Harbinger_ said:
101flyboy said:
Harbinger_ said:
AfriXan said:
Harbinger_ said:
Kingsman said:
Can I ask what the point of posting in this topic is if you're just going to say the exact same thing as everyone else? Just look at all the answers on the first page. Good grief. You'd think that one guy had ten accounts or something.
Might as well drop the controversy bomb here and make a different post:
You ask what gay marriage being legalized would do to affect my life.
Can I ask what eliminating the drinking age would do to affect your life if you were over 21?
Can I ask what eliminating all the drug bans would do if you don't take any of them?
Can I ask what legalizing abuse of females would do if you're a male?
Can I ask what abolishing the speed limit would do if you had no license, or walked/biked/etc. to work instead?
Can I ask what making meat illegal would do if you were already a vegetarian?
Can I ask what legalizing pedophilia and child abuse would do to you if you were an adult?
If you say "nothing" to all of the above but STILL found the concepts more than objectionable, you now know that just because homosexuality does NOT affect heterosexuals, does not mean they cannot find it against their own ethics/morals/opinions/whatever.
I agree with your post 100% sir.
I disagree. All the things listed are damaging people who don't choose to be involved. Gays aren't forcing me to attend their weddings and their weddings do not negatively impact on my life in the same way as drunks, druggies, rapists, car accidents and paedophiles.
The only similar one is the meat one and that is in fact arguing for gay marriage rather than against.
If you aren't around drunks, druggies, rapists, or pedophiles then would it? Regardless your ethics and morals still are affected, You can disagree all you want and I'll agree all I want. I have friends that are homosexual and I agree they should have equal rights however that doesn't mean that I'm completely comfortable around them or comfortable watching say two guys or two women kissing or holding hands. It bothers me to my very core. I still support my friends decision because they are my friends and I respect them however I don't have to like the lifestyle. I have friends that smoke and do drugs and I support them for their decisions because it is their decision. This is no different. Its the way that my morals are, the way that my mind works and the way that I am. If I'm to be discriminated against for the way I am which isn't harming anyone then why can't a homosexual couple discriminated against for the very same reason.
Because your "morals" are harming others by condemning individuals for who they are, and your "discomfort" around gay people is ridiculous. If you have discomfort around a human being simply for who that human being is, you are irrational in your way of thinking. What anti-gays like you fail to grasp is, not all positions are equally valid. Just like the KKK v human rights groups. Well, the same thing applies here. You basically are saying you believe what you believe, just because you believe it. I disagree with homosexuality, because it makes me feel icky. That is illogical, and, once again, irrational in it's core. Comparing something harmful like smoking to homosexuality, which in no way is harmful in any way, is illogical. You have absolutely no principals or justification. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, it's a sexual attraction, and unless you can come up with a PRINCIPLED reason as to why you are "against the lifestyle", then that shows us all you don't have any reason whatsoever. Using talking points like my morals say ___________ is simply empty rhetoric. If you have gay friends, you either support them for who they are, or you don't, and you don't. No-one is discriminating against you. You CHOOSE to hold a view point that more and more people recognize is bigoted. Well, there are consequences for that. Same-sex couples are legal couples protected by the constitution from discrimination, and they are not actually believing or doing things actively against others, like you are. So, please, stop playing the victim card, you aren't one. You made your bed. Now, you have to lay in it.
I follow a specific religion and even without that religion my morals and how I feel deem it as disgusting whether other people might deem it as attractive or not. If that is illogical then beauty is also illogical is it not? It's called the human condition. You know nothing about me. You want me to stop playing the victim card? I was molested as a child by homosexuals. I find what they do disgusting. I have friends that are homosexual and I accept that they are the way they are but that doesn't mean that I have to like what they do. I have friends that do cocaine and I accept them for what they do and who they are but I don't like what they do. It's not bigotry to simply say I don't like this but if you do then thats fine for you. Yes they should have equal rights. I agree that they should but under no circumstances should I have to shut up about something I don't enjoy just to make someone feel more comfortable about themselves. That is illogical. If you want to continue to spew empty rhetoric then go ahead. There are no consequences for someone simply voicing their opinion and if there are then by all means proceed with your threats sir because thats exactly what they are and I will not take them any more. Yes they are couples under law but that doesn't make them any more or any less free from discrimination than you or I.
Illogical is not having a principled reason for what you think, believe, etc. When you believe something but the dots don't connect. It has nothing to do with the human condition. Once again, you choose the bed you lay in now. I don't have to know you, you said enough. You gave your opinion openly, and, on a discussion board, you have to realize that not everyone will agree with your opinions, and when it comes to gay rights, as more people are realizing it's perfectly OK, that most people will not accept your viewpoints as reasonable. By accepting people for who they are, that means you ACCEPT THEM. I mean, duh. You either accept or you don't accept. You don't accept anything, you at the most tolerate. If you think something is wrong, that means you don't accept it as not wrong, use common sense please. What do "they" do? Are you gay? If not, how do you know what is disgusting and what isn't? What is disgusting? I mean, I could talk about how oral sex is EXTREMELY dirty in terms of bacteria, so, is that disgusting? I'm assuming you have had oral, of course. Mouth is the dirtiest part of the body, but I never hear people complaining about that.
So, let's get to the real factor of why you are anti-gay. It's because you were raped as a child. Which is tragic, and I am sorry for you. Still ABSOLUTELY no excuse for your actions now. I'm sorry for what you went through, and clearly are still going through, but you can't just pull that card out and beat me or any gay man over the head with it, and think that absolves you from responsibility of your actions and beliefs. That IS playing the victim card, and you are a victim, but you also aren't going to be allowed to just take advantage of that status. Gay men don't rape kids. People who rape kids are people with an attraction towards kids. That's called PEDOPHILIA. I've in fact talked to SEVERAL people just like you, who are anti-gay, because they were raped as kids. It's damage control. You can't allow that one terrible experience shape your entire view of an entire group of people. That IS illogical and irrational. Because it isn't a principled decision, it's an EMOTIONAL one. You can't say you don't enjoy homosexuality, since you aren't a homosexual, so you are simply making baseless judgments, on one specific thing that happened to you. That isn't logical, sorry. Unlike cocaine, homosexuality harms no-one. You can make all of the comparisons you want. Your entire mindset is inherently wrong in itself, so everything you say will be wrong accordingly. Yes, it is bigoted to think who someone is or what someone does is wrong because of a PERSONAL situation, when what that person is and does doesn't actually affect you or anyone else negatively. No religious book or unfortunate childhood stories change that.
No-one is telling you to shut-up. No-one is forcing you to believe anything. I certainly haven't threatened you. What did I say? Simple. Gay/lesbian people are protected under the constitution from discrimination. You have freedom of speech to say what you believe on this subject. But, you are not protected under freedom of speech laws when it comes to taking responsibility of said speech. Nothing I have said is empty rhetoric. You want paint all gay people with a wide brush because of your tragic experience, OK. And people will call you out and call you a bigot accordingly. If you don't like that, then don't hold positions more and more people see as bigoted. If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.
