Hardcore Will Adopt Kinect First, Says Microsoft

[Baby Tea]

Did you even bother to read all that I posted or do you just tunnel vision to the points you want to complain about? Because that seems to be the case.

You said, really, three things:
A) You don't like the Wii.
B) You don't like motion controls.
c) You don't think the Wiisports games are games.

I'm sorry, I didn't touch on you saying how you didn't like the motion controls or the Wii.
I figured something so subjective really didn't need a rebuttal, since no amount of pointing out that the Wii sold 70 million units and that people really enjoy the Wii controls would change your mind.

The only objective thing you said was what makes people gamers. I was merely pointing out that your 'go outside and play real tennis' argument was missing the point of playing video game tennis. Which is why I said "Don't play Call of Duty, go out and join the real military". See how silly that is? It's a parallel.

And I didn't ask you how long you've been gaming, so I didn't comment on that.
Did I miss anything else?

 

[NickCaligo42]

I didn't think the Wiimote vibrated. Is that an add-on?

Nope. They've had rumble since day 1, actually.

Aaaaand that's all I'm gonna add to this conversation. You and I are very, very different people who enjoy very different things in our games. e_@;

 

[_Cake_]

If they have games where it uses good voice, face, and object recognition. Basically if we get Milo but without the little boy.

So far all I have seen where wii mini games that don't work if your wearing black(Oh nos I have dark skin so can I play without dressing up like the Good Humor Ice Cream Man or Colonel Sanders?)

Also I just saw a story where a developer said the games they are working on for the Kinetic are mainstream.

 

[Baby Tea]

Aaaaand that's all I'm gonna add to this conversation. You and I are very, very different people who enjoy very different things in our games. e_@;

Haha, that's ok!
I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy anything. I'm just trying to help people understand that not every new game that comes out is for them. And if it's not for them, that doesn't mean it sucks. I don't own a Wii, I don't want a Wii, but I can see how it appeals to people. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Sebenko]

well I'm certainty not buying it. And I, good gentlemen, and indeed incredibly ridiculously sicknasty hardcore. Word, and such.

Begone, foul Kinect! And take your stupid incorporeal tiger with you!

 

[Pingupower]

Motion control is incompatible with hardcore gaming. If you can play 20 hours in a row you're not a gamer, you're an athlete.
And I know no hardcore who would give more than 50 bucks for that toy.

 

[LawlessSquirrel]

Seems Microsoft is realising they're not reaching the bulk of their audience. I'm sure there will be some good games that integrate good Kinect features (Fable 3, maybe?), but just saying "oh, it has stuff you'll like too" without having anything to show for it isn't going to cut it.
Notice how they give an example of the casual games but no example for ones that arn't?

In other news, I invented a powder that turns water into oil. I'm not going to show it to you, but I can show you some salt packets that turns water into salt water.

 

[Fox242]

This has to be a joke right? The hardcore 360 players I know will not pay $150 to be able to spazz about to a mostly unresponsive hardware gimmick. For anyone who is still convinced that this is a good idea, look up the E3 demonstration of Dance Central on Youtube.

Yeah, the hardcore crowd would love to dance around like fools. Seriously Microsoft what are you thinking?

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

'Kay, now that THAT'S out of the way, let me just say that I'm seriously tired of these Wii bashing sessions. Let's address this a piece at a time. People complain about how "Nintendo isn't selling to it's hardcore audience." I rebuttal to that with the following statement:

"What hardcore audience?"

Who? Us REAL gamers with our FPS's and RPG's, people who have been playing those type of games since the early days of PC gaming? When has Nintendo WITHOUT THIRD PARTY SUPPORT ever made any of those type of games? Maybe like a couple RPG's, but were they ever what you consider "hardcore"? This is shit Nintendo has NEVER been a part of.

Oh wait! What about Mario? And Zelda? Those are the "hardcore" Nintendo titles! Well, guess what, people. Just because you've been ignoring 5 years of Nintendo releases doesn't mean they don't fucking exist. There's been a Mario game out every fucking year, both on Wii and the DS. And you're telling me that you didn't notice those two little Zelda hits on the DS? Oh! But they're CELL-SHADED! *GASP* A video game sin! And they're from The Windwaker, clearly the black sheep of the Zelda family. NONE of you can tell me that you didn't play Windwaker through 'til then end and say that it was shitty.

Point is, my lovelies, Nintendo has never been "hardcore". Whatever you define as "hardcore" (cause it always seems to change meaning every time I hear it) Nintendo is beyond it. Every time I come on here, I hear nerd-rage about how all those evil governors and parents say video games are bad. It pisses me off as well, but you know what? They can't touch Nintendo. They've got a squeaky clean track record, nothing to ***** about unless you ***** for bitching's sake. How many Wii's are in people's homes around the world? How many DS's have quadrupled any of the sales of any other video gaming console? All those people, all those "horrible" casual gamers that you hate with a passion. They're getting introduced to gaming. They're normal everyday people, never picked up a game in their life and over-all neutral to the whole "video games debate". Well, now they've been playing some video games. You really want to turn them away? Do you honestly want to refuse that kind of support?

Anyway, now that the Nintendo rage is out of the way, let me just say, Microsoft screwed this one. This isn't going to work. Nintendo's been doing this job for over 25 years. It KNOWS how to play this game, and you only just read the rule book. Do what you do best, and let Nintendo do what it does best.

 

[Zayren]

Need I say more?

If you Really want to know if Kinect will be good, ask yourself these five questions.

1. Do you like the Wii?
2. Do you enjoy motion controls?
3. Do you enjoy endless heaps of shovelware?
4. Are you a hardcore gamer?
5. Can a game be hardcore if it uses motion controls?

3. No, that's why I didn't get a PS2

What? Are you kidding me? The PS2 has heaps of shovelware? Do you know what shovelware is? Please, see the video above.

 

[Crimson_Dragoon]

Its a shame there's no place Microsoft can go to show off its games that appeal to the hardcore crowd. Some sort of...video game convention or something that would be the perfect place to show games for the sort of people who be interested in this convention in the first place. Alas, these fevered dreams will never be.

 

[Ganthrinor]

Did you even bother to read all that I posted or do you just tunnel vision to the points you want to complain about? Because that seems to be the case.

You said, really, three things:
A) You don't like the Wii.
B) You don't like motion controls.
c) You don't think the Wiisports games are games.

I'm sorry, I didn't touch on you saying how you didn't like the motion controls or the Wii.
I figured something so subjective really didn't need a rebuttal, since no amount of pointing out that the Wii sold 70 million units and that people really enjoy the Wii controls would change your mind.

The only objective thing you said was what makes people gamers. I was merely pointing out that your 'go outside and play real tennis' argument was missing the point of playing video game tennis. Which is why I said "Don't play Call of Duty, go out and join the real military". See how silly that is? It's a parallel.

And I didn't ask you how long you've been gaming, so I didn't comment on that.
Did I miss anything else?

My initial stance was that I thought the WiiMote was a mistake, a statement which I still stand by (I have to wonder exactly how many broken televisions, windows and other household items the WiiMote is responsible for). I went on to express my distaste for the Wii in general. A personal prefernce, and nothing I've seen from it's consumers or developers has yet to convince me otherwise.

Motion Controls are unnessecary and tend to have control issues. Again, skip the 3D and motion controls, let's get the Neural Interface Unit going. Peripheial seem to appeal to a lot of people, but I'll just keep my money, thank you.

WiiSports games are games in the way that Curling is a sport. Somebody took the time and effort to develop it, people play it, there's a fanbase for it. Call it a "Niche Game" if you will. They vary pretty widely from what was commonly accepted as a videogame for a number of years. Sports sims confuse me, honestly. You can sit around on your couch and pretend to play tennis. Or you can go get a few mates and go play tennis. Comparing that to telling FPS players to go buy a real gun or join the military and shoot people is outlandish and irresponsible.

 

[Zing]

Nope, I will not.

 

[t_rexaur]

You didn't mention Rock Band or Guitar Hero. I think it has potential and can't help but wonder how many people are hating on it because they're lazy. I mean, I don't think Microsoft is expecting people to do full workouts while playing. (I'm hoping) that they do this right...please...please give me the controls that mirror "Minority Report". Stuff like that would be great.

I have a friend who's really, REALLY vocal in his hatred of the Wii and all things motion control based. He's about 16-20 Stone with a build Buddah would be proud of and teeth that have seen too much sugar and not enough toothpaste.

Now I'm not generalizing people in any way, but when I see someone who's main complaint about the Wii is "I don't want to have to shake my hands like mad or jump up and down", I imagine they must be build like my friend, because that's a horrible excuse.

Now if you go on about the lack of games, that's fine, because let's face it there's hardly any games. The ones they have are good mind, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are modern classics and there's some very nice looking games coming up, but the controls aren't a reason to be put off. I just see it as what needs to be done to play the game.

My initial stance was that I thought the WiiMote was a mistake, a statement which I still stand by (I have to wonder exactly how many broken televisions, windows and other household items the WiiMote is responsible for). I went on to express my distaste for the Wii in general. A personal prefernce, and nothing I've seen from it's consumers or developers has yet to convince me otherwise.

Motion Controls are unnessecary and tend to have control issues. Again, skip the 3D and motion controls, let's get the Neural Interface Unit going. Peripheial seem to appeal to a lot of people, but I'll just keep my money, thank you.

WiiSports games are games in the way that Curling is a sport. Somebody took the time and effort to develop it, people play it, there's a fanbase for it. Call it a "Niche Game" if you will. They vary pretty widely from what was commonly accepted as a videogame for a number of years. Sports sims confuse me, honestly. You can sit around on your couch and pretend to play tennis. Or you can go get a few mates and go play tennis. Comparing that to telling FPS players to go buy a real gun or join the military and shoot people is outlandish and irresponsible.

That is your view and you are of course entitled to it. I'm not going to try and change your mind either since that's just pointless on the internet. What I want to ask you though is if you actually play any sports games? I mean, do you play Fifa? Pro Evo? Madden? What about the old track and field button mashers that wrecked hands and controllers?

I mean, your argument of "stop pretending and go do"... isn't that a little... hypocritical? I mean isn't that what all gaming is? Pretend escapism in which you do things you can't normally do? I agree that telling people who play FPS games to go join the army and shoot real guns is a stupid argument, but telling people to stop playing pretend tennis and go play real tennis is just as stupid. I can hit good shots in the golf part of Wii Sports, and I can do ok in Guitar Hero, but I've never played real Golf before and I suck at playing a real guitar. Why should I go out and try to do these things for real if I have more fun doing them with friends on a console?

 

[Roganzar]

Yes hardcore gamers want this overpriced camera. That my fine escapists is the perfect example of sarcasm.
This thing if it lasts any length of time will just end up leading to whole new dimensions of Xbox Live cybersex. Let that sink in folks. You know it will happen.

 

[AlbedoAtoned]

The Wii couldn't have a game without tacked on controls. It's so bad that games get flamed if they lack motion controls. The controls are never that good, the wiimote's sensor sucks, the wii lacks serious games (not talking about mature as most mature games a blood and nothing more) that make me want to continue. The Wii is so adamant about making me stand up I put the wii sensor below the tv even though the setting is for above the tv which means I can sit down while I am selecting a channel. VC games are just Roms with emulators, but rather than making an emulator for the wii and playing vc games from there to save space, they package the emulator into the rom itself so that every vc game you get you get the emulator for each one increasing the file size to around four times what it normally would have been. Homebrew hackers tried to make the wii more stable because they said the wii's boot code was so buggy. Nintendo tried to circumvent their goodwill by updating and many people, even those who didn't have homebrew channel, had their wii's bricked. The Wii plays gamecube games and it plays older games either through vc or through emulators on homebrew channel. To me that is why it has made a large amount of money. Those who keep it keep it for those reasons and the few good wii games. Those who don't, well those don't figure into the amount of money the wii makes. If Microsoft is planning on following Nintendo's success, then they should be ready to follow their failure since their crutch is already out. People will have no further incentive to buy something they already have or do not want.

If you Really want to know if Kinect will be good, ask yourself these five questions.

1. Do you like the Wii?
2. Do you enjoy motion controls?
3. Do you enjoy endless heaps of shovelware?
4. Are you a hardcore gamer?
5. Can a game be hardcore if it uses motion controls?

1. Yep.
2. Yep.
3. No, that's why I didn't get a PS2
4. Yep.
5. Yep.

Now, how does that tell me if the Kinect will be good?

You missed out on some last gen's best titles. And I was still a staunch Ninty Fanboy, but I had to get a Ps2 (too many good games). Maybe we consider different things Shovelware. Here is my checklist.

1 First what genre is it? Most sports titles are in actuality Shovelware. How many tennis games do we need? Also most movie games are Shovelware because they get so rushed and suck (why they don't just take their time I don't even know). Also Party games tend to be very generic
2 How do they control? Shovelware tends to play very badly such as Movie games.
3 What is it's presentation like? A game with a terrible presentation is usually Shovelware.
4 How long will it be fun? Shovelware may seem fun at first, but quickly become tedious or boring.
5 Does it seemed rushed? Shovelware almost always feels rushed to me.

To me there were plenty of great titles for the Ps2 to warrant it's purchase, many of which are some of my favorite games FFX, Xenosaga 1,2,3, Jak 1,2,3 Dragon Quest VIII.

 

[starwarsgeek]

'Kay, now that THAT'S out of the way, let me just say that I'm seriously tired of these Wii bashing sessions. Let's address this a piece at a time. People complain about how "Nintendo isn't selling to it's hardcore audience." I rebuttal to that with the following statement:

"What hardcore audience?"

Who? Us REAL gamers with our FPS's and RPG's, people who have been playing those type of games since the early days of PC gaming? When has Nintendo WITHOUT THIRD PARTY SUPPORT ever made any of those type of games? Maybe like a couple RPG's, but were they ever what you consider "hardcore"? This is shit Nintendo has NEVER been a part of.

Oh wait! What about Mario? And Zelda? Those are the "hardcore" Nintendo titles! Well, guess what, people. Just because you've been ignoring 5 years of Nintendo releases doesn't mean they don't fucking exist. There's been a Mario game out every fucking year, both on Wii and the DS. And you're telling me that you didn't notice those two little Zelda hits on the DS? Oh! But they're CELL-SHADED! *GASP* A video game sin! And they're from The Windwaker, clearly the black sheep of the Zelda family. NONE of you can tell me that you didn't play Windwaker through 'til then end and say that it was shitty.

Point is, my lovelies, Nintendo has never been "hardcore". Whatever you define as "hardcore" (cause it always seems to change meaning every time I hear it) Nintendo is beyond it. Every time I come on here, I hear nerd-rage about how all those evil governors and parents say video games are bad. It pisses me off as well, but you know what? They can't touch Nintendo. They've got a squeaky clean track record, nothing to ***** about unless you ***** for bitching's sake. How many Wii's are in people's homes around the world? How many DS's have quadrupled any of the sales of any other video gaming console? All those people, all those "horrible" casual gamers that you hate with a passion. They're getting introduced to gaming. They're normal everyday people, never picked up a game in their life and over-all neutral to the whole "video games debate". Well, now they've been playing some video games. You really want to turn them away? Do you honestly want to refuse that kind of support?

Anyway, now that the Nintendo rage is out of the way, let me just say, Microsoft screwed this one. This isn't going to work. Nintendo's been doing this job for over 25 years. It KNOWS how to play this game, and you only just read the rule book. Do what you do best, and let Nintendo do what it does best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TylvUGJIi_w

 

[darkonnis]

ofc its going to be the core players who get it, because we'll be the only ones who dare to try and justify to ourselves spending over a £100 on something when any normal casual player will think... so its like the Wii BUT?