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How far should "It's my body, I can do what I want" go?
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Not a big problem in my book. This particular family sound like they aren't bringing anything useful to the world anyhow so one more of the little twats isn't going to make a difference.
Any healthy-minded person would know to avoid alcohol while pregnant.
Any healthy-minded person would know to avoid alcohol while pregnant.
if its your body snort coke do meth whatever as long as it doesn't hurt other people but if you're pregnant and share a body with your unborn child there needs to be restrictions especially if you're going to have the child and not abort, alternatively if the child has a defect of some sort caused by alcohol consumption or something along those lines and the mother puts the child up for adoption the mother should be forced to pay for everything that is required for a child like that to have a decent life.
My understanding is that if you are going to base an argument on the fact that it's your body, you should be the only one effected by it. What this woman is saying is illogical. It's not her body. True, she may be the one ingesting alcohol, but that doesn't make the fetus exempt from whatever ill effects present themselves when one takes in enough booze to physically incapacitate a person before birth.
Other than this sort of situation, where another being, be it born or not, is effected, my belief is that the statement "It's my body, I'll do whatever the hell I want." should be respected. Again, provided the person in question actually means what they say.
Other than this sort of situation, where another being, be it born or not, is effected, my belief is that the statement "It's my body, I'll do whatever the hell I want." should be respected. Again, provided the person in question actually means what they say.
As my social teacher once put it, "My right to a fist ends at your right to have a face."
It surprises me in this day and age, that there are still people so selfish in themselves that they are willing to risk not only their lives, but the life of an unborn child, because they want a moment of escape.
Yes, something like this should be illegal, but as other have said good luck enforcing it. The only thing that really could possibly be done is the child taking legal action against their mother eventually (I recall hearing cases of children taking legal action against parents like this after being born with birth defects from irreplaceable actions during pregnancy).
What really shocks me though, is Family members are supporting her in this. That truly just blows me away.
It surprises me in this day and age, that there are still people so selfish in themselves that they are willing to risk not only their lives, but the life of an unborn child, because they want a moment of escape.
Yes, something like this should be illegal, but as other have said good luck enforcing it. The only thing that really could possibly be done is the child taking legal action against their mother eventually (I recall hearing cases of children taking legal action against parents like this after being born with birth defects from irreplaceable actions during pregnancy).
What really shocks me though, is Family members are supporting her in this. That truly just blows me away.
Depends on weither or not you define the fetus as being an individual. If no, then she can do anything she likes short of illegal stuff (mostly) due to the first amendment and the general laws. If yes, then we have to define the boundary between what is appropriate in order to protect the baby and what we can't force anyone to do.
As for me, somebody strap her down and drag her to rehab before another baby is brought into this world having to permanently suffer for its mother's idiocy.
As for me, somebody strap her down and drag her to rehab before another baby is brought into this world having to permanently suffer for its mother's idiocy.
Yes, you have the right to do whatever you want with your body. It's funny how people tend to forget this, despite all our reminders about personal freedom.
Anyhoo. Allow me to expand on to a little story. Just recently, I've found out that I, due to being a minor, can not choose my own religion. My parents have reinforced this by forcing me to attend a religious service that I do not believe in. Because they are my parents, they own me. Because I live in their house, eat their food, use their money, and live because of THEIR efforts, they OWN me. I am their property, though they would never put it that way.
In the same way, the mother OWNS the fetus. She can abort it, she can birth it, she can drink it to death. It's her child. She does not and should not have to follow orders from anybody to any other effect. You say she should not be able to do this because the fetus is a human being? Maybe, but according to the law, I don't have a voice until the age of 18. Before that time, my parents speak for me. The Fetus literally CAN NOT voice its opinion. It doesn't even have one. In this case the mother acts in its stead, doing whatever the hell she wants to.
It is her child. It is her property.
Anyhoo. Allow me to expand on to a little story. Just recently, I've found out that I, due to being a minor, can not choose my own religion. My parents have reinforced this by forcing me to attend a religious service that I do not believe in. Because they are my parents, they own me. Because I live in their house, eat their food, use their money, and live because of THEIR efforts, they OWN me. I am their property, though they would never put it that way.
In the same way, the mother OWNS the fetus. She can abort it, she can birth it, she can drink it to death. It's her child. She does not and should not have to follow orders from anybody to any other effect. You say she should not be able to do this because the fetus is a human being? Maybe, but according to the law, I don't have a voice until the age of 18. Before that time, my parents speak for me. The Fetus literally CAN NOT voice its opinion. It doesn't even have one. In this case the mother acts in its stead, doing whatever the hell she wants to.
It is her child. It is her property.
Can't do that. It's one of those things, is there two people or is there one. If there's two people then it's abuse and she should be charged. If it isn't two people then why are you here?Eri said:
So answer that, then you've answered the argument. If you can have late term abortions because you're all too lazy to use a contraceptive then you can ingest whatever you please whilst pregnant. And we wonder why the general IQ is going down.
Unless you've just lost a custody case, in which case you can throw a child off a bridge, claim mental illness at the time then get off.Damura said:
So you have a couple who've decided they don't want to look after a child, take them outside to their pool, drop them in and watch them drown.drisky said:
"It's for the good of the child"
I call bull. You can't drive a Ferrari with a hot g/bf if you've got a baby carrier, won't fit in a two seater super sport. Can't go play golf with your workmates, hang with the girl friends and chat up randoms. It's about the parents, not the children. "SAVE THE CHILDREN" is in this case, and as per usual, complete rubbish.
What I wanted to say has been stated a few times, but this reminded me of a quote from a pregnant girl in my country's local "Teen mom" show. She was asked why she was still smoking and if she didn't think it would hurt the fetus. Her response?: "Well I'd like to stop, but I've already damaged my baby, so it won't really matter now." This is sadly the mental capacity of quite a few pregnant women, how about that? (RAGE!!)
No. Half fact. Fetus' are very close to parasites in nature true, but parasite are by definition required to be of another species than the host.Radelaide said:
Maybe you wouldn't use the "word" "irregardless" if you studied English some more. Because people "back then" did it we can justify doing it now? Bring back the witch burnings and racial lynchings!Valiard said:
OT: I think she deserves some kind of punishment. Have CPS take the baby away at birth, prosecute the mother for willful endangerment, something. At 6.5 months that baby could potentially survive outside the womb (not with good odds) so I figure she's harming another human being by her actions.
you are free to do whatever you want with your body, long as you bare the consequences of your actions. If she is prepared to live with invalid or sick child because of her actions. Go for it. But she most be prepared to answer of this to the child and to the community. In my opinion, person who does actions that can damage the fetus fully aware of the consequences should be denied right to child support and should be watched by social workers.
Well, in my opinion alcohol should be banned, but we all know how that turned out when that little trick was tried out.
Well, in my opinion alcohol should be banned, but we all know how that turned out when that little trick was tried out.
As reprehensible as it is that the woman doesn't care about drinking herself silly when she's pregnant. It's ultimately still her body. She should be able to do whatever the hell she wants to with it. The baby isn't yet a distinct individual. He's still part of the woman's body. Even if the baby winds up severely physically and mentally damaged, honestly, tough shit. Babies have the right to be raised in a healthy environment, but they don't have the right to be born as healthy individuals...(or born at all, for that matter).