Has WoW met its potential match?
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Actually many people will be starting from square one with the new expansion, since the starting zones are being rebuilt this expansion lots of players will be experiencing a lot of new content for the first time.Lancer723 said:
That's what they said about the last six dozen games that were released...Kurokasumi said:
True, but that's what *they* said. I personally never thought it would happen. This is the first time I actually think WoW might take a dive.Kagim said:
All i am saying is don't hold your breath.Kurokasumi said:
Star wars Galaxies pre-cocking it up(Otherwise known as NGE) was not only star wars, but incredibly unique, fun, and to this day un-emulated in its innovative design of an MMO.
And she got put down. It was nothing like WoW, and she was killed on me. I just don't see anything beating WoW or hurting its population in any permanent way.
Maybe I am bitter. But the way i see this happening is the same thing with Warhammer and Star Trek and LotR. Three Incredibly popular IP's, IP's that were about a thousand times more popular then WoW at its release, that failed to even cough at it threateningly.
That's not to say ToR will not be popular, that's very very likely to happen. Just i don't see millions of people leaving WoW like people are doom saying.
Absolutely and I think its a good thing for WoW, (although 2 out of 3 of the PCs wow has been played on in my house will not be able to handle WoW post cataclysm.) But consider Blizzards turn around time on expansions (which I actually applaud blizzard for) They rebuild the game now, and say this time next year if the conventions TOR adds to the MMO world are starting to stick, do you think Blizzard is going to be inclined to rebuild their world yet again, just to add in something like a cut scene engine or a dialogue matrix? If anything that effort will likely go toward a new MMO project all together.Kagim said:
As for the people who think ToR is just going to be another corpse on the pile in WoWs wake. Sorry, no. Its driven by a company who has a created a niche market, and fueled by two semi linked fanbases, both of which are quite rabid in their own rights. The only thing that will keep ToR from taking over WoWs spot is the fact that it will not appeal to the asian markets the same way WoW has. I see WoW as remaining where they are for a few years to come, but I see ToR overtaking WoW in ENG markets relatively quickly.
And Lets be honest on 2 facts. One blizzard fudges the hell out of their sub numbers. two, WoW Isnt the largest MMO out there.
This is what I'm loving about the escapist so far... being able to have conversations with people about things as popular as WoW and not have simple comebacks as 'Lol no f*** u WoW 4evr' I salute you sir.Kagim said:
But on topic, I am not holding my breath in the least, and I could care less if WoW fell or stays right where it is. All I care about is whether or not I will have with ToR and GW2. I just hope they live up to their reputation.
It's just like the console wars for me, I don't give a shit who comes out on top as long as I enjoy the one I choose to play.
Oh, i know ToR has a good chance to be popular, but I am not going to say much about it until i see it for myself. However like the few others like my My Galaxies wounds are still there. So i am inclined to be bitter about it.viranimus said:
Now, about cutscenes and cinematics, here is where your clunking.
The majority of WoW players don't like that. The big, massive groups. The throng of the players? They hit accept without reading the quest and used Quest helper to micro manage there way through the game. The majority of the WoW fan base doesn't WANT dialogue matrix's. The majority don't WANT cutscenes. I have seen guilds that say straight out "IF you don't skip the Arthas death cutscene you are disqualified from all loot."
Stuff like that? The WoW players don't want. Have no desire for.
ToR is a single player game at heart, that's what I am getting from most of the stuff i heard.
I mean, look at FFXI. It had dialogue options and cutscenes. It didn't make a lick of difference. Cutscenes in an MMO are nothing new.
Once again, we have to wait till the end results. However i feel we are far from Blizzards 'end of days' and i don't see them existing for only 2 or three more years. Nor do i think ToR will just fall to oblivion, there will be people who want to play it. However I'm not going to make some random guess at numbers, and if a lot of the things people are heralding as nails in WoW's coffin are true, i see them more as things that will drive players away.
Cut scenes and Dialogue just slows down a WoW players exp to time ratio, and they wouldn't like it.
Edit:... I'm sorry if any of that sounds aggressive... it really isn't meant to be....
No. Just no. WOW is much too big of a monolith. Watch Extra Credits if you want it explained better for you.
I agree.Wolfram01 said:
Wasnt so long ago people were getting huge boners over the Star Trek MMO, which if the last time I played it is anything to go by, is dead. (And still as laggy as hell)
(a couple of months ago)
WoW has a subscription base of over 6 million, and you have to figure a large percentage of that have at least one maxxed out character, all set for the new expansion.
I seriously doubt any new MMO has the clout to sell 6 million units, even Star Wars.
WoW has built its base over a 5 year period with quality expansions and content.
It is going to take Blizzard dropping the ball and a competitor to be good enough and dedicated enough to build the subscriber base over a similar period of time to even get close to achieving what Blizzard has with WoW.
I doubt it will kill World of Warcraft. For every MMO that comes out now, there's always at least one person predicting it will spell the end for World of Warcraft. I'm not saying Knights of the Old Republic won't be popular, I just doubt this will really affect World of Warcraft. As long as more expansion packs are made for World of Warcraft, it will still be popular.
I can see it doing well, but I doubt it'll hurt it too bad. Star Trek has a huge following and the MMO hasn't done too well. Now, Star Wars is being made by Bioware, so they also have that, but Blizzard has that new expansion...y'enno, it's tough to say, it'll be real interesting to see, and if it does, to see how Blizzard fights back. I'm gonna say it won't effect them, though.
World of Warcraft isn't going to be dethroned. And I don't mean "not for a long time," I mean, it may very well reign over all MMO's for decades to come.
The key is this: there are too many people who have invested too much time and money into WoW to stop playing. Oh, they might cancel their account for a few months, or grow up, get married, and have kids...but they'll be back. And they'll bring their wife, and their kids, and their dog if they can figure out how. As long as Blizzard keeps producing new, quality content and making the game a little bit better and a little bit prettier as time goes on, World of Wacraft will never die.
Search your feelings. You know this to be true.
The key is this: there are too many people who have invested too much time and money into WoW to stop playing. Oh, they might cancel their account for a few months, or grow up, get married, and have kids...but they'll be back. And they'll bring their wife, and their kids, and their dog if they can figure out how. As long as Blizzard keeps producing new, quality content and making the game a little bit better and a little bit prettier as time goes on, World of Wacraft will never die.
Search your feelings. You know this to be true.