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Merf... I tried not to let myself get sucked into this... But oh well! First off, I'm a ******, so yeah. Bein' gay and stuff is -totally- okay with me. =P
I want to make a comment about all the marriage argument stuff going on here. I have a feeling most of those against it are in the States, so I'm going to argue for the States. There's this thing we have. You know, the whole 'separation of church and state' thing. Like it or not, but marriage is no longer -just- a religious thing. It's a federal thing as well. And -that's- why we want it. Most gay people don't give a care about the religious aspect, as most aren't religious. Which isn't shocking considering the treatment most receive... But, like I was saying; we want marriage because of the benefits it grants couples, and there's no reason, other than religious bigotry, to deny someone that.
Personally, I'm fine with the idea of civil unions instead of marriage, if only because I figure it'll work as a way to -eventually- get to marriage; when folks see that it won't end the world.
But yeah, just wanted to mention that, since I didn't see anyone else point it out... Granted, I may have missed it, but eh.
I want to make a comment about all the marriage argument stuff going on here. I have a feeling most of those against it are in the States, so I'm going to argue for the States. There's this thing we have. You know, the whole 'separation of church and state' thing. Like it or not, but marriage is no longer -just- a religious thing. It's a federal thing as well. And -that's- why we want it. Most gay people don't give a care about the religious aspect, as most aren't religious. Which isn't shocking considering the treatment most receive... But, like I was saying; we want marriage because of the benefits it grants couples, and there's no reason, other than religious bigotry, to deny someone that.
Personally, I'm fine with the idea of civil unions instead of marriage, if only because I figure it'll work as a way to -eventually- get to marriage; when folks see that it won't end the world.
But yeah, just wanted to mention that, since I didn't see anyone else point it out... Granted, I may have missed it, but eh.
There's another big push to outlaw divorce. After all, if the "sanctity of marriage" is so important, then divorce should be illegal! I'm tickled by this, though of course it could never happen.Jonabob87 said:
I just dont like the idea of MSM, I would personally never do it and dont feel comfortable with people who do, guess it makes me homophobic. However, I am not the sort to opress people because of what they do. You can be gay if you want, just as iam allowed to dislike it.
1. Gay marriage is still largely illegal and at best endlessly see-sawing in the US because of YOUR religion.Jonabob87 said:
2. You can't prove ownership of marriage. Therefore technically it isn't yours.
It doesn't really bother me, i'm all for equality. It sickens me when people are so homophobic though, they're just being really silly. I know a lot of people at my school who are like that.
It's the ones who are really camp who get on my nerves sometimes though, however that can be for heterosexuals too i guess.
It's the ones who are really camp who get on my nerves sometimes though, however that can be for heterosexuals too i guess.
It'd be nice if that were the case, would make people use their brains more before deciding to get married.rockyoumonkeys said:
Well actually it's because the second something becomes "legal" proprieters, let's say Priests or Ministers suddenly HAVE to do it, or they can lose their jobs. There's already cases in the UK of Christian registrars being fired/disciplined because they refuse to personally conduct a same sex marriage.
No one can claim "ownership" of it, but marriage ceremonies are mostly religious ones, am I wrong?
in my personal opinion i don't think we are born with a sexual orientation, i think our lives and our decisions are what guide us, i know this wont be completely approved of by everyone as an opinion but i really don't mean it in an offensive way, i was bought up to be prejudice and as soon as i was able to make my own decisions i tested the conviction of passed on beliefs, turned out some things are more fun than u might assume, pleasure is pleasure, why rule anything out u haven't tried assuming it causes no one any harm bar potentially yourself.
ot- there isnt a gay in the world that bothers me except the lesbian who stole my job but thats coz she is a prick rather than because she is a lesbian.
people have been getting gay for as long as human history has been recorded, seems a foolish things to posses prejudice over, besides i dont know why straight people dislike gays, every male should sponsor a gay man, if all straight men did this there would be a lot less competition when looking for a female, the only gay a straight man should have an issue with is lesbians who are also potentially a threat.
i think where little boys often grow up associating all the weaknesses of male. like crying and being emotional with gayness via helpful emotional abuse al la our dads there is sometimes a breaking point where rather than suppressing emotions as a proof of strength that "campness" is the embodiment of the end of repression and i think it can sometimes be so strong that a new disproportionate self is formed, i have known macho gays also who hate feminine men and see it as a betrayal of gender which is the very thing that works for them.
this maybe a bot ott in terms of a response but ive been awake for the best part of 3 days so enjoy my roving attempted explanation. : P
ot- there isnt a gay in the world that bothers me except the lesbian who stole my job but thats coz she is a prick rather than because she is a lesbian.
people have been getting gay for as long as human history has been recorded, seems a foolish things to posses prejudice over, besides i dont know why straight people dislike gays, every male should sponsor a gay man, if all straight men did this there would be a lot less competition when looking for a female, the only gay a straight man should have an issue with is lesbians who are also potentially a threat.
i think where little boys often grow up associating all the weaknesses of male. like crying and being emotional with gayness via helpful emotional abuse al la our dads there is sometimes a breaking point where rather than suppressing emotions as a proof of strength that "campness" is the embodiment of the end of repression and i think it can sometimes be so strong that a new disproportionate self is formed, i have known macho gays also who hate feminine men and see it as a betrayal of gender which is the very thing that works for them.
this maybe a bot ott in terms of a response but ive been awake for the best part of 3 days so enjoy my roving attempted explanation. : P
It's totally okay to feel that way. I am gay, and I do not mind that people don't want to hear what I do in bed. Also, a lot of people I know don't like it when a straight couple are eating eachother out in the streets.caselj01 said:
Just as long as you don't go spew around that what I do in bed makes me a "lesser" person, I respect peoples boundries.
I am in the escapist gay-mers so I think my view is obvious.
Myself, I'm not entirely sure. I don't really feel love in that way for anyone anymore.
Myself, I'm not entirely sure. I don't really feel love in that way for anyone anymore.
Well I'm gay myself, but it's very hard for people to notice it because it don't act like it. It's my own business who i like and I rather keep it that way, not saying I'm ashamed of it or anything but it's just on a need to know bases. Also I have been to the pro gay rallies before and they are fun to hang out and meet people, but there is this thing, like most of you know, that it's the "Hey I'm gay in your face" thing that I just really hate they do sometimes. If you want people to accept you as a group sure let them know your proud of who you are, but don't jump in thier faces about it every five seconds. People need time to adjust to different people and they can't do that when the community is in everyone's face about it, just annoys people and make them not wanna accept anything.
Someone's passionate about this topic? Fine, we'll go with your definition. I'm not a homophobe because I have no negative feelings towards homosexuals nor do I discriminate against them in any way. (Your definition, not mine).Zeithri said:
As for the act, I believe it is wrong and unnatural. But that in no way affects my feelings about the individuals that practice homosexuality. I also think that people with green hair aren't natural, but I don't harbor any bad feelings towards them either. But if you're dead set on labeling me fine. Call me a homophobe. I will more than gladly tell my friends (some of whom are gay) and make sure they act accordingly, shunning me for my ignorance and unwillingness to get with the times.
As someone whose had his flirtatious moments with members of the same sex, I'm totally okay with homosexuality. To each their own.