Hate.

[zHellas]

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.

OT:

We all hate something.

Like I hate that shitty "skater" haircut(Justin Bieber has it). I consider anyone who has that haircut to instantly be a douchebag.

 

[derelict]

I only really hate 2 things anymore.

Stupidity. People who are willfully ignorant.

And going off that, Religion.

Nothing imo, is worse for humanity. Religion and superstition.
FUCKING hate it.

Some people would say that religious comment is ignorant.

How so?

Mostly because it assumes all religious people....ALL of them, not just 'God's Country' folk, are stupid, which assumes blame on religion as a whole. Nothing is wrong with believing in...well, anything you want to believe in. The problems come from when you use it as a crutch in your life, or a panacea explanation machine.

I personally hate assumption, ignorance, popularity. Though, I could argue all 3 start in the same place: "This is X because Y said so" sums it up rather well. It's like the master key to stupidity

 

[TeeBs]

I only really hate 2 things anymore.

Stupidity. People who are willfully ignorant.

And going off that, Religion.

Nothing imo, is worse for humanity. Religion and superstition.
FUCKING hate it.

Some people would say that religious comment is ignorant.

How so?

"This coming from an agnostic"

There are religious figures and followers who are no different from the common atheist and agnostic, they support scientific advancement and human rights that contradict there teachings such as Gay Marriage and Stem Cell research and even quote there religious text books in doing so. Some scientist would even say that without religion the building blocks of society would have never of even happened, and you would be having rape for dinner right now. Many of the early scientific studies were conducted under the support of religion, Hell even music in written and playable form started because of religion, many famous artist are only famous because they painted for the Vatican. For every evil you can come up with theres probably a thousand small good things that come about because of religion. Who cares if you think they are wrong in choosing a god who has no scientific bases. In my opinion if they don't force there belief on people there not ignorant. Although I don't have a statistic most christians I know, and most religious people I know don't care who or what I am. There are crazy people in all walks of life. Stalin was an atheist and he killed more people then Hitler all in the name of SCIENCE. (ok it was in the name of power, but it was so he could create the U.S.S.R. as an industrial nation).

TL;DR: Religion created Society, Values, Music and Art.

So from a non religious person you get: the creation of Society, Art, Music and

 

[MakerOfRoads]

I only really hate 2 things anymore.

Stupidity. People who are willfully ignorant.

And going off that, Religion.

Nothing imo, is worse for humanity. Religion and superstition.
FUCKING hate it.

Some people would say that religious comment is ignorant.

How so?

You have nothing to base your opinion off, since you haven't lived in a world without religion or superstition. So you actually have no way of knowing if the world would be better off.

Therefore, you made a very ignorant comment.

Whether it was willful or not, is debatable.

I do have something to base my opinion off of.
And I said nothing about the world being better off.
I know the world has pretty much never been without the taint of religion, as is evident by the fact every sect of humanity has some form of superstition, that ill give to you.

But, the effects of religion have been far reaching and terrible. And the effects are still apparent today. Personally, i believe they outweigh the benefits.

One of the easiest, biggest, and easily relatable incidents if the massive technological gap cause by the dark ages.

You tell me. Is many thousands of people wallowing in misery, poverty, and dying of deseases and conditions that can be remedied as easily as WASHING YOURSELF, good? Did that make the world better off? What about the witch hysteria that went on after that? Is burning innocent people to death because they were women, did that make the world a better place?

 

[TeeBs]

I hate Hitler, I hate everything Hitler did, and that among many reasons is a deterrent of me killing jews.

Im all for lovey doby world peace, but its not like I am going to pretend that I am going to try to phase out a natural human emotion.

Sure, take the easy way out. Someone you never knew who is already globally despised. He only deters you from killing jews? Not, lets say, any sort of genocide? Hate is unnecessary. Anger is natural and you can't help feelings of disgust or outrage. But hate (what I would define as an intense anger plus obsession) is pointless. I'm sure you don't spend all day thinking about your hatred of Hitler, so do you really hate him?

Sorry, as a side note, Hitler is a seriously over used excuse/insult and he wasn't even the worst of the homicidal maniacs that have been around in the last 100 years. But that really isn't here nor there.

Yes it is overused which also means it is understood more universally that he is EVIL. Thats not even the point I was trying to make though. There is a positive form of hate and that is a hate that motivates you to be good. Just because I simplified it doesn't mean I don't understand it on a more complicated scale.

 

[Something Amyss]

"if you have the capacity to hate, then you most certainly have the awareness to forgive." That's always stuck with me.

Trite.

Unfortunately, hate is a very base, instinctual response and forgiveness is, well, not.

It's awesome if you're writing a Hallmark card. Not so much for the real world.

 

[Biosophilogical]

I only really hate 2 things anymore.

Stupidity. People who are willfully ignorant.

And going off that, Religion.

Nothing imo, is worse for humanity. Religion and superstition.
FUCKING hate it.

Some people would say that religious comment is ignorant.

How so?

You have nothing to base your opinion off, since you haven't lived in a world without religion or superstition. So you actually have no way of knowing if the world would be better off.

Therefore, you made a very ignorant comment.

Whether it was willful or not, is debatable.

Yet at the same time it could be what I think is called an a priori synthetic argument (I'm not exactly sure, I'm still trying to get my head firmly around the actual meaning). Basically one could deduce that, given the human capacity to give personal meaning and ambition to their lives (see: most atheists I know) as the initial knowledge, one could rationalise that having a short-cut, and presumably false, answer to the questions posed by nature, life and existence (the where, why and how) would not only limit the potential of humanity for reason, science, philosophy and altruism but also deprive the religious individuals of a more free and fulfilling existence (as meaning given to your own life by your own values is more personal than one given to you by someone else, as the former is a passion, a drive, while the latter is more of a job or a task).

So, depending on how much you value science, reason, freedom, meaning and empathy that isn't fuelled by fear of divine retribution you could easily argue through logical conclusions that religion is and was harmful to humanity.

EDIT:

"if you have the capacity to hate, then you most certainly have the awareness to forgive." That's always stuck with me.

Trite.

Unfortunately, hate is a very base, instinctual response and forgiveness is, well, not.

It's awesome if you're writing a Hallmark card. Not so much for the real world.

But that's the thing, humans are so heavily dependent on the nurture aspect of their lives that we are entirely capable of forgiving as easily as we are of hating, provided our upbringing allows us too.

 

[Exile714]

I hate Hitler, I hate everything Hitler did, and that among many reasons is a deterrent of me killing jews.

Im all for lovey doby world peace, but its not like I am going to pretend that I am going to try to phase out a natural human emotion.

This is an incredibly stupid and shallow thing to say. On one level, you shouldn't hate that Hitler failed. What he did in mismanaging certain aspects of WWII allowed the Allies to win, so hating his failures is wrong.

On a deeper level, you have to realize that not everything Hitler did was related to genocide and world domination. It was the majority of what he is remembered for, but he did other things. He increased food production, brought his country out of a crippling depression, made the industrial machine run again. The world could use more people who can manage the economy as well as Hitler did. To hate that aspect of his work is illogical.

You can hate specific things that Hitler did. You can hate genocide. I doubt you do. If you hate something, you must be willing to fight against it. Have you been to Darfur, Afghanistan, China, Yugoslavia... any of these? If you hate genocide, why aren't you doing something about it? Complaining isn't enough if you hate something. Donating money to an aid organization isn't enough either. Hate is the strongest negative emotion, the limit as emotion approaches infinity. Most people have never experienced hate, only a strong dislike or a simple moral aversion.

Hate can be good. If one hates something evil, then evil can be undone. If one merely dislikes something evil, but is unwilling to act upon that emotion, evil will endure. Evil can also be undone if it threatens something loved, and stopping evil is the only way to prevent harm to that which someone loves. If one hates something good, then hate is bad. If one hates something that is neither good nor evil, then perhaps hate is neither good nor evil. Hate is simply an emotion, and like all emotion it can lead to action. Actions can be good or evil, emotion cannot. Emotion without action is nothing.

I've never hated, I have loved. I am willing to protect what I love, but I have never been driven to act by hate. If I am, I will embrace it, and be thankful that I have something evil enough to justify actual hatred. Needless to say, since I cannot condone wholesale hatred of Hitler, I do not expect to hate anything which exists on Earth.

 

[MakerOfRoads]

"This coming from an agnostic"

There are religious figures and followers who are no different from the common atheist and agnostic, they support scientific advancement and human rights that contradict there teachings such as Gay Marriage and Stem Cell research and even quote there religious text books in doing so. Some scientist would even say that without religion the building blocks of society would have never of even happened, and you would be having rape for dinner right now. Many of the early scientific studies were conducted under the support of religion, Hell even music in written and playable form started because of religion, many famous artist are only famous because they painted for the Vatican. For every evil you can come up with theres probably a thousand small good things that come about because of religion. Who cares if you think they are wrong in choosing a god who has no scientific bases. In my opinion if they don't force there belief on people there not ignorant. Although I don't have a statistic most christians I know, and most religious people I know don't care who or what I am. There are crazy people in all walks of life. Stalin was an atheist and he killed more people then Hitler all in the name of SCIENCE. (ok it was in the name of power, but it was so he could create the U.S.S.R. as an industrial nation).

TL;DR: Religion created Society, Values, Music and Art.

So from a non religious person you get: the creation of Society, Art, Music and

I would contend that these things come about anyway. Sure they wouldnt necessarily be in the form we know today, but then again, a world without religion is a totally alien place.
And I would also contend that religion didn't create society. Religion is a leech the size of a mac truck stuck to the neck of society. Wherever you go, there will be bands of people. Humans automatically form these niches of society just by being around each other. I think its just portrayed that way because religions got its teeth sunk in soo far it looks like it belongs there.

My opinion about religion is this.
At its best, its a musing little "pillow" that we keep with us to pad the sharp edges that are abundant in the universe.
At its worst, its a tool people use to control huge masses of people, bend them to their will and if need be, whip them into a frenzied mass that is utterly loyal.

You may argue for the many small benefits religion has on society, and thats great, shows you as an agnostic are interested in something other than your personal beliefs. But small acts of kindness dont make up for the kind of mental pain, shame, grief, torture, mass murder, inflicted poverty and unneeded sickness and desease that religion has not only allowed to happen, but enforced, sometimes with death.

Its a vile institution, and goes against the advancement of Humans as a whole.

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

I do not have sufficient capacity to care about something enough to hate.

 

[Leg End]

I have... no real hatred for most...

But then again, I am next to emotionless, with only Sakura being able to bring me emotion.

Hate, a waste of time.

I hate no one without substantial reason.

Yet most would hate me for what I am. Humans hate me more than Hitler himself. Without hearing my side of the story.

Heh, makes you wonder.

 

[TeeBs]

I hate Hitler, I hate everything Hitler did, and that among many reasons is a deterrent of me killing jews.

Im all for lovey doby world peace, but its not like I am going to pretend that I am going to try to phase out a natural human emotion.

This is an incredibly stupid and shallow thing to say. On one level, you shouldn't hate that Hitler failed. What he did in mismanaging certain aspects of WWII allowed the Allies to win, so hating his failures is wrong.

On a deeper level, you have to realize that not everything Hitler did was related to genocide and world domination. It was the majority of what he is remembered for, but he did other things. He increased food production, brought his country out of a crippling depression, made the industrial machine run again. The world could use more people who can manage the economy as well as Hitler did. To hate that aspect of his work is illogical.

You can hate specific things that Hitler did. You can hate genocide. I doubt you do. If you hate something, you must be willing to fight against it. Have you been to Darfur, Afghanistan, China, Yugoslavia... any of these? If you hate genocide, why aren't you doing something about it? Complaining isn't enough if you hate something. Donating money to an aid organization isn't enough either. Hate is the strongest negative emotion, the limit as emotion approaches infinity. Most people have never experienced hate, only a strong dislike or a simple moral aversion.

Hate can be good. If one hates something evil, then evil can be undone. If one merely dislikes something evil, but is unwilling to act upon that emotion, evil will endure. Evil can also be undone if it threatens something loved, and stopping evil is the only way to prevent harm to that which someone loves. If one hates something good, then hate is bad. If one hates something that is neither good nor evil, then perhaps hate is neither good nor evil. Hate is simply an emotion, and like all emotion it can lead to action. Actions can be good or evil, emotion cannot. Emotion without action is nothing.

I've never hated, I have loved. I am willing to protect what I love, but I have never been driven to act by hate. If I am, I will embrace it, and be thankful that I have something evil enough to justify actual hatred. Needless to say, since I cannot condone wholesale hatred of Hitler, I do not expect to hate anything which exists on Earth.

God I need to stop simplifying what I mean. We can argue the level of which hate would make you act, and although I donate to programs that benefit all of those places and support any legislations that attempt to remedy the situations and once I reach the age I plan to join the peace corps. Yes I hate genocide in all of its forms, and you have no right to think for me and tell me I don't. Don't just start spouting that "Hate is immeasurable and there for you haven't felt it" because that is just some philosophy which is always arguable, and never a known. I have the inability to act at this point but that doesn't mean I don't have the ability to feel.

Y

 

[Lullabye]

Personally, I don't think its worth the effort to try and stifle a major part of our personalities.
But you know, whatever floats your boat.

 

[TeeBs]

I hate Hitler, I hate everything Hitler did, and that among many reasons is a deterrent of me killing jews.

You hate all the hospitals he had built? All jobs he created to boost the economy of Germany? Hitler brought in laws and reforms that changed the face of the entire nation. If it wasn't for him, Germany would most likely have fallen into one of the worst depressions in history.

So, you hate everything he did, huh? How sad.

I think I should go back and edit this. What I stated was a simplification of what I meant in the fact that hatred could be used as a motivation. Yes it was a over simplification and I could have brought up that he also started the first anti smoking campaign, but that was irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

[TeeBs]

"This coming from an agnostic"

There are religious figures and followers who are no different from the common atheist and agnostic, they support scientific advancement and human rights that contradict there teachings such as Gay Marriage and Stem Cell research and even quote there religious text books in doing so. Some scientist would even say that without religion the building blocks of society would have never of even happened, and you would be having rape for dinner right now. Many of the early scientific studies were conducted under the support of religion, Hell even music in written and playable form started because of religion, many famous artist are only famous because they painted for the Vatican. For every evil you can come up with theres probably a thousand small good things that come about because of religion. Who cares if you think they are wrong in choosing a god who has no scientific bases. In my opinion if they don't force there belief on people there not ignorant. Although I don't have a statistic most christians I know, and most religious people I know don't care who or what I am. There are crazy people in all walks of life. Stalin was an atheist and he killed more people then Hitler all in the name of SCIENCE. (ok it was in the name of power, but it was so he could create the U.S.S.R. as an industrial nation).

TL;DR: Religion created Society, Values, Music and Art.

So from a non religious person you get: the creation of Society, Art, Music and

I would contend that these things come about anyway. Sure they wouldnt necessarily be in the form we know today, but then again, a world without religion is a totally alien place.
And I would also contend that religion didn't create society. Religion is a leech the size of a mac truck stuck to the neck of society. Wherever you go, there will be bands of people. Humans automatically form these niches of society just by being around each other. I think its just portrayed that way because religions got its teeth sunk in soo far it looks like it belongs there.

My opinion about religion is this.
At its best, its a musing little "pillow" that we keep with us to pad the sharp edges that are abundant in the universe.
At its worst, its a tool people use to control huge masses of people, bend them to their will and if need be, whip them into a frenzied mass that is utterly loyal.

You may argue for the many small benefits religion has on society, and thats great, shows you as an agnostic are interested in something other than your personal beliefs. But small acts of kindness dont make up for the kind of mental pain, shame, grief, torture, mass murder, inflicted poverty and unneeded sickness and desease that religion has not only allowed to happen, but enforced, sometimes with death.

Its a vile institution, and goes against the advancement of Humans as a whole.

We can try to weigh the good and the bad all day. All I am trying to get across is that religion and ignorance are not synonyms of each other. Which seems like really reasonable terms.

 

[MakerOfRoads]

No it certainly did not.

My point was only that the guy who quoted you first, may think your statement was ignorant, because there is zero way of knowing if the alternative is any better.

I never said I disagreed with you. Even though I do, but that's not what we are arguing about.

Even that, the statement isn't ignorant. While yes, religion has never not been here, looking at religion and weighing the pros and cons as a whole and coming to the conclusion that its not only unnecessary but needs to be removed isn't something I just came to one day cause the pope's hat looks funny.

This subject is pretty close to my heart, like I said the only thing that I actually hate so, I apologize in advance if I offend (I say that because its likely to happen I'm sure).

 

[Kortney]

I don't "hate" anyone. People saying they hate historical figures always confused me. I feel no emotion towards Hitler at all. I didn't know the guy. Do I support what he did? Of course not. Not in the slightest. I view him as a historical figure and refrain from judging him on a personal level.

I hate Hitler, I hate everything Hitler did, and that among many reasons is a deterrent of me killing jews.

Im all for lovey doby world peace, but its not like I am going to pretend that I am going to try to phase out a natural human emotion.

Do you hate his art?

didn't get accepted to school, but he wasn't without talent
/missing the point


Hates an intregal part of our personalities, we shouldn't delve too deep into it, (and be haters [a term I loath]) but we shouldn't totally deny it.

I am not impressed.

That is a beautiful painting.