I can honestly say I have never been this disgusted
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Some animals are known to go for the jugular on instinct. Sea lions rip the fins off ocean sunfish, a species they don't eat, for fun. Most domesticated cats have been known to kill large vermin, and neither eat them or bring them to their owners.
Please, the shit we do to animals is pretty tame.
Please, the shit we do to animals is pretty tame.
Ah then I take back most of what I said.FarleShadow said:I'm sorry, I wanted you to actually 'prove' global warming, instead of propagating the half-cocked ideal of 'global warming'. Sure, I can provide the world has experienced a warming moment. Like I could prove that the world has experienced a 'pro-homosexual' moment. The fact that its bullshit is not considered academic. Because it disagrees with the political bullshit of the day.theultimateend said:So basically you are so conceded that you think thatmeans "OMG I take you srs!"
You aren't as clever as you might think (at least I know I'm not that clever).
I find it funny that you were talking about character defamation and all you appear to be trying to do is that.
There are tons of things with my level of understanding that I can't prove, like how the sun works, or the chemical reactions of your stomach, the lower level activities of the human brain, migratory patterns of birds.
However in the case of most of these, it isn't necessarily about proving them as much as examining the harm in assuming that they are true things that actually happen.
What would come of renewable energy sources (of which we have plenty, environmentalist drama aside we have extremely well thought out nuclear power options)? Where exactly is the harm in not using oil or coal (outside of a few areas where it really is the only viable option that I can think of)?
I just find it odd that people would assume that there is absolutely no negative side effects to releasing far higher levels of emissions in various gasses than the earth is used to. I am 100% certain the earth will survive, I highly doubt we'll cause a Venus effect. But in the long run I'm pretty sure that a bunch of pretentious ass hats are going to ***** and moan until there really is no going back at least for life as we know it.
Lots of shit that we eat is not as hardy as we are (adaptability wise, since we have technology to 'cheat' with).
But regardless. I'll leave it here. You are demanding a science paper on a video game forum after being a prick which doesn't exactly promote a deep educated response. Which might be your strategy. If so I commend you on mission successful.
I doubt I could prove global warming in the sense that politics or Al Gore (who I don't really like) has taken it.
I don't think it would be very hard to find the data on the amount of various gases that the Earth can naturally and safely diffuse through various processes and then gather the data of current output given by humans and human related aids (like livestock).
While people do point out that yes, volcanoes and shit produce tons of material, they tend to forget that those have been around long before people which means (in theory) that the biology of the Earth and the processes going on in the atmosphere have been pretty well balanced with one another. It doesn't mean that you can keep pumping shit into it and see no repercussion.
But then I might be having the same issue as organized religion. Few people in any religion are actually believing in what the 'central powers' assume everyone does. I've never heard the same response for any 'why' question from any particular faith. Likewise I might be using the term Global Warming to describe something I've come to terms with that has nothing to do with the more popular term.
I'm basically under the assumption that it is impossible that this much methane and other gasses can possibly be good for the long term human sustaining possibilities of the Earth. I also don't see any point in not just switching to modern Nuclear Energy, enhancing solar energy, and developing other self renewing systems that put more long term stability in the future of human development.
It seems more often than not that people are just fighting to protect their Pickup truck than actually having a heartfelt discussion.
Then again I guess most people aren't as excited as I am to read about how nuclear reactors work or would be as excited as me to have electric bullet trains across the US that are powered by large solar grids placed on the roofs of the thousands of buildings in Cities that otherwise have nothing on their roofs. (Or the fact that cleaning said grids could very well provide jobs that there will always be people willing to do which reduces unemployment)
Course I'm now off in the fantasy world where most relevant people (that is to say people who would be paying for the projects) aren't assholes and wouldn't just abuse new technology for a short term gain.
About the only reason I haven't stopped assuming we are doing something wrong is because I end up seeing a 12 page, well thought out and cited, argument for global climate change. Then I see the next 10 responses are people basically calling the person a fag and telling them to STFU. It tends to bolster any confidence I have in the article.
It is entirely relevant. Because when you get right down to it, animals aren't equal to us and yet people would rather see chickens, probably the stupidest animals around, made more comfortable and more equal, than other living human beings. I wish I could find the nice political comic that summarized my thoughts on the issue.
We know we live in a sick world when anything is skinned alive for the pleasure of others. Eating other animals is a natural part of life, it's the way the world was created and most animals eat each other, and the ones that don't eat plants, another living thing. It's a delicate cycle of life, one that has been since the dawn of animals.
However, when we have the option, for the love of God PLEASE don't torture them before they die! It's so sad, just kill off animals by euthanizing them or something, if we're going to take their life and eat them for our own benefit, at least let them die quickly and painlessly.
However, when we have the option, for the love of God PLEASE don't torture them before they die! It's so sad, just kill off animals by euthanizing them or something, if we're going to take their life and eat them for our own benefit, at least let them die quickly and painlessly.
i have seen s lot worse things then that, it is not a nice thing indeed. We always believe that we have no power to stop this sort of thing: true not everyone is capable of making an informed choice, but if enouigh people do, things change. Remember: we are the consumers: in the end: we have all the power
PETA is essentially a radical group and I by no means agree with their methods or views but yes the fur industry is bad and we don't need real fur anymore because civilization is more advanced now.
PETA's a good organization, based on its principles at least.
They have a noble cause, but they fuck it up with their whacko propaganda and whatnot.
As for the video, it is quite disgusting. There's not much for me to say that hasn't already been said, but I don't think skinning an animal alive is ever really justifiable unless a life-or-death situation.
They have a noble cause, but they fuck it up with their whacko propaganda and whatnot.
As for the video, it is quite disgusting. There's not much for me to say that hasn't already been said, but I don't think skinning an animal alive is ever really justifiable unless a life-or-death situation.
This isn't really surprising. It pisses me off, but can't really do anything about it. China's just pretty fucked up in general. I mean, shit the "People's Republic of China" is the "People's" in the same way that IngSoc (in Orwell's "1984") was really English 'Socialism'.
If this is the one I think it is (they look like raccoons and are skinned alive) I've seen about 1/3 of the video quite some time ago. I'm all for using animals for our benefit, I wear leather, and eat meat, and sleep on down, but making them suffer so unimaginably?! This is cruel and needless, and it doesn't change how I feel about how I use animal products, it just makes me loathe the people that put these doomed creatures through so much horrendous pain.
Seriously, cruelty like that is not necessary. I just don't understand how people can be so completely heartless to a helpless creatures this way. It's just sick no matter how one looks at it.
Seriously, cruelty like that is not necessary. I just don't understand how people can be so completely heartless to a helpless creatures this way. It's just sick no matter how one looks at it.
the vikings were reputed to skin people alive, and nail someones intestines to a post and walk around it until they could not: the tern "Hymnar(sp?) was reputadly used when they cut the arms and legsoff of a leader, kept him alive with the idea: this is what we do to your leaders, think of what we will do to you.
i do not condone "unethical" treatment of anything human or otherwise, whether or not we like it: capitalism, the quest for money, throughout the centuries has had this effecton people, ever been to a slaughterhouse? not really that different.
people are sick, simple.
*** now as for global warming: gasses in our atmosphere either thicker or lighter than air act as a filter towards sunlight, our planet can only "metabolize" so much of this at any given time. eccess gasses are not dealt with and build up. these act as a filter: emitting rays of certain spectrums, such as ultraviolet: which are good (i.e. ozone) others, like eccess carbon dioxide, act to insulate the earth by preventing the rebound effect of light (light hits the planet and some rebounds off of the planet) and causes it to get warmer. ice freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. ant warmer: it melts. hot spots along the equator expand as it gets hotter (deserts for example) and water floods shorelines (remember tis hotter: so probably more wind, and deserts: still getting bigger: remember: its hot out) things change in unpredictable ways: this is change, human history has many examples on how we do not respond well to change. ***
skin dead animals, not live ones, and if u dont like it: dont buy fur. if enough people dp this: there is no more fur trade.
i do not condone "unethical" treatment of anything human or otherwise, whether or not we like it: capitalism, the quest for money, throughout the centuries has had this effecton people, ever been to a slaughterhouse? not really that different.
people are sick, simple.
*** now as for global warming: gasses in our atmosphere either thicker or lighter than air act as a filter towards sunlight, our planet can only "metabolize" so much of this at any given time. eccess gasses are not dealt with and build up. these act as a filter: emitting rays of certain spectrums, such as ultraviolet: which are good (i.e. ozone) others, like eccess carbon dioxide, act to insulate the earth by preventing the rebound effect of light (light hits the planet and some rebounds off of the planet) and causes it to get warmer. ice freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. ant warmer: it melts. hot spots along the equator expand as it gets hotter (deserts for example) and water floods shorelines (remember tis hotter: so probably more wind, and deserts: still getting bigger: remember: its hot out) things change in unpredictable ways: this is change, human history has many examples on how we do not respond well to change. ***
skin dead animals, not live ones, and if u dont like it: dont buy fur. if enough people dp this: there is no more fur trade.
Eating animals is one thing. Skinning them alive "for a better cut" is just plain disgusting. I'm not actually that big on animal rights and I normally get pissed off when someone gets all hippy and overly liberal about things like that, but this is just straight up disgusting.Leorex said:
(And no, I'm not some dickhead red neck, I'm actually a left wing supporter, I just hate it when liberals go way over the top with things.)
I can honestly say "Ehh" to the entire video, I'm not terribly disgusted at what happened. The only reason people seemed concerned about this is because the animals are cute. If we replace the cute animal with a hideous animal like a snake you're not going to start rooting for P.E.T.A.'s cause.
For those of you agreeing that watching a snake killed is different than a cute animal getting killed you do seem pretty hypocritical seeing as how they're both animals.
For those of you believing that killing either animal is still wrong you have a moral high ground greater than mine you deserve a group where you can be heard, I suggest P.E.T.A.
For those of you believing that killing either animal is not wrong in any way... Well it's hard to talk about yourself or your group without sounding wrong to others so I'll leave it up to you.
For those of you agreeing that watching a snake killed is different than a cute animal getting killed you do seem pretty hypocritical seeing as how they're both animals.
For those of you believing that killing either animal is still wrong you have a moral high ground greater than mine you deserve a group where you can be heard, I suggest P.E.T.A.
For those of you believing that killing either animal is not wrong in any way... Well it's hard to talk about yourself or your group without sounding wrong to others so I'll leave it up to you.
i got about a minue into this and turned it off i just don't see how this helps the process i mean the racoon was trying to bite the guy while he was skinning it
Lol that video again.
Heres whats actually... Youknow. Alright. I don't care if you believe me. But.
It was paid for by PETA, so they had dirt to throw around. Thats not how you skin fur, it does not make it "better", thats like saying eating a live cow is 'better'. Trust me. It's not fake, just paid for by a group so they can throw shit around like "OHMYGODLOOKWHATTHEYAREDOING!!!!!!" In chain e-mails.
I'm not for Fur, or against fur, or against eating meat, or against against not eating almost meat.
But I am for knowledge, and justice. As some cartoon show once said. "Knowing is half the battle."
Heres whats actually... Youknow. Alright. I don't care if you believe me. But.
It was paid for by PETA, so they had dirt to throw around. Thats not how you skin fur, it does not make it "better", thats like saying eating a live cow is 'better'. Trust me. It's not fake, just paid for by a group so they can throw shit around like "OHMYGODLOOKWHATTHEYAREDOING!!!!!!" In chain e-mails.
I'm not for Fur, or against fur, or against eating meat, or against against not eating almost meat.
But I am for knowledge, and justice. As some cartoon show once said. "Knowing is half the battle."