That's why we need to do our research, we should keep an open mind and read about all kinds of religions and put each under a microscope of unrelenting logic before making a decision.Cliff_m85 said:
I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?
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There is nothing stopping anyone from believing anything. I believe elephants can fly. They just do it when people aren't looking. It may not be true, but that is where faith comes in. I think faith is really the higher argument here.Daveman said:
Because, for me, the belief that the shit life puts me through is all part of some devout higher power's divine plan without knowing what said plan is, is not good enough for me. If there is a plan, I want to know what it is; and I want to be able to confront this obnoxious higher power and get some bloody answers. Instead I get more response out of the walls.
People want to know things to be true or not. They are ever curious and want to know the facts, instead of just wondering on the theory. Whilst God can not be proven true, people want to know that he is, so they can can assure themselves in that fact, when it's actually impossible to prove either way that God exists.
Where I grew up, being religious didn't mean you spent every waking hour praying and living in fear of being struck down for any slight deviation from the scriptures. It meant being what was commonly referred to as "a good Christian." Lead an honest life, go to church every Sunday and Christmas, say a prayer in the evening, and most importantly, be tolerant of others, even if their beliefs are different from your own.WlknCntrdiction said:I don't think myself better than it. I don't see why you would live half a life worrying about what will happen to you when you die, you've got a life to live yet, worry about that first, you can worry about death well when you're dead.Space Spoons said:
People just put it waaaaaay to high up on their list of things to do, worry about surviving, God will worry about you dying, or not, well, if he exists that is
I can't speak for everyone, of course, but it's entirely possible to lead a fulfilling life while simultaneously being pious. And of course, there are those that find being completely devout to be a fulfilling and worthwhile endeavor in itself.
Why live a lie? Why indeed? Very wise people have spent their whole lives in search of the truth, and in the end all they got was a bunch more questions. The fact is, that at a certain point, you have to decide what you're going to accept as the truth. Even if there's no evidence for it, or if there's a mountain of evidence, you just have to decide for yourself what you're going to accept as truth.
To quote the almighty Douglas Adams:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
My two cents:
I'm not a theist - theism is the belief in the presence of a higher power.
Nor am I an atheist - atheism is the belief in the absence of a higher power.
I just don't care.
Whether or not there is an omnipotent deity up there (or down there, if that's your thing) is something the individual should decide, based on what they've experienced.
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
My two cents:
I'm not a theist - theism is the belief in the presence of a higher power.
Nor am I an atheist - atheism is the belief in the absence of a higher power.
I just don't care.
Whether or not there is an omnipotent deity up there (or down there, if that's your thing) is something the individual should decide, based on what they've experienced.
Ag, Pascal's wager. The problem with that is assuming other religions are also wrong. If ,for example, Buddhism was right then that chart would be very difrentAkai Shizuku said:
Those that ask why I ask why not, why is it so hard to believe in something beyond us that may bring us peace and order?
Now just because some become anal curmudgeons dose not mean the rest who believe have to have thier heads in the sand or up each others butts....ya...something like that...
Now just because some become anal curmudgeons dose not mean the rest who believe have to have thier heads in the sand or up each others butts....ya...something like that...
A chef one day hears from a young child that there is a way to cut a certain mushroom to make it nonpoisonous. He goes home and researches the claim, finding it to be false. However, he wanted to be openminded so the next day he prepares a french onion soup with the mushrooms cut exactly like the child said.Akai Shizuku said:
It's fine to be openminded, but believing in nonsense hurts people. Add that you weren't being very openminded with the image you posted, which I already demonstrated made no real sense.
Like that epic part of Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy:comadorcrack said:
"The Babble fish was the final proof man needed to prove god doesn't exsist, this is how it went:
Man:' The Babble fish is such an amazing creature, there is no way that it came to exsistance by chance, so there must be a higher being who created it!'
God:' Profe denies faith, and I am based on faith, and with out it I am nothing'
Man:' But the Babble fish is a sure profe of your exsistance!'
And thus god poofed away in a cloud of logic. Later ,the man proved that black is white for laughs, and died in the nearest crossing line"
Why should God be proovable? Well, other wise if there is no proof, it is just opinion or a guess, there is no proof.
Science = logic and reason
Religion = belief
Well, I like how science works. It doesn't say 100 percent sure how things go, just laws that attempt to explain a phenomenom. And after enough time, you have physical proof to verify why you think we stick to the ground instead of flying off into space.
Where as with relgion, it is a bunch of guys a long time ago that wrote stuff down, and had a lesser scientific view of the world at that time, and thus weren't capable of understanding the concept of the vaccume of space, gravity, or certain chemical reactions. And in fact, lets go back further to Greeco/Roman times. They couldn't explain how this giant ball of fire would rise each day and run across the sky and be gone, but then come back again every day? It must be a god that rides his chariot each day, right? I mean that only makes sense, when you can't get into orbit to verify.
So I guess my point is that, if relgion could be provable, more people would be interested. But for now, it is no different than a fairy tale of what we would like to happen, but just don't know 100 percent. Anyone can claim to "feel" this way or that, but that is not proof. I feel like im sexy, but that doesn't seem to matter to the chickas. And also, you can't record the sensation as documentable proof anyways. And actually don't get me started on how feelings are chemical releases in the brain that are the response to stimuli.
But yeah, would be nice if there was proof, but since there isn't, all the relgions will say they are the one of the best. As many people have died by cars, more have died due to crusades and religious persecution and zealotry.
Science = logic and reason
Religion = belief
Well, I like how science works. It doesn't say 100 percent sure how things go, just laws that attempt to explain a phenomenom. And after enough time, you have physical proof to verify why you think we stick to the ground instead of flying off into space.
Where as with relgion, it is a bunch of guys a long time ago that wrote stuff down, and had a lesser scientific view of the world at that time, and thus weren't capable of understanding the concept of the vaccume of space, gravity, or certain chemical reactions. And in fact, lets go back further to Greeco/Roman times. They couldn't explain how this giant ball of fire would rise each day and run across the sky and be gone, but then come back again every day? It must be a god that rides his chariot each day, right? I mean that only makes sense, when you can't get into orbit to verify.
So I guess my point is that, if relgion could be provable, more people would be interested. But for now, it is no different than a fairy tale of what we would like to happen, but just don't know 100 percent. Anyone can claim to "feel" this way or that, but that is not proof. I feel like im sexy, but that doesn't seem to matter to the chickas. And also, you can't record the sensation as documentable proof anyways. And actually don't get me started on how feelings are chemical releases in the brain that are the response to stimuli.
But yeah, would be nice if there was proof, but since there isn't, all the relgions will say they are the one of the best. As many people have died by cars, more have died due to crusades and religious persecution and zealotry.
I'm not saying to believe in nonsense, what I'm saying is to examine everything with logic. For a long time, people have believed that religion cannot make sense and must be just believed. There's got to be something out there that makes sense.