I can honestly say I have never been this disgusted
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The fur industry these days is actually quite clean and modern. First the animal is gassed then the skin is removed using a special vacuum.
The only problem is, that China is behind on this technology and prefers the traditional method. It is such a disgrace, especially because fur wuth the same kind of quality could be obtained without the animal having to suffer so much.
The only problem is, that China is behind on this technology and prefers the traditional method. It is such a disgrace, especially because fur wuth the same kind of quality could be obtained without the animal having to suffer so much.
Wrong.Finnboghi said:
You use one example out of the many species in the animal kingdom.
Big cats will suffocate an animal before eating it. Does it happen every time? No, but it happens often.
Some wild dogs snap the necks of small game before they eat it.
They can't make the death completely painless, but it would be a lot less painless than being skinned alive and left to die in a pool of your own blood.
We are not the only animals to kill first and eat later.
But we are the only animals that don't have to take on said animal one-on-one and weaken it through brute force and violence before killing it.
And yet, many humans choose to do such things anyway.
PETA are misguided zealots at best, and eco-terrorists at worst, but they do, on occasion, have a point. Not a point that hasn't been made by other, more legitimate groups before, but a point nonetheless.
Just because we aren't the only animals capable of being cruel doesn't mean we have a right to be. Mankind has an incredibly advanced intellect and a conscience that goes with it. If we don't use it, what is there to seperate us from the lemmings?
Just another reason China needs a mighty kick up the arse.
Just because we aren't the only animals capable of being cruel doesn't mean we have a right to be. Mankind has an incredibly advanced intellect and a conscience that goes with it. If we don't use it, what is there to seperate us from the lemmings?
Just another reason China needs a mighty kick up the arse.
Can't realy watch the video right now (kids and people around, don't want to look like a psycho porn freak) but I have heard of and seen this before. Fucking disgusting.
Yes we should just nuke china. Solve so many issues. Okay raises a few but no plan is perfect.
Yes we should just nuke china. Solve so many issues. Okay raises a few but no plan is perfect.
I am not surprised, the fucking Chinese and Japanese have been doing this inhuman thing to animals for century's! Like when they cut of a bears hands and just leave it to die or hunt whales to extinction, these people are just sick in the head!
God dammit, I knew about this but I had never watched a video about it. I feel physically sick now.
Yeah like China gives a shit about PETA. If PETA tried anything China would just throw their arses in Jail and I wouldn't be that sorry.
I completely agree with you. I live in CA and while I think it's a good place to live, our opinions as a state just don't really tickle my fancy. It seems the people here are mostly animal lovers and Christians (not to insult anyone,) which massively influenced prop 2 and 8.appleblush said:
To me, the whole idea of killing an animal just for its hide is disagreeable. I'd see the point in skinning an animal if it was already slaughtered for meat, but I wouldn't go around killing these critters for nothing other than wanting to wear their skin. No need to spread pain and suffering to other beings. We have had to kill animals for fur to wear during winter in the old past, but we don't anymore. The chief demand for animal skin and fur is aesthetic in nature, not practical.
Beyond that, if we are to skin an animal, then let's make sure we do it as painlessly as we can. Skinning animals alive? That shouldn't fly anywhere where the word "empathy" still has half of a meaning. You can't tell me that these workers, struggling to meet the quota as they are, couldn't spare a simple death-blow to knock these animals out before peeling their skins off; slitting the jugular, bludgeoning the head (effectively, none of that slam-the-animal-face-first bullshit) all work. I'm not exactly sure how the better cut claim works. Wouldn't it be a better cut if the skin was recovered from an animal that wasn't jerking and squirming in pain? Why would a bit of mercy lower the market value of the fur?
Beyond that, if we are to skin an animal, then let's make sure we do it as painlessly as we can. Skinning animals alive? That shouldn't fly anywhere where the word "empathy" still has half of a meaning. You can't tell me that these workers, struggling to meet the quota as they are, couldn't spare a simple death-blow to knock these animals out before peeling their skins off; slitting the jugular, bludgeoning the head (effectively, none of that slam-the-animal-face-first bullshit) all work. I'm not exactly sure how the better cut claim works. Wouldn't it be a better cut if the skin was recovered from an animal that wasn't jerking and squirming in pain? Why would a bit of mercy lower the market value of the fur?
Just a quick question for the people here-
1)There is a lot of PETA hate here. Now, i'm not condeming that because i don't know much about PETA, i'm just wondering why. They seem like any other animal right's organisation to me, i never hear much about them in the news, nor do they make a nusance of themselves in British cities. Are they bigger and more annoying in the states or something?
Like many people here, i think where all wondering why car'nt they just slit the animals throat before skinning it? I can only assume there is because the Chinese consumers believe (probably falsely) that the quality of fur is better if it was removed from the animal while still alive. Thing is though, you carn't really do anything about it. One, the Chinese government would lock up any PETA protestors in China without a second thought, and two, the Chinese don't have a concept of "animal rights". So Peta are in for a hard time changing the minds of the Chinese consumers.
I remember a philsophy lecturer telling us (on the subject of animal rights) that he had given a lecture in China about animal right's, and he said that throughout the lecturer the Chinese students where smirking and sniggering throughout his talk, they simply could not understand why animals deserve basic right's. I think also it's an East Asian cultural thing, i remember reading a news article about the booming trade of animal testing in Malysia, as many companies where re-locating there because they did not have to worry about animal rights protesters. The journalist quoted one Malaysian scientist saying that "nobody here cares about the rights of mice".
1)There is a lot of PETA hate here. Now, i'm not condeming that because i don't know much about PETA, i'm just wondering why. They seem like any other animal right's organisation to me, i never hear much about them in the news, nor do they make a nusance of themselves in British cities. Are they bigger and more annoying in the states or something?
Like many people here, i think where all wondering why car'nt they just slit the animals throat before skinning it? I can only assume there is because the Chinese consumers believe (probably falsely) that the quality of fur is better if it was removed from the animal while still alive. Thing is though, you carn't really do anything about it. One, the Chinese government would lock up any PETA protestors in China without a second thought, and two, the Chinese don't have a concept of "animal rights". So Peta are in for a hard time changing the minds of the Chinese consumers.
I remember a philsophy lecturer telling us (on the subject of animal rights) that he had given a lecture in China about animal right's, and he said that throughout the lecturer the Chinese students where smirking and sniggering throughout his talk, they simply could not understand why animals deserve basic right's. I think also it's an East Asian cultural thing, i remember reading a news article about the booming trade of animal testing in Malysia, as many companies where re-locating there because they did not have to worry about animal rights protesters. The journalist quoted one Malaysian scientist saying that "nobody here cares about the rights of mice".
Sounds to me like these guys need some good old European Union animal treatment laws.
But then again, that would require that animals have a higher standard of living than the average person in china.
But then again, that would require that animals have a higher standard of living than the average person in china.
NICKOLAI YOU DONT KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT PETA.Nickolai77 said:
They arent another normal organazation they are a bunch of idiots that care more about animals
than humans.
They Wanted Ben and Jerrys to use Womans milk instead of Cow milk for their ice cream
They Say lies like drink or eating Milk and Meat causes you desieses.
They freaking wanted to make a fuzz about Barack OBama Killing a fly.
This is cruel.
I don't, though, agree with the vegetarian point of view. We should eat animals. We need to, for the nutrients for which there are no replacement.
I don't, though, agree with the vegetarian point of view. We should eat animals. We need to, for the nutrients for which there are no replacement.