I don't understand griefing
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You really could have used to be more specific here. Griefing in what sort of games?Evil Smurf said:
Most MMOs have a griefing system in place, more over they also have PvE servers. I love griefing, I like being griefed; it's fun, unpredictable, chaotic, it's why I play multiplayer games. It's another element to always consider.
I suppose I could elaborate somewhat. I hate arena PvP in games, it bores me. I find it sterile and rigid. I've always favored world PvP. So why grief? Several reason;
- Sometimes I do it so the players I'm griefing will call for assistance from higher level friends.
- Sometimes I'm one of the players that come to the aid of players being griefed, when I chase off the griefers in the area, I'll start griefing to shift the tides.
- I like being ganged on. In most games it's usually possible for several lower levels to kill a higher level. Being mobbed like this actually provides for a fast paced, frenzied battle the likes of which you can't get elsewhere.
- I grief because I was griefed. Wouldn't say I'm bitter about it per sey, I just recognize that's the way the world works.
- I find that being griefed motivates me. There have been games where I was PK'ed over and over, for a matter of hours, and it was unavoidable, that is to say I couldn't go elsewhere, sneak by, etc. This makes the game seem more lively to me.
- I've never cared for story in MMOs, to me the real villain is the other side, everything else exists simply to make me more powerful to fight them.
Outside of MMOs what griefing refers to is tricky, being a person who plays MMOs frequently I consider griefing and trolling two very different things. That being said;
Why do people TK in shooters? Couldn't say, never really gave me any satisfaction. This is pretty clear trolling. I do however have a friend that would panzer suicide in FPSes, destroying himself, his allies, and enemies. Come the end of the game he's usually ranked top on the team, the people getting blown up don't really see he's sacrificing 3 of us for 7 of them.
Why do people "grief" in Minecraft... well, I've never done it myself, but I've had it happen to me several times. Sometimes it's just irritating. Other's I've found it downright hilarious (even when it was my creations being destroyed). Some griefers here are far more creative than others, have to give them their due I suppose.
Now perhaps you could answer a question for me, why do players that know they get upset being griefed play games that allow it? Most MMOs offer a PvE option; unless PvP is at the core of its gameplay (e.g. 2moons), in which case play something else? Practically every shooter that allows friendly-fire also has an option to turn it off, so why join a server that has it enabled? Minecraft... well... yeah, not sure here.
I can't stand people who make a conscious choice between PvE and PvP, and then ***** and moan because they've got killed by another player. They act as if someone is going to show up at their house and wrestle their Man-card from their wallet if they roll on PvE.
It comes down to the difference between PvP,PvE, and RP from popular MMO's. Everyone has a unique definition of what they consider a 'fun' activity, and those outside of that definition defy our comprehension. I cannot for the life of me fathom why 'pwning noobs' in an mmo is so appealing, but many enjoy it, just as many people cannot fathom why roleplaying my character as an actor in a movie would their character is so much fun for myself. Or for a more recent and relevant example, why I would spend hours of my free time rebuilding J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth in Minecraft.
And that's what it all comes down to, griefers find their activities fun, and so they partake in them because they derive their fun from the frustration and agony they cause. Just as I derive my fun from the feeling of satisfaction when I complete a three day project to build a tower for Annuminas.
And that's what it all comes down to, griefers find their activities fun, and so they partake in them because they derive their fun from the frustration and agony they cause. Just as I derive my fun from the feeling of satisfaction when I complete a three day project to build a tower for Annuminas.
There's this little internet platforming game called Everybody Edits, the main gimmick of which is that it rests entirely on player-created levels. Personally, I found it really annoying, but that's another story.
Usually, the reward for completing a level is gaining the code that allows you to edit the level, which usually results in the level being completely ruined as the person vengefully gets payback on the level that wasted countless minutes of his life.
A friend of mine is pretty good at using Cheat Engine. What he'd usually do with it is teleport to the end of the level, and see the code (usually written in black blocks so as not to appear on the minimap). Then he'd give himself editing privileges and write the code in highly visible blocks, and watch as everyone doing the level suddenly became god and tore the level to pieces, while me and him watched. Why was it hilarious? I have no idea, but it definitely was.
Of course, more hilarious was when he discovered this little program called "Everybody Edits Animator". Combined with Cheat Engine, we suddenly realised how inexplicably hilarious it was to paste a giant trollface over other people's levels. What can I say? Perhaps it's because I've never really taken multiplayer games seriously, and usually react to being griefed by laughing heartily and then revenge-griefing my new enemy.
In summary: People grief because they find griefing funny.
Usually, the reward for completing a level is gaining the code that allows you to edit the level, which usually results in the level being completely ruined as the person vengefully gets payback on the level that wasted countless minutes of his life.
A friend of mine is pretty good at using Cheat Engine. What he'd usually do with it is teleport to the end of the level, and see the code (usually written in black blocks so as not to appear on the minimap). Then he'd give himself editing privileges and write the code in highly visible blocks, and watch as everyone doing the level suddenly became god and tore the level to pieces, while me and him watched. Why was it hilarious? I have no idea, but it definitely was.
Of course, more hilarious was when he discovered this little program called "Everybody Edits Animator". Combined with Cheat Engine, we suddenly realised how inexplicably hilarious it was to paste a giant trollface over other people's levels. What can I say? Perhaps it's because I've never really taken multiplayer games seriously, and usually react to being griefed by laughing heartily and then revenge-griefing my new enemy.
In summary: People grief because they find griefing funny.
salinv said:
I find that hardcore griefing can take a spill right into sadism pretty easily. And I'd argue that that causing others misfortune for your enjoyment is miles worse than just laughing at it happen naturally.
So yeah I agree I just think they're even scummier than you stated. Keeps me straight the hell out of multiplayer games if possible and soloing in mmo's as much as possible.
That's a bit different because Basketballs cost money. If someone, friend or stranger, came and destroyed your basketball, they damaged your property and owe you compensation.CrossLOPER said:
Griefing doesn't force you to stop playing the game completely until you buy a new copy.
Yes, it is just a game. Greifing is also very avoidable. It's as easy as leaving the room or ignoring the person.
I suspect that you don't understand griefing because you are a nice person who doesn't enjoy human suffering.
I'd wager that people enjoy it for the same reason that people enjoy pulling the wings off flys and throwing stones at dogs. Because they aren't such nice people.
I'd wager that people enjoy it for the same reason that people enjoy pulling the wings off flys and throwing stones at dogs. Because they aren't such nice people.
Yet when you go out of your way to ruin the fun of someone else, you're acting like a typical 13 year old. Weird.imahobbit4062 said:
OT: For me, it isn't about the game being ruined. I can mute annoying kids and I can find a new lobby. Me leaving isn't a "rage quit", it's me being smarter than you.
It's about my time being wasted. Between working 2 jobs every day, I get only a few hours of free time after work and before bed. I like to come home from a long days work and relax with one of my favorite activities. What I don't need is some unemployed teenager trying to waste my time.
And the "you take the game too seriously" excuse is pathetic. Some people just need to grow up.
Well, you see, there are people who are so useless, whose existence is so pointless, that the only way they can make themselves feel like they matter at all is to disrupt the happiness of others. Up until recently, the activities of these people was constrained to their own physical location, and restrained by the chance that someone near them would punch them in the face. The Internet has removed these limitations.
At least, until I perfect the technology that allows you to punch someone in the face over the Internet.
At least, until I perfect the technology that allows you to punch someone in the face over the Internet.
You don't have to understand it, you just have to ignore it.
Generally, though, people hate and love antagonizing each other. The internet is different because there's no consequences for it.
Generally, though, people hate and love antagonizing each other. The internet is different because there's no consequences for it.
That's not 'griefing', that's 'fucking around'.Cowabungaa said:
Somehow I doubt the targets will agree with you. It's usually like that with griefing.Sansha said:
There's two types of people who grief, those who have been playing a multplayer game for a long time, got bored and instead of simply quitting playing like sane people, decide the only entertainment they can get out of playing that game anymore is to laugh at pissing people off. The other are simply people that are just as much pricks in real life as they are in video games.Evil Smurf said:
So in short, it's all about douchbaggery.
