Hate.

[TeeBs]

\Ignorance: the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.

Given all the knowledge that we know is factual, most of which Christians learned about in science such as evolution. They just choose to believe something different, but they have the knowledge of the other possibility. That is why they call it a leap of faith.

They just CHOOSE to believe in something different, yes. They CHOOSE to believe something thats based, that was created purely from, faith.

That sounds like willful ignorance to me.

And whos to say there wrong. It is completely possible that god put the dinosaurs there and god put dinosaurs in the ground to test our faith. I don't beleive that's true but some people were raised to think that and to them that is factual, that is real science. Not very likely science, but not disprovable science. Since everything we do not know can be filled with this god and until we are omnipotent creatures. Every ones going to be have different beliefs than someone else.

 

[joebthegreat]

I'd like to just say I like to believe that we can all be without hate, but then there are some things that happen. Some actions, that just deserve some form of punishment. Some form of scorn.

Hate the action, not the actor... but be tough on that actor, because unless you are you assist in the action...

or something like that. I don't know. I'm a very cynical bitter person but I still don't want to hate people.

 

[Zaik]

That's pretty much how it is.

What it is is irrelevant, since everyone has their own opinion on it and arguing over it is a much bigger waste of energy than hating anything is.

Hate is just hate. Use it or don't. It's a great motivator.

 

[MakerOfRoads]

Actually the Dark Ages was caused by the fall of the Roman Empire due to barbarian invasions and internal conflict. It was the church which took the knowledge from the ashes and preserved it, kinda like the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout. Alas just like the Brotherhood of Steel they were very slow at sharing their knowledge.Many of our early intellectuals were monks and nuns or were in the churches favour. Copernicus for instance whilst not a monk worked very closely with his uncle who was a bishop, his uncle also secured his educatiuon. Galileo as well was a personal friend of the Pope at the time who agreed with all of the mans teachings. Alas the cardinals who were greedy for power felt their power would be undermined by Galileo and the Pope if the intelectual continued his work! Alas that's human nature for you.

The act of washing was taken very seriously by the church. Afterall did not Christ bathe? Most of the superstitions regarding to washing were based upon traditional pagan myths.

As for witchburning...yeah you got me there. The only thing that I can say about that is during the course of history the church realised people were going overboard and started educating their inquisitors in the art of Law.

True, the original cause of the Dark Ages was caused by the fall of the Romans. And Im confident that your also correct in saying that at least a portion of the knowledge retained throughout was because of the church.

The problem was with the fact that the church policed information. People were put to death FOR IDEAS. They branded it Heresy, but thats what it was.
The church held back human advancement with threats of death, as well as the cultivation of a culture that was solidly anti-science.

Eratosthenes very accurately measured the circumference of the world 240 years BC, Hell Aristarchus had the heliocentric idea first before Eratosthenes was even born, and 1600 years later people are being put to death because they have evidence that says the church may be up to no good?
Come on...

 

[Hyrist]

\Ignorance: the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.

Given all the knowledge that we know is factual, most of which Christians learned about in science such as evolution. They just choose to believe something different, but they have the knowledge of the other possibility. That is why they call it a leap of faith.

They just CHOOSE to believe in something different, yes. They CHOOSE to believe something thats based, that was created purely from, faith.

That sounds like willful ignorance to me.

And whos to say there wrong. It is completely possible that god put the dinosaurs there and god put dinosaurs in the ground to test our faith. I don't beleive that's true but some people were raised to think that and to them that is factual, that is real science. Not very likely science, but not disprovable science. Since everything we do not know can be filled with this god and until we are omnipotent creatures. Every ones going to be have different beliefs than someone else.

However, that's fine only to a very limited extent.

The issue in the difference between respectful belief or 'faith' and that of a raving lunatic is the acknowledgment of one simple fact.

They don't 'know'.

No matter how strong a conviction is, the profound lack of absolute proof of any one particular deity or universal being is valid reason to doubt, whatever the dogma of that said religion may say. To look down upon those who do analyze the physical evidence and try to make reasoning based on the things they can actually verify is folly. No matter how strong your faith there should always be room to acknowledge the possibility, no matter how feint, that what you believe in may be wrong. That is the difference between belief and bigotry.

I can't say I don't hate. But I can say cleanly that I don't hate people. What I hate are principles. Among them are: willful ignorance and insolence, bigotry, abuse of power and authority, hypocrisy, gross exaggeration (especially in reactions) and betrayal of trust.

These things I hate within all the severity of the word. It makes my blood boil, I get unnecessarily upset under these occurrences if I'm involved in the context. And although I'm not ashamed of it, I do try to keep it in check, because often enough, as the OP says, it's not worth the effort expended.

 

[zombiestrangler]

Meh. I am pretty much incapable of holding a grudge because after, like half an hour, I stop caring. So... Acceptance and forgiveness through apathy.

 

[MakerOfRoads]

And whos to say there wrong. It is completely possible that god put the dinosaurs there and god put dinosaurs in the ground to test our faith. I don't beleive that's true but some people were raised to think that and to them that is factual, that is real science. Not very likely science, but not disprovable science. Since everything we do not know can be filled with this god and until we are omnipotent creatures. Every ones going to be have different beliefs than someone else.

Archaeology says their wrong. The entire field of Biology says their wrong. Geology too.
But, alas, you are correct. No matter how many silver shotgun shells of logic you blast into the face of the religion werewolf, unless we know everything, we can't disprove it.

BUT, and this is a pretty big but,

Just because we can't disprove it, DOES NOT, give it any merit. I can't disprove the idea that unicorns live in my downstairs pantry. When i go there, they are gone, but they could have just as easily trotted off before I got there. Because something can't be disproven, doesnt alone make it a viable idea.

 

[archvile93]

"if you have the capacity to hate, then you most certainly have the awareness to forgive."

I never forgive; I question that quote.

OT: I hate things, and I will continue to hate them. I tend to hold onto it for a long time, though not without good reason.

 

[MakerOfRoads]

Want to know what I hate? People that are too ignorant to realize that it's people that kill people, not religion. Religion has never killed anyone, it's always people that choose to hurt people. Religion can be used to misguide people, but those people can't think in front of their own two eyes.

If religion suddenly disappeared, it would not lessen world suffering one bit. People would find other reasons to harm others, and other things to be misguided by.

I realize that it is human nature to want to dominate others. If by that domination some need to die, its a fairly reasonable assumption thats what is going to happen.

The problem comes in with society, and laws. How, if it goes against the good of the group, do you get away with having people killed? Hell, how do you subjugate those around you to make the domination easier?

Religion.

Its not religion that kills, yes. Its man. But man led by other men via religion.

And those people you think "can't think in front of their own two eyes", apparently make up a vast portion of the world. There are fundamentalists all over the world, and they've all pulled the wool firmly over their own eyes, content that their holy men have all the answers, and they don't need to worry about a thing.

 

[ultrachicken]

I've yet to actually hate anyone. Even Hitler, even Stalin. I am disgusted/pissed off by what people do, but I don't hate anybody.

I suspect that's because you don't have a whole lot of emotional investment in the kind of stuff they did. If Stalin/Hitler broke down your door and slaughtered your family as they (indirectly) did to others, you and I would both hate them with all our might.

Anyways, I've never really felt hate towards anyone, because I always end up seeing the situation from a perspective that puts them in the right, and me in the wrong, along with my initial perspective. I do dislike a lot of things, however.

 

[Kingsman]

From what I gather, people hate religion because it can be used to manipulate people into doing evil/stupid things.

I hereby declare by this design that all governments are now evil, as well as all organizations, companies, societies... hell, anything that has people doing stuff because other people are also doing it. Anyone who ever stood up to a dictatorship or totalitarian state and died for it, and drew other people to try and do the same, is evil for committing an obvious act of suicide and causing himself others to die in vain.

Giving people a moral compass by telling them something (regardless of its truth) is NOT evil. Twisting it to serve independent means is. Religion is only as evil as the people who preach/run it, and by that stretch, it CAN be a force for good.

If you people can't understand that, then I'm done talking to this congealed liberal mass of a forum.

 

[MakerOfRoads]

From what I gather, people hate religion because it can be used to manipulate people into doing evil/stupid things.

I hereby declare by this design that all governments are now evil, as well as all organizations, companies, societies... hell, anything that has people doing stuff because other people are also doing it. Anyone who ever stood up to a dictatorship or totalitarian state and died for it, and drew other people to try and do the same, is evil for committing an obvious act of suicide and causing himself others to die in vain.

Giving people a moral compass by telling them something (regardless of its truth) is NOT evil. Twisting it to serve independent means is. Religion is only as evil as the people who preach/run it, and by that stretch, it CAN be a force for good.

If you people can't understand that, then I'm done talking to this congealed liberal mass of a forum.

You have a point. And honestly, for the most part, the subjugation aspect of religion isn't the factor that I hate about religion.
Your right, governments around the world use patriotism and sometimes fear of the establishment to enact degrees and do things that are generally kinda shady
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And your also right about religion, in its cellular forms, it can be used for good.

But seriously here, mosts religions give power of a local area over to one man. That man serves a higher man, and so forth, until you have one final head honcho, in the example of the Catholic faith the pope.
Thats alot of power for one man to wield, by his decrees the lives, and supposed eternal souls, depend on what comes out of this guys lips.

I would argue that in the past, if 1 man is given that much power over soo much, misuse is abound. Twisting it is simple, as its human nature.

And as far as moral compass, I would argue that its from man that religion gets its morals, not the other way around. Man, as a social creature, needs to abide by rules to be able to form a viable group that can operate long enough to propagate itself. Say for example, the leader went on a killing spree from blood lust, that would directly harm his and his faction's ability to survive in the wilderness. There's nothing mystical about morals.

 

[astrav1]

I hate a lot of things, of course with that hatred comes a supreme love for my own life.

 

[MakerOfRoads]

First, it needs to be pointed out that often there are other ways of controlling people is religion.

Second, you're not wrong at all - religion is often used as a facade of sorts for an individual or group to dominate his subordinates and annihilate his enemies, but condemning everything about religion isn't the way to go about this. How do you? I don't know; but hating a thing like religion for this one reason isn't going to do anything but bring more hate in.

There are other ways to control people these days, alot of which are more effective.
How do you though, keep people from lying, cheating, stealing, killing, when you dont have the manpower to stop them with force?
Personally, I believe it was with religion this problem was addressed. You dont need to threaten people with force if they dont obey, if they feel that even if they get away, and nobody noticed their crime, it all comes out in the end, at judgement. Its people policing themselves due to threat of eternal suffering, not because they want to be good people.

I condemn religion because I dont think its religion thats the good here. I think its the people in the churches imbuing religion with themselves. If a good samaritan wants to give his time/money to a cause, they dont need religion for that. I would argue the small goods that religion does do are due to this, and not because religion is somehow inherently good.

I dont just want religion to be destroyed. I dont want to just mindlessly destroy the faith systems alot of people around the world base their lives on. I would just suggest that we move away from them, put them away in their rightful places, as relics from a past age. I do this because I want to help humanity as a whole, and I only see religion as a hindrance.

 

[bulbasaur765]

I hate lazy parents and I'll never forgive them. The only time I am not thinking about them is when I am distracting myself with video games or books.

 

[Kevonovitch]

I hate Hitler, I hate everything Hitler did, and that among many reasons is a deterrent of me killing jews.

Im all for lovey doby world peace, but its not like I am going to pretend that I am going to try to phase out a natural human emotion.

Do you hate his art?

didn't get accepted to school, but he wasn't without talent
/missing the point


Hates an intregal part of our personalities, we shouldn't delve too deep into it, (and be haters [a term I loath]) but we shouldn't totally deny it.

indeed. i hate, i don't discriminate and the op's quote is food for thought /me strokes beard.

but back to hitler XD (always wanted to say that in context.)
i love him, he's a genius, insane, massively homicidal and genocidal, but genius. sure he got rejected, what? twice from that one school? but yeah his art was amazing! and besides, he helped germany get back on it's feet, make the ONLY stable economy in the time of the great depression, unite his people togeather, which most counties now a days can't even do that w/o being forced to do so. even b4 hitler started his "final solution" into action, and b4 the war, thanks to him, germany stood on it's own 2 feet, and was king of the world on many a thing; economically, film, media (papers and propoganda and the like), music, art, leasure, even science and technology.

so yes teebs, hate him away, but unless you know there life and death, who are we to judge him? it's still obscured, always will be, but gotta admit, just as there are always things you hate about sometime, there's always something to admire about them. the only one that actually knows that personslife, is themselfs. (food for thought /me strokes beard some moar )