I hate youtube for this... (fellow metalheads/TRUE rockers, you know what im talking about)

[Captain Bobbossa]

No, I'm not upset at all by this. They have no idea what they're talking about, and that's fine. If they haven't figured it out by now, they never will.

What I get more enraged about are the metalheads who think that metal is the most difficult and demanding genre of music to play. It's not, and I'm tired of hearing it. Lots of shit is hard, not just metal. I hate it when they discount all other music because it's "for fags".

Yes some of us do do this, but there is a point to it if you scrape away the ignorance.

1) Pop music.... crazy frog got to number 1. I don't really need to say much more about how it's all processed bullshit that's specifically desighned to make money from the idiot masses.

2) Dance, trance, electronic etc. why does it have so many genres for 1 song played over and over again by countless artists? I'm guessing that all these DJ's have just cotened on to a quick way of making money from the masses without acctually doing any work other than pretending to do so.

3) Just out of curiosity what would you class as the most technical form of music?

Now I'm not targeting you specifically I'm just saying that although there are adoloescant metalheads out there filled with rage and will instantly call all other music shit because there's no skill involved at all. They are wrong in some ways but there is a point to it. That point being that there is some music that really is just desighned to make money and be of as little quality as possible.

 

[x0ny]

Not raged at all. Just remember this is one of the only few intelligent places on the Internet, and we understand most things unlike most other people. Just let them be ignorant.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." - Socrates
"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespear

OT: I think you're overreacting, but then, you're still young, you will eventually understand. What I'm disappointed about is that the pop artists you mentioned don't write their own songs, I'd have more respect for them if they did. Also if they didn't use studio magic to make their vocals pitch perfect, and overdubbing vocals, I hate that, it's a cheap shot to make the voice more powerful.

 

[Estocavio]

Doesnt bother me - You dislike the fact that they generalise your preferred music; Other likers of your music dislike their music and generalise it; Its just a circle of complaining. The winning move is not to play.

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

Nickelback is pop rock, and if I'm not mistaken

Sorry to nitpick but you are severly mistaken. I don't know where people get this nickback are poprock idea but it's complete bolloks. Check out animals, something in your mouth (beast of a tune) and burn it to the ground. That whole thing with Rockstar not really nickleback's fault.

 

[Cartman2nd]

I rage when people call AC/DC emo, whilst at the same time listening to One Republic.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

-snip-

Big thing here: You just did exactly what annoys the OP. Screamo and Metal are two completely different genres, not subgenres from the same group. Screamo refers to a specific subgenre of hardcore punk, Metal is a genre on its own, which itself has quite a number of subgenres -- none of which can be called screamo. Also, Nickelback and Daughtry are most definitely not metal. Nickelback is pop rock, and if I'm not mistaken, Daughtry is some form of country or another. I hadn't heard of Billy Talent before this, but after listening to a couple of songs, I would barely classify them as Hard Rock, and they're certainly not metal. Most of the stuff I heard sounds more like some form of alt rock to me. As for Alexis On Fire, again, not metal. maybe metalcore, but that's another a branch of hardcore, not metal.

I don't really know emo, so I can't entirely comment on whether or not Fallout Boy or MCR actually classify as emo, but I've heard a few of Fallout Boy's songs, and I'm tempted to put them in the pop punk category. Considering that emo is a form of punk, and they are definitely a popular radio group, that label may stick regardless. Black Veil Brides I had never heard of, but again, a quick listen puts them firmly in the metalcore category. I actually like what I heard, they're pretty good for metalcore, but still not really metal. Overall, I'm pretty dissapointed with your genre knowledge -- I would expect more out of an Opeth fan. You might want to learn the overarching genres before you tell other people to hold off on subgenre classifications.

Actually, while you were picking through my post you proved my point fairly nicely: fussing over genres and subgenres causes fans to turn on each other.

I really don't care about genres and subgenres, because honestly they aren't all that important. Especially when bands can have different genres between albums and even between songs. What's the point in making a big deal out of it? Everyone is making their own thing these days, and since a lot of bands are calling themselves a mix of genres (or adding 'core' to the end of something to indicate a punk influence) there isn't any point.

Yes, I know that screamo is derived from hardcore punk. BUT, most people that say "metal is just screamo" don't. They're not saying the genres are the same, they're just using screamo as an adjective to describe the style of vocals (which I'm guilty of doing on occasion).

And another thing: emo is less of a genre of music, and more of an umbrella term encompassing the style of dress and subject matter of the songs those bands produce. Bands like MCR and Black Veil Brides may not sound anything like each other, but the themes of their music and the way they choose to dress associate them with emos.

[small]And I'm not an Opeth fan, I don't know where you picked the out from. And I don't know how that would automatically hold me to a higher standard for arbitrary-genre-subgenre-knowledge.[/small]

For that last point, read my edit -- I'm tired, and Children of Bodom registered as Opeth for some reason. As for why being an Opeth fan would put you on a higher standard as far as genre knowledge goes, the kind of metal heads who listen to Opeth are usually the kind who really get into the genre, can instantly tell the difference between metal and the harder forms of punk, and can usually get pretty close to the subgenre of a given metal group just by listening a little bit.

As far as arguing that genres are pointless, I really hate that argument. Genres have quite a bit of use in finding music that one would be interested in. For example, lets say you come across a song by Helloween, you like it, and you want more stuff in the same vein. If you know that their genre is metal, and their subgenre is power metal, you can easily find quite a number of bands that are similar in style. The genre/subgenre system is a tool to help people who actually care about music find music that they like, not a dividing line that exists to confuse people who don't care. For the most part, if a person truly doesn't care for genres, they probably don't care enough about music to go digging for the good stuff anyway. The labels aren't for them.

[sub]and if you want to get into it, screamo as a term for the vocal style is wrong for metal anyway -- screamo screams and metal screams are made in a very different manner, and sound quite different as a result[/sub]

 

[BelfastSpartan]

I would get mad but I really don't give a rats ass!

I'd get mad if someone stole my stuff, hit my car, killed my dog, hurt someone close to me...........but lumping my 'favourite' music genre with other music genres I don't like doesn't cut it on my list of things to be angry about!

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

....Ska isn't dead....

It ain't dead; it's just been silenced indefinitely.

Ska will NEVER die. EVER.

*massive Streetlight Manifesto fan who will kill you if you suggest they are dead.*

Not dead, just taciturn, reticent, and a little addled.

......dead

 

[God's Clown]

You know what real men listen to? Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Chopin, and others like them. Screw all your metal and rock and rap.

Though I like metal and rock and rap, but screw it none the less!

 

[ilspooner]

Ugh. I don't understand why anyone would get pissed off about such a thing. Is it really that bad that people mix up the genres of bands? I mean, how dare they not know the difference, i'm gonna yell about it now.

 

[Mordwyl]

All that needs to be said, really.

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

As for why being an Opeth fan would put you on a higher standard as far as genre knowledge goes, the kind of metal heads who listen to Opeth are usually the kind who really get into the genre,

What metalheads do you know? The kind that listen to Opeth are the kind that smoke pot all day and listen to music that is incredibly technical but not acctually good songwise.

"How can you not like this song its in the key of B123124348295723948273492842 flat and goes through 6 bagillion differant time signatures ?"

"Bescause that doesn't make it sound good."

Esentially the musical equivalent of someone who goes to modern art galleries.

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

You know what real men listen to? Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Chopin, and others like them. Screw all your metal and rock and rap.

Though I like metal and rock and rap, but screw it none the less!

Your avatar is headbanging in time with my music.d

 

[God's Clown]

You know what real men listen to? Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Chopin, and others like them. Screw all your metal and rock and rap.

Though I like metal and rock and rap, but screw it none the less!

Your avatar is headbanging in time with my music.d

My avatar controls the universe, so that doesn't surprise me.

 

[fullbleed]

ACTUALLY GRINDCORE! THERE'S A HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE PEOPLE! IN TERMS OF SKILL REQUIRED AND STYLE! DON'T YOU EVER MIX GRINDCORE AND DEATH METAL UP WITH PUSSY BULLSHIT LIKE FALLOUT BOY OR MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE OR AFI!

/rant

OH MY GOD I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AT ALL BETWEEN GRINDCORE OR SCREAM! THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME IF I DON'T KNOW EVERYSINGLE OBSCURE METAL SUBGENRE. *Capslock off*

Get over yourself, do I get that pissy if someone incorrectly lables Electronic or Trip Hop or Chiptune/8 bit music?

Oh and as someone who does like pop music ofcourse I know that there is far more to rock music than just screaming, way to generalise.

 

[AvsJoe]

You know what real men listen to? Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Chopin, and others like them.

There's an avatar I haven't seen in a while. Where've you been, man?

....Ska isn't dead....

It ain't dead; it's just been silenced indefinitely.

Ska will NEVER die. EVER.

*massive Streetlight Manifesto fan who will kill you if you suggest they are dead.*

Not dead, just taciturn, reticent, and a little addled.

......dead

Not dead. kman123 proves there's still a heartbeat. Asleep, maybe? In shock? Had its vocal cords removed?

 

[ShaFe123]

do you, fellow metalheads and even just people who appreciate music that requires SKILL to play (like classic rock such as The Who and ZZ Top), hate that our music is ALL being pidgeon-holed by youtube as "screamo"?

seriously, you ask anyone who's into pop music about what they think of rock and they'll say "it's just people screaming."

on a scale of 1-10, how high is your rage over this? im seriously at 11 right now, pushing 12 because the youtube generation is growing up thinking anything that's not processed bullshit like anything on Wild 94.9 or that isn't Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber is simply Emo/Screamo crap.

Off-topic: yeah, i know i have another thread here, but my rage at this was just provoked when i saw a video that said "Miley Cirus Screamo Version" or something like that and i listened to it and it was ACTUALLY GRINDCORE! THERE'S A HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE PEOPLE! IN TERMS OF SKILL REQUIRED AND STYLE! DON'T YOU EVER MIX GRINDCORE AND DEATH METAL UP WITH PUSSY BULLSHIT LIKE FALLOUT BOY OR MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE OR AFI!

/rant

I appreciate all music that requires skill to play. As such, I have a definite appreciation of pop. And, in my experience, people know very well that not all rock is "just people screaming."

In fact, I've never had somebody tell me that in my entire life. Not once.

In addition, I love how you stereotype all emo and screamo as "crap" when it is equally valid, just as valid as metal. How dare you claim the moral high ground when your argument reeks of hypocrisy? In case you hadn't realized, you are the problem. Not anyone else, but you. You are ruining good things for the rest of us. You are holding back your preferred style of music through your terrible attitude. Please rethink your behavior. It is not appropriate.

my attitude is just as valid as appropriate who claim metal and rock is all just screaming people you can't understand

what im really pissed about is how metal and rock are being pigeonholed as "Emo/Screamo" when they're entirely different things, and i dont see how people screaming about how life sucks (when you're a multi-millionaire like most Emo/Screamo performers are)

dont go off and tell me that I am the problem with Rock and Metal being confused with people screaming about how their lives suck when they have a zillion dollars and a million groupies at their beck and call. you obviously missed the point of this thread, which was me being angry that most young people i speak to think Rock (even stuff like AC/DC and Foghat) is all people screaming so you can't hear them. your argument, therefore, is not valid.

I hate people who love genre x, and believe that anyone else who doesn't appreciate genre x as much as they do has no taste in music and deserves to drown in a pot of boiling water.

Seriously. I love Loreena Mckennitt and Enter the Haggis, but I don't stuff it down the throat of any wannabe Eminem or Lil Wayne; as much as I despise those two artists and their respective genres. And though I think low of those genres, I try to do my best to not think lower of someone else if they think highly of them.

It's all a matter of opinions and taste. Get over it. If you don't like a certain kind of music, don't listen to it. It's that simple.

i dont want to shove my music on anyone else, i just dont want my music to be confused with other genres is what i was trying to say (if you look through all the "caps locks" you can see that)

"what im really pissed about is how metal and rock are being pigeonholed as "Emo/Screamo" when they're entirely different things, and i dont see how people screaming about how life sucks (when you're a multi-millionaire like most Emo/Screamo performers are)


dont go off and tell me that I am the problem with Rock and Metal being confused with people screaming about how their lives suck when they have a zillion dollars and a million groupies at their beck and call. you obviously missed the point of this thread, which was me being angry that most young people i speak to think Rock (even stuff like AC/DC and Foghat) is all people screaming so you can't hear them. your argument, therefore, is not valid."


I don't think you have a single clue.
Your the problem in the way you a CARRYING ON STUPID, about a silly topic if you sat back and thought about it for a second, just took a deep breath, you would feel so much better.


I personally listen to anything that sounds good.
That includes metal, i prefer over other genres BUT i listen to anything.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

As for why being an Opeth fan would put you on a higher standard as far as genre knowledge goes, the kind of metal heads who listen to Opeth are usually the kind who really get into the genre,

What metalheads do you know? The kind that listen to Opeth are the kind that smoke pot all day and listen to music that is incredibly technical but not acctually good songwise.

"How can you not like this song its in the key of B123124348295723948273492842 flat and goes through 6 bagillion differant time signatures ?"

"Bescause that doesn't make it sound good."

Esentially the musical equivalent of someone who goes to modern art galleries.

I'm going to follow up your question with another one: What kind of potheads do you know? Because I've never met a pothead who was into Opeth. Granted, I knew a pothead in highschool who was an excellent classical Pianist and knew his theory, but even he wasn't into metal.

Also, that hurts. I like both prog rock and prog metal [sub]and no, I'm not a pothead -- just a music geek. I'm going to school to be a teacher here, I can't even drink underage without fear of losing all hope of future employment.[/sub]

 

[Harlemura]

I think I'm probably in the negatives on the scale. I never listen to metal, so it all sounds pretty similar to me.
I'm not saying it's bad, just saying the very few bits I've heard can be hard to distinguish.

 

[Ickorus]

Just Kidding, i dont really care.

This.

I think most metal is shit anyway.