I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?
- Thread starter Arsen
- Start date
Recommended Videos
i think everyone should just live the way that they want to... and stop demanding others for evidence of their god of choice... or trying to convert people to their god of choice...
my motto in life is "do whatever the hell you want... just dont push it on me"
my motto in life is "do whatever the hell you want... just dont push it on me"
Arsen said:
because there are 2 kinds of people, the ones that have "faith" or whatever they call it where they blindly believe anything written in some book, and then there are the ones that believe nothing unless they see it.
now in todays world, where with our technology we can look into space, we can see atoms, and molecules and we know so much why would god not have to be provable?
after all if you dont see it...it generally doesnt exist.
yeah this, I don't get why people think you don't need proof (i.e. reverse of the argument presented by the OP).teutonicman said:
If you personally don't need proof of something to believe it then what stops you believing that grass is actually purple and the sea is made of lava?
Also if you don't need proof of something for it to be true then our judicial system must seem like mockery to you.
A quote Constantine: "Yes but you KNOW that god exists." Referring to an argument why he is isn't destined for heaven.
God was also responsible for crusades spanning a hundred years in which a large number of innocent people were killed. Witch-hunts, modern and ancient prejudices, the medieval period in which society in Europe stopped. Wars and crimes in modern Ireland. God can't even decide how he wants to be worshipped their are that many versions of Christianity arguing with each other. God is responsible for fakes and phonys tricking ignorant people out their money through the promise of healing or benefits. God is responsible for segregation, fear and terror.Datalord said:
I thought the renaissance was inspired by a revival in learning brought on by the study of ancient Greek and Roman mythology. Ending the god-inspired middle ages.
Anyway I don't care, I was trying to build an arguement, but I will say this, blind faith leads to the worst things in the world. People will kill for their gods, if it was provable that god was no more than a story then the world could be better off.
Besides Christianity has almost had its run, people are getting smarter, soon enough God will be there alongside Zeus in children's mythology books.
"Peter you are the rock on which i shall build my church upon. What ever you loose in this kingdom will be loosed in my kingdom, what ever you gain in this kingdom will be gained in my kingdom"Nmil-ek said:
So the Roman Catholic church has the power to declare what exsists and what dosnt in its dogma as decreed my the late JC himself.
Back then that idea was extremly radical and radicalism isnt really wanted in many religions.
If you enter enough religious discussions, particularly on the existence of god, what you'll find once you wade through the bullshit, is that there is no reason to believe in any god. Most of the reasons people have for believing can often be explained via alternative explanations that do not require any supernatural cause. It's also unfortunate that our brains have evolved with certain instincts and feature that make a spiritual realm seem credible, but this does not stand up to scrutiny.
I have long since stopped seriously asking for evidence because theists have none. All they have are bald assertions and logic fallacies. So now I only ask to attempt to demonstrate that they are believing something they have no reason to believe. This never works since our brains have also evolved to not change its mind so easily, but it's just more straw on the camel's back.
I have long since stopped seriously asking for evidence because theists have none. All they have are bald assertions and logic fallacies. So now I only ask to attempt to demonstrate that they are believing something they have no reason to believe. This never works since our brains have also evolved to not change its mind so easily, but it's just more straw on the camel's back.
It isn't supposed to be. Is like you trust your wife that is not going to cheat on you or that she hasnt. You gotta trust.
To be honest, there are far more important things going on and to deal with in life than God. All we should want to know is that we are born, we live the life we dictate and then we die. I would like to know whether there is a God or not, but we won't find out in my generation, nor the one after that, etc etc so why worry so much about it? Let the scientist people do their thing, when they finally disprove God then they'll tell us, I'll continue to live my life and tend to more important things.
But actually on topic, I don't believe it until I see it. I akin the Bible to a big book of chinese wisphers. God supposedly came down and gave MAN the ten commandments, the Bible, etc etc. Now you're going to tell me that MAN(that is fallible and corrupt and lying and controlling and forgetful)carried that same message throughout the ages up until now, translated it into several hundred languages and nothing, and I mean NOTHING was changed, moved, added or deleted in any way?
Sorry, but I call bullshit on that one.
But actually on topic, I don't believe it until I see it. I akin the Bible to a big book of chinese wisphers. God supposedly came down and gave MAN the ten commandments, the Bible, etc etc. Now you're going to tell me that MAN(that is fallible and corrupt and lying and controlling and forgetful)carried that same message throughout the ages up until now, translated it into several hundred languages and nothing, and I mean NOTHING was changed, moved, added or deleted in any way?
Sorry, but I call bullshit on that one.
I don't feel like arguing with people at the moment, although I probably will later...so I'm just going to answer the thread question.
When a rabbit jumps through the snow, it leaves a footprint. Think about that for a moment. Cause and effect. This is elementary logic. Nothing happens without some sort of reason. I have a chart, and it's going to offend people, but I don't care.
[http://tinypic.com]
'Nuff said.
When a rabbit jumps through the snow, it leaves a footprint. Think about that for a moment. Cause and effect. This is elementary logic. Nothing happens without some sort of reason. I have a chart, and it's going to offend people, but I don't care.
[http://tinypic.com]
'Nuff said.
To most of the people who really care about religion, God's existence doesn't have to be provable. That's the definition of faith; you don't always have to see to believe.
It's the people who adamantly persist that God doesn't exist that demand his existence be proven. I'm not usually given to making sweeping generalizations, but it seems that this is usually because adamant and vocal nonbelievers seem to think themselves better and/or smarter than the pious. This believe drives them to try and prove to a vastly religious society that their way, the athiest way, is better, by challenging the faithful to prove what essentially cannot be proven.
It's the people who adamantly persist that God doesn't exist that demand his existence be proven. I'm not usually given to making sweeping generalizations, but it seems that this is usually because adamant and vocal nonbelievers seem to think themselves better and/or smarter than the pious. This believe drives them to try and prove to a vastly religious society that their way, the athiest way, is better, by challenging the faithful to prove what essentially cannot be proven.
Faith that something is real, while others show proof that it is not, that would be called ignorance. If you need help putting those together Faith = Ignorancecomadorcrack said:
Well, If a man needs science to be proven in order to beleive it, God should be.
I'm not atheist, infact i don't care which is the truth or not, I just want the truth, the raw un filtered truth.
Psychic powers operate outside of natural laws, and we found them to be complete hokum. Psychics don't exist.eels05 said:
Magic operates outside of natural laws, and we found that to be complete nonsense. Magic is done through purely natural laws.
Telekenesis operates outside of natural laws, once again we found it to be bullshit. It doesn't exist.
See where I'm going?
Modern empiricism demands that everything be observable, definable, and repeatable, or it doesn't exist. Modern science is so completely full of itself it has decided it is the only possible answer to absolutely everything. God does not fit into the modern empiricist's view and cannot be observed, defined, or made in a test tube, and therefor cannot exist, they say. Of course, in the end, everyone still has faith in science, as the average person doesn't have access to a particle accelerator, or knowledge of quantum physics, even if they did. In short, most people are actually taking scientists' word for it, in much the same way people of faith take holy books' or religious leaders' word for it. It was actually quite amusing to me, the day I realized that modern science is in many ways a religion.
Except that you're wrong, it is logically impossible to disprove anything. All science has proven is that under all circumstances they are able to observe, with all available metrics they have, it doesn't work. Remember, people used to SCIENTIFICALLY believe that the universe orbited the earth. They believed this based on information available at the time, in time it was proven that the earth orbits the sun. So things go, as our knowledge grows, our ability to expand our knowledge grows, to think that we have all the answers, and that we can do the logically impossible is the height of hubris.Cliff_m85 said:
I don't think myself better than it. I don't see why you would live half a life worrying about what will happen to you when you die, you've got a life to live yet, worry about that first, you can worry about death well when you're dead.Space Spoons said:
People just put it waaaaaay to high up on their list of things to do, worry about surviving, God will worry about you dying, or not, well, if he exists that is
