same principle dude.

 

[Mr Twist]

You don't make any sense at all.

 

[Moriarty]

So your argument boils down to "I don't understand MMO's"?

 

[ionveau]

Why bother working? Someone else will do my job for me and I can just get money from the Government!


Same principle dude.

One problem im talking about video games

 

[Alexnader]

Eh, it wasn't very well expressed but I kinda get what he means or at least I agree with the overall sentiment. MMOs have a large PvE element, so botting to get to the higher level content and being able to be useful in raids and whatnot doesn't strike me as being too bad. I mean it raises questions of why you'd bother but in the end no one really gets hurt and you'll be helping others by being better equipped to deal with instances.

However in online FPSs almost the entire aim is to work against another set of players, so by utilising hacks you'll be damaging the experiences of others.

Of course this distinction only holds true when the MMO player is doing cooperative activities. If there's a race between two guilds to see who can beat a new boss or something first then the botting becomes just as bad as hacking in any other competitive game.

In the end it's easier to just say "No hacks whatsoever" because it's too easy to go from the nice kind of hacking to the worse kind.

 

[LetalisK]

This is like saying one turd smells better than another.

 

[Bobbity]

But then some people have to work for their goals, while others simply shell over money and get them completed for them. It's immoral in that it devalues hard work.

I don't like hackers, no matter what they're doing.

 

[Throwitawaynow]

On the Flip side hacking FPS game or any competitive game in general is not very moral at all

MMOs are competitive games...

Edit: In fact, I would go so far as to say hacking/botting MMOs are WORSE than hacking/botting a FPS. Botting a MMO hurts far more people, and has farther lasting effects. Both people can be banned, but the economy change that an MMO player has when botting is far greater than anything a FPS can do. You can almost single-handedly inflate an entire server with thousands of people on it while in FPS any stat change is cosmetic for the people that it hurt.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

The OP makes no sense... however botting is just as bad as cheating. It inflates in-game economies and causes certain activities to be less rewarding. For example, it's pointless to have Mining in WoW right now because bots have completely saturated the market with Ore, causing it's price to absolutely plummet.

 

[Zaik]

Why bother working? Someone else will do my job for me and I can just get money from the Government!


Same principle dude.

It's not that i disagree, however he is implying just that. It's "work", not "fun".

I'm personally torn on the subject. Botting in some MMO's wrecks entire economies, however botting in...say...Diablo 2, was completely acceptable and I would question the sanity of anyone who didn't bot, to be completely honest.

Hacking in a fps though is pointless. It's not even fun anymore because you're not even playing, you just watch as your aimbot kills everyone with pinpoint headshots while you spin impossibly fast.

This is like saying one turd smells better than another.

Would you rather clean up #2 or #6?

 

[ionveau]

On the Flip side hacking FPS game or any competitive game in general is not very moral at all

MMOs are competitive games...

My number is higher then your therefore i win, How is that competitive? sure if you say competition of who can sit at there computer longer killing boars sure

 

[raaaar]

numbers decide everything in every video game. every game you play is boiled down to a bunch of lines of code which in turn is boiled down to a bunch of 1's and 0's.

if you want to break down botting in the different genre's you could probably say botting in fps's directly ruin the game for a tiny number of people while botting in mmo's indirectly make the game slightly less interesting/entertaining for the entire gaming world. probably difficult to say which one is worse.

 

[LetalisK]

This is like saying one turd smells better than another.

Would you rather clean up #2 or #6?

False dilemma, I choose neither. I shouldn't have to deal with either one.

 

[LoFr3Eq]

I'm inclined to agree, cheating in an FPS in pretty abhorrent, it ruins the game for everyone immediately.

On the flipside, botting in MMOs isn't as bad, you aren't destroying someone else's experience straight away. MMOs aren't exactly competitive like FPS, because you aren't competing in a fast paced competition (at least when botting would be used).

In EVE online it pretty much lets the game bot for you when you aren't online, so yeah that sounds like a plan.

 

[Throwitawaynow]

On the Flip side hacking FPS game or any competitive game in general is not very moral at all

MMOs are competitive games...

My number is higher then your therefore i win, How is that competitive? sure if you say competition of who can sit at there computer longer killing boars sure

That's your defense? That MMOs don't take any skill to play? Wow, that is pretty pathetic. So if you could get the same level of gear without knowledge of the game you could beat anyone, or have an equal chance if you're both on the same footing except the other guy has years of experience?

FPS also take a lot of sitting at the computer and killing others to be competitive.

 

[linwolf]

Hacking in MMOs is far worse as it can destroy an entire server where as in FPS it at most can destroy a single game.

 

[ionveau]

On the Flip side hacking FPS game or any competitive game in general is not very moral at all

MMOs are competitive games...

My number is higher then your therefore i win, How is that competitive? sure if you say competition of who can sit at there computer longer killing boars sure

That's your defense? That MMOs don't take any skill to play? Wow, that is pretty pathetic. So if you could get the same level of gear without knowledge of the game you could beat anyone, or have an equal chance if you're both on the same footing except the other guy has years of experience?

FPS also take a lot of sitting at the computer and killing others to be competitive.

Your right, i need to pick the class that beats that guys class, face it MMOs are not competitive games

FPS games dont give you +1 armor or +1 attack every time you kill 10 people just saying unless its COD but most people just hack the levels anyway or at lest the people i know who play

 

[bushwhacker2k]

I think OP is kind of overgeneralizing MMOs, I certainly agree a lot of them are bland grindfests but some are actually putting in some effort. One could argue that all FPSs are technically the same and thus uncreative and not worth playing with the same argument on the other side, it'd be wrong, but that's my point.

I, for one, like numbers, thank you very much!

 

[Smooth Operator]

Seems you lot are all sailing right past the point of: What king of boting?
In an MMO the bot replaces players forced manual labor(press button 10k times to get item/level/gold), in an FPS the bots replace players skill and fun, and that is a completely different bag of beans.

I wrote a grinding script for pretty much every MMO I ever played(even got a couple for Minecraft), thus replacing the lab-rat level button pressing tedium for something creative, keeps me from going mental before getting to the good parts.