I dont get why these people do it... i never do...

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ReepNeep

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Those who've never been there will never understand, no matter how patiently you explain it to them. Another way of looking at it is that the ones who claim him to be selfish are, in fact, the selfish ones. They would condemn him to an existence he apparently finds unbearable merely to avoid their own grief.

Its sad anyway.
 

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Suicide is a lame way to go. Not to mention a weak way

I also would have killed to be in this kid's position

Clearly he just wasn't very mentally stable
 

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Ok, so here's the short and serious answer: the worth of life is the sum of pleasures and sufferings we get. if the sum is negative we suffer enough that we want to die. BUT there is also an individual level of tolerance for pain (ie. some people can't handle a papercut as well as others can handle cancer) and the individual level of joy we get from pleasures (ie. some rich guy won't appreciate his 75th sports car the way a 16 year old kid appreciates his first). so lets just go ahead and turn this into an equation... la-da-da... and we have:

LIFE_WORTH = (cognizance of joy)(objective pleasure in life) - (tolerance of pain)(objective pain in life)

when LIFE-WORTH is a negative number, suicide occurs.

Let's try two examples: 1) I take low pleasure in life but have a ton of money. And I can't deal with pain, but I have very little pain so it hardly matters. L_W = (low positive number)(high positive number) minus (high positive number)(low positive number) = low to mid positive number

2) I take little to no pleasure in life, and have few pleasures to begin with. I can't deal with pain, and I have cancer and it sucks, etc. so L_W = (low pos number)(low pos number) - (high pos number)(high pos number) = negative number.

In the second case, I kill myself. In the first case, I have little joy but not enough pain to make life a sum-negative experience and so I live, albeit not very happily.
 

kazikian

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incidentally, pain tolerance is ranked inversely here. that is, high pain tolerance is a low value, and low pain tolerance is a high value.
 

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I think its stupid to kill yourself over something like that (of course theres times when it would be better to die by your own hand (or even a friendly one)
Like in Of Mice and Men

But really in most cases its a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But that's just me. I feel that the most important thing to me is my life, and I want to live all the way through it no matter how bad it is. Some people see it differently.
 

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He off'd himself because he got in a fight with his girlfriend. Dear god I'd kill to even have a girlfriend to break up with.
 

kazikian

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Oh and also, there can never be a cohesive moral argument for or against suicide. Having looked over the thread more, I see too much arguing over whether it is a right or wrong or stupid or smart or whatever choice. It depends on the person, the cards you were dealt, and your own ability to process. Chemical imbalance is a bad statement too, because it implies there exists some magical state of perfect chemical balance. We're all different, and chemical balance is just psychiatry's pet-term-du-jour of trying to explain essentially WHY we're all different and that's a futile intellectual exercise (which incidentally grows more futile in psychiatry's second step: trying to then categorize the human race by right vs. wrong and ill vs. well and balance vs. imbalance.)

I would say psychiatry makes me sick, but the fact is it's a very young discipline (Freud is barely cold in his grave) and it's by far the best we've got. But modern medicine as whole is a good 100 years ahead of mental/emotional medicine (and even that isn't saying much, considering how young the whole medical profession is. Remember that modern medicine didn't even exists until after the civil war, and that's being generous.
 

kazikian

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perfect example. go plug your variables into my equation and find out why you're alive and he's dead
 

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Cain_Zeros said:
Silver said:
Emotional instability, likely clinical depression, bipolar or a temporary chemical inbalance. It could be just a simple burnout (from being pressured by the lovely family into getting straight A's, living a perfectly happy life, and being perfect, etc). I really need more information to go on.

That someone has straight A's, or what you percieve from the outside as a good family means nothing. Grades don't prove or disprove intelligence, or disposition, it doesn't give us any information to go on. That you percieve his family life as good from the outside doesn't really mean anything either, what you would consider a good family, and what others would consider a good family is different, and your perceptions of it might differ from reality.

With that out of the way, it is rarely seen as the only solution, but often the only bearable one. Clinical depression is rough, it get's really bad. Bipolar is even worse. A burnout is similar, in ways. Often a sense of perspective is lost, and consequences get exaggerated. The slightest, smallest error, or thing that goes wrong can feel like the end of the world. I've experienced it myself, nothing seems to work, everything just piles up, and that tiny, small, little thing just gets you. It could be as simple as someone saying you're wrong. I had a teacher who got that, she was suffering from a burnout, and while recovering returned to school for a single class to see how it went. A student contradicted her, not in a harmful manner, or anything, but it was enough that she broke down into tears.

The attention argument put up by TheGreatCoolEnergy is a surprisingly valid one, for something put in such a ridiculous way, as well, but in an entirely different way, and for entirely different reasons than those presented, of course. With depression, or a burnout, or whatever, you usually realise you have a problem, that you need help. But it's not something that's easy to talk about. It's usually not a conscious motivation, it's just your body's defense mechanisms way of making sure someone will notice, someone who can take better care of you than you can. Sometimes those mechanisms backfire, and take it too far (sort of like with a fever, it's designed to kill whatever ails you, but your body will keep heating you up until you break). That's what happens in suicide cases. I've been there myself, both with an attempted suicide or three, and other actions I can't later explain. I once threw a chandelier through my bedroom window. I wasn't angry, or anything like that, it just made sense at the time. I really needed help, and I couldn't communicate it, so that's what I did.

Yet another reason could be the fight, probably in combination with the other factors. With all that in mind, pressure, whatever ailments was there, whatever issues we have no knowledge of, perhaps the only person he truly reached out to was her, not to say he didn't have any other friends, but putting all your stakes on a single person, staking your very being on that person, it can seem very logical at times, and it's very easy to do. Getting into a fight with such a person could easily be the proverbial final haystack that broke the camel's back.


Also, I know this should be common sense, but don't listen to the insensitive assholes who don't know what they're talking about. I wish there was some way I could make people stop speaking out about things they have absolutely no idea about, especially in insensitive and rude ways, but unfortunately there isn't.


I know I sound a bit cold when I write this, but I'm trying to make an impartial assesment of the situation, to answer your question. My condolences to your girlfriend, you, and his family. I hope I've given you something to think about, I know blaming him, calling him stupid for taking his life is easy, and probably feels pretty good, but unless we understand these things, it will happen again, maybe not to you or anyone close to you again, if you're lucky, but people like some of the fuckjobs in this thread are causing a lot more problems than they could ever imagine with attitudes like the one's they have, even if it is just an act on the internet.
Finally, someone in this thread who has some idea of what the fuck they're talking about.
Yeah, a breath of wisdom and insight amidst a not as intelligent as usual conversation.
 

Littlee300

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Maybe the kid thought that killing himself he would be able to rest and get away from life, probably. He killed himself just to get girl scarred for life I bet, shoot yourself to get back at someone sounds like stupidest idea ever. Also if your spoiled enough it is hard to understand why life isn't perfect or way you want it and you blame people for it.
 

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ottenni said:
Cain_Zeros said:
Silver said:
Emotional instability, likely clinical depression, bipolar or a temporary chemical inbalance. It could be just a simple burnout (from being pressured by the lovely family into getting straight A's, living a perfectly happy life, and being perfect, etc). I really need more information to go on.

That someone has straight A's, or what you percieve from the outside as a good family means nothing. Grades don't prove or disprove intelligence, or disposition, it doesn't give us any information to go on. That you percieve his family life as good from the outside doesn't really mean anything either, what you would consider a good family, and what others would consider a good family is different, and your perceptions of it might differ from reality.

With that out of the way, it is rarely seen as the only solution, but often the only bearable one. Clinical depression is rough, it get's really bad. Bipolar is even worse. A burnout is similar, in ways. Often a sense of perspective is lost, and consequences get exaggerated. The slightest, smallest error, or thing that goes wrong can feel like the end of the world. I've experienced it myself, nothing seems to work, everything just piles up, and that tiny, small, little thing just gets you. It could be as simple as someone saying you're wrong. I had a teacher who got that, she was suffering from a burnout, and while recovering returned to school for a single class to see how it went. A student contradicted her, not in a harmful manner, or anything, but it was enough that she broke down into tears.

The attention argument put up by TheGreatCoolEnergy is a surprisingly valid one, for something put in such a ridiculous way, as well, but in an entirely different way, and for entirely different reasons than those presented, of course. With depression, or a burnout, or whatever, you usually realise you have a problem, that you need help. But it's not something that's easy to talk about. It's usually not a conscious motivation, it's just your body's defense mechanisms way of making sure someone will notice, someone who can take better care of you than you can. Sometimes those mechanisms backfire, and take it too far (sort of like with a fever, it's designed to kill whatever ails you, but your body will keep heating you up until you break). That's what happens in suicide cases. I've been there myself, both with an attempted suicide or three, and other actions I can't later explain. I once threw a chandelier through my bedroom window. I wasn't angry, or anything like that, it just made sense at the time. I really needed help, and I couldn't communicate it, so that's what I did.

Yet another reason could be the fight, probably in combination with the other factors. With all that in mind, pressure, whatever ailments was there, whatever issues we have no knowledge of, perhaps the only person he truly reached out to was her, not to say he didn't have any other friends, but putting all your stakes on a single person, staking your very being on that person, it can seem very logical at times, and it's very easy to do. Getting into a fight with such a person could easily be the proverbial final haystack that broke the camel's back.


Also, I know this should be common sense, but don't listen to the insensitive assholes who don't know what they're talking about. I wish there was some way I could make people stop speaking out about things they have absolutely no idea about, especially in insensitive and rude ways, but unfortunately there isn't.


I know I sound a bit cold when I write this, but I'm trying to make an impartial assesment of the situation, to answer your question. My condolences to your girlfriend, you, and his family. I hope I've given you something to think about, I know blaming him, calling him stupid for taking his life is easy, and probably feels pretty good, but unless we understand these things, it will happen again, maybe not to you or anyone close to you again, if you're lucky, but people like some of the fuckjobs in this thread are causing a lot more problems than they could ever imagine with attitudes like the one's they have, even if it is just an act on the internet.
Finally, someone in this thread who has some idea of what the fuck they're talking about.
Yeah, a breath of wisdom and insight amidst a not as intelligent as usual conversation.
Yeah, quite possibly (haven't been diagnosed) struggling with clinical depression myself it's nice to see that someone's aware that there's a huge difference between it and being a whiny little attention-whoring shit. And it's also nice to see that someone's smart enough to realize that just because things seem OK doesn't mean they are. People with clinical depression often don't let anyone see what's going on. There could be a number of reasons for this. Me, I didn't want to burden anyone with the issues of someone so pathetic and worthless. I'm not quite so bad now, I've realized that there are people who care about me and want to help, and that I should let them. But some people never get to the point I have. And I'm not completely better by any means. You never really are with this sort of thing.
 

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if you dont get why people would do it, than you have obviouly never been in a situation for it, or you just have a strong mind.
 

Littlee300

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Lullabye said:
firedfns13 said:
Lullabye said:
As far as im concerned, we dont need people like that. They are unstable and obviously give into their emotions. My friend killed himself too jsyk. It saddened me too, but then I realised what kinda person he was and stopped caring. Get over it, people will die.
That's pretty fuckin' cold. You might have factored into his decision.
I know, isnt it great? I kinda dislike people so I'm amused when stuff like this happens.
So you kinda chose sides to hate humanity. When someone got hurt score 1 for you? I don't see why you would choose to hate humanity since your a human and forced to accept them. Also you seem act like everyone is evil so they deserve it.
 

ottenni

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Cain_Zeros said:
Yeah, quite possibly (haven't been diagnosed) struggling with clinical depression myself it's nice to see that someone's aware that there's a huge difference between it and being a whiny little attention-whoring shit. And it's also nice to see that someone's smart enough to realize that just because things seem OK doesn't mean they are. People with clinical depression often don't let anyone see what's going on. There could be a number of reasons for this. Me, I didn't want to burden anyone with the issues of someone so pathetic and worthless. I'm not quite so bad now, I've realized that there are people who care about me and want to help, and that I should let them. But some people never get to the point I have. And I'm not completely better by any means. You never really are with this sort of thing.
There really is a difference between clinical depression and the attention seeking side of things. And its sad when people cant seem to be able to tell the difference. And on a side note i have just recently seen a friend who has battling some serious stuff over the last 8 years (and shes 18 btw) come out out of it and its incredible.
 

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pete240 said:
he's a sinner and he's going to hell! LOL!
Whoa,whoa, whoa how can you laugh at a life of eternal punishment. (since that what hell is)
That is worst then death, I can see why you can not care about this kid for suiciding, but sheesh what your laughing at is horrible.
Die 10 times > hell

Edit: Realized this was just a troll, so oh well.