Halo 4 Sexism Earns You a Lifetime Ban

[Snowblindblitz]

What? It really is Wolfkill? I just didn't want to hash people's buzz at how badass a name it was. I really though "Wolkfill" was some finnish name or something that was easy to misread.

Hot damn!

Damon Gorillamurder.

haha This is my favorite part of this thread. The epicness of Wolfkill.

Think I found a name for my first male child.

On that note: I love the people arguing about the possibility of not being allowed to be a dick anymore.

Best thing in LoL? The tribunal. I love going through and helping weed out abusive players. I will say, the first time that came out, in the beta phase, it was awful. Terrible. Most of the time when I hop on there now, it's a lot more tame. Actually having to judge a feeder vs a noob, etc.

People should never affect someone else enjoyment of a product. And if it is a big deal not to say mean things, you should grow up.

 

[Kevin7557]

Freedom Of Speech Exists
Get Over It

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Average teenager: "You mean I won't get to call tryhards faggots anymore? MICROSOFT ARE FASCISTS!"

Average older gamer: "Thank God, and thank you, Microsoft!"

Now if this is successful, I only hope the same will happen to the TF2 and Left 4 Dead crowds. I'm not a good. I'm not even a great player of those games, but I have fun with 'em. I'm getting more than a little tired of being stuck muting idiots because instead of giving me constructive criticism, they figure spewing insults at me will suddenly make me play decently.

Newsflash, idiots: if you don't share your strategy, the less improvisation-inclined among us will be deprived of a chance to learn.

 

[T_ConX]

Both Ross and Wolkfill are prominent female gamers, but neither wants gender to be their defining characteristic. "When Microsoft created 343 Industries to take over Halo," Ross said, "I was given first choice to run the studio because I had proven myself. My gender played no part in it."

I TOTALLY AGREE! Bonnie Ross totally deserves this post after proving herself on... um...

Wait, who is this person?

Her IMDB Listing gives her credit as a studio manager for Halo:Reach and Kung Fu Chaos, a game that was about as racist as the kids on XBL are sexist. She was also a producer on not-a-game Halo Legends. That's really all I can find on her. Maybe she's done something incredably meaningful that I can't seem to find...

Maybe she won a Doritos eating contest...

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Again it's only sexist if it's men....

reminds me of something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ (too lazy to make an embed)

Gnight, be tommorrow.

yeah...because I was about to say ITS OK for those hoards of women on xbox live threataning to cut off guys dicks...
oh wait no it isn't

I say it is alright, because even if they did the guys wouldn't give a shit. No really, I'm 100% serious. We (the guys) would actually laugh. That's exactly what I would do if a woman threatened to chop off my dick over voice chat in a game, I would laugh my ass off at how angry she was getting and would look for ways to get her angrier and yell more stuff for my amusement. When someone loses their temper or says ridiculous shit like that, things become extra-entertaining and worthy enough to record and post on Youtube for laughs. Look up the countless examples

 

[Vault101]

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well aside form that being beside the point I was making....

it doesnt matter if its "funny" or whatever..I mean ok if I get abusuded online I may try and make light of it due to how retarded the abusers are

HOWEVER thats not an excuse to trivialise what is (I think) a real issue, if you are abused constantly due to your gender or otherwise then that IS a problem..and others don't find it as funny..especially after some time

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

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well aside form that being beside the point I was making....

it doesnt matter if its "funny" or whatever..I mean ok if I get abusuded online I may try and make light of it due to how retarded the abusers are

HOWEVER thats not an excuse to trivialise what is (I think) a real issue, if you are abused constantly due to your gender or otherwise then that IS a problem..and others don't find it as funny..especially after some time

Doesn't justify perma-banning someone for a single instance because that's what this is sounding like. And if someone is being constantly abused due to their gender then I think they have a very serious problem which can be easily solved by Googling "where is the mute button".

 

[Trippy Turtle]

While I agree you are a jerk for doing it I don't think its that big of a deal. If you can't take a few insults, especially over the internet, than you really have problems.

 

[Smeatza]

Don't worry guys, racism is still ok.

In all seriousness this is an obvious publicity play, "ooh look at us, were so modern and accepting, protecting the females playing our games."

Harassment towards anyone is unacceptable, and re-enforcing the stereotype that harassment towards a woman is worse than harassment towards a man, or someone of a different race is wrong.

 

[Vrex360]

I'm still not particularly thrilled with Halo 4 for a plethora of reasons that I have already explained in the past (The story ended with 3, stop making sequels). However despite my lack of interest in Halo 4, this news gives me shivers of joy.
I love that 343 has the guts to come right out and say 'ENOUGH' when it comes to online harrassment. I'm glad to see that real action is finally coming around to put an end to crap like this, this is something I can totally support and hope others follow suit with.

 

[chikusho]

Zero-Tolerance is _always_ a bad idea.

 

[BooTsPs3]

Freedom Of Speech Exists
Get Over It

Seems you don't understand freedom of speech.

For example, if someone was murdered and i said i did it, then went to court and plead guilty, got on the bus to prison and then got off the bus. I couldn't say "freedom of speech i was just kidding lolol"

Look up freedom of speech, because you clearly don't understand it.

 

[BooTsPs3]

Well, I'll be damned. Microsoft is actually doing something right for once.

Not really. Why is it zero tolerance for sexism against women? Why not men too? Why not racial abuse? Why not abusing people in general? It just screams publicity stunt to me. Though i have never played halo on XBL before. Just local multiplayer so i don't know what the community is actually like

 

[Duskflamer]

"When Microsoft created 343 Industries to take over Halo," Ross said, "I was given first choice to run the studio because I had proven myself. My gender played no part in it."

Er... doing what, exactly? I've never heard of that person before, so evidently she didn't prove herself very well. Was there any massive game-improving changes she inspired or was directly responsible for? Are there even any good games with her name on them?

Searching her name on Google brings up a not-insubstantial list of games she's worked on http://www.giantbomb.com/kiki-wolfkill/72-54471/

Do keep in mind that there really aren't any "big names" in the gaming industry outside of people like Peter Molyneux who go out of their way to make themselves known, a majority of the people behind great games don't get a whole lot of public exposure, that doesn't mean that they're somehow undeserving of getting promoted for the work they've done.

 

[Erttheking]

I love this. No, when MEN do it, it's different. It's just trash talk. Of course it is. Keep on shining, you crazy diamond!

It's all trash talk, and either all of it is okay, or none of it is.

That's just it, why is everyone so uptight about a bit of trash talk? If I'm pissed at someone because I missed a shot or they got a rocket launcher, why can't I cures him/her out? Why should I just let The Man tell me I'm not allowed to be angry because I might hurt someone's feelings who's probably too young to be on that game anyway?

That is ridiculous. If someone is getting pushed around on XBL because of their gender than it isn't "their problem" and I really don't see why we should harbor and protect that kind of stuff. It's a major problem considering how many women on this thread are actually saying that they might actually consider playing XBL again. And according to what you said, the report system doesn't really do anything, which is exactly why we NEED an overhauled report system. Also man, why exactly shouldn't we strive to better ourselves? Why should we just be content with allowing a bunch of assholes running around making the games less fun for everyone else? Why? Why should we defend that? I can't remember the last time I met a girl on XBL, and I have a pretty good idea why. Now then, I am tired and I am going to bed.

Because YOU have the option not hear those racial slurs or sexist remarks. YOU can just mute anyone you like. If you don't mute or block someone and you know they are harassing you, then you're choosing to listen to it. It shouldn't be 343's job to make sure you can handle online interaction. It's not pretty, but most people seem to deal with it just fine.

And banning anyone that says anything dirty or trashy just shows how how thin skinned we are. You will hear a lot of things you don't like from everywhere, but there's nothing we can do about it. Just learn to tolerate it. This entire thread shows just how much we much want other people to manage our feelings for us because we are either too afraid to or simply don't care.

I think you're ignoring exactly how hostile XBL can be. As has been pointed out before, more than a few women on this thread flat out admitted that they didn't even want to go on because of how bad it is. This isn't an isolated incident of just one person telling one woman to get back into the kitchen, this is so widespread that it's actually become a stereotype for XBL, and who knows how many women are not playing online or not using mikes because of it. I don't except the excuse that some people are just "thin skinned" online networks need to have standards. The Escapist has standards, in this very thread, someone told Vault101 to stop being an ass and he got a warning for it. Are you saying that that shouldn't have happened? I'm not, because he violated the Escapist's code of conduct and he got punished for it. Code of conducts like that keep website's from descending into a cesspool. Just muting people doesn't cut it, because it's become so widespread you're going to have to stop to hit the mute button every five minutes, and it's indicative of a bigger problem. Stuff like this is against the Xbox Live code of conduct, this is not a new rule they are trying to enforce. Are their methods harsh? Yes. Do I believe that they are necessary and will get results? Yes.